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Harry's Stats plus Assorted Other Stat Revisions (Small Favor through Cold Days)
Locnil:
Seems to me there's actually a difference between "mortal" and "has free will", but oh well.
Deadmanwalking:
--- Quote from: Locnil on January 10, 2013, 03:25:50 PM ---Seems to me there's actually a difference between "mortal" and "has free will", but oh well.
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There totally is. But it seems unlikely to be a distinction Corpsetaker would care about if there were power at stake (as is demonstrated by her negative Refesh). I mean, the Darkhallow wasn't going to leave it's user mortal, yet she went for that.
Sanctaphrax:
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on January 10, 2013, 09:31:36 AM ---When taking someone out via Thaumaturgy as a means of transforming them, you can shift their skills around. I see no reason this wouldn't apply to yourself as well, and it's clearly what she was doing.
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I dunno whether that's possible, but if it is the extra effect should certainly cost extra.
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on January 10, 2013, 09:31:36 AM ---I don't think so. She gave no indication of keeping memories or any such thing.
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We've seen very little of her. So that's not too meaningful.
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on January 10, 2013, 09:31:36 AM ---Would you argue that Biomancy couldn't swap two people's appearances perfectly?
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I would argue that it couldn't swap to people's appearances perfectly for 3 shifts.
What you're doing here would allow 3-shift body-swaps.
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on January 10, 2013, 09:31:36 AM ---Doing body-swaps on Supernaturals is a trickier issue...possibly impossible (or impossible without losing your magic, which is what I'd go with), or Capirocorpus likely would've been walking around in some sort of superhuman monster, not a young human girl.
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If you're giving yourself Powers through body-snatching, you need to pay for those Powers. That ought to cover the necessary difficulty difference.
Deadmanwalking:
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on January 10, 2013, 11:24:24 PM ---I dunno whether that's possible, but if it is the extra effect should certainly cost extra.
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Sure, I'd be perfectly willing to charge a Fate Point (or Tag, if allowing that sort of thing) per skill swapped (which, at only Might and Endurance at most is only 2 FP), and say that, barring milestone enhancements or consequences, any changes wear off over time (say, one adventure or so) as your habits of exercise probably have more to do with that than your body per se.
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on January 10, 2013, 11:24:24 PM ---We've seen very little of her. So that's not too meaningful.
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True enough, just saying.
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on January 10, 2013, 11:24:24 PM ---I would argue that it couldn't swap to people's appearances perfectly for 3 shifts.
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Yeah, I'm cool with that. Well, I'm cool with 4-5 shifts for it, anyway, which is gonna be more common. Actually, thinking on it, 6-7 or maybe 8-10 depending on how you rule doing it to two people. 5's the real absolute minimum (3+Zone). It's really not that useful an effect, all things considered. It lets you look different...and that's it.
It's also Lawbreaking, most times, though there are ways around that, I suppose.
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on January 10, 2013, 11:24:24 PM ---What you're doing here would allow 3-shift body-swaps.
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Only if they have crap mental stress, and as discussed above. But yeah, basically. It's Lawbreaking, but beyond that, I see no reason for it to be difficult. It's not particularly advantageous, after all. Really no more than looking like another person, which is pretty easy.
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on January 10, 2013, 11:24:24 PM ---If you're giving yourself Powers through body-snatching, you need to pay for those Powers. That ought to cover the necessary difficulty difference.
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That works for PCs who wish to keep free will. It doesn't explain why already negative Refresh people like the Corpsetaker won't do it.
Sanctaphrax:
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on January 11, 2013, 12:10:35 AM ---Yeah, I'm cool with that. Well, I'm cool with 4-5 shifts for it, anyway, which is gonna be more common. Actually, thinking on it, 6-7 or maybe 8-10 depending on how you rule doing it to two people. 5's the real absolute minimum (3+Zone). It's really not that useful an effect, all things considered. It lets you look different...and that's it.
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Looking like other people, with a built-in limitation, is a 2 Refresh Power. It's a reasonably big deal.
And for what it's worth, transformations normally require enough shifts to fill a consequence slot that's roughly equal in magnitude to the effect. This is clearly an Extreme-level effect, so I think you should add 8 to the required take-out margin. More if the victim has other consequences to resist with.
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on January 11, 2013, 12:10:35 AM ---That works for PCs who wish to keep free will. It doesn't explain why already negative Refresh people like the Corpsetaker won't do it.
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Sorry, that was poorly explained.
I meant she'd have to pay the ritual shifts that'd be needed to grant permission to buy those Powers permanently. Which is probably quite a lot.
There isn't much in the way of real rules for buying Powers, but it's clear that Grevane or whoever can't just buy 100 Refinements. Even if it wouldn't meaningfully effect his Refresh total.
You need some kind of narrative permission to buy Powers. Like a big ritual that changes your nature fundamentally, or lots of hard training.
I was suggesting that the costs of a "permission to buy Powers" ritual ought to be included in the cost of snatching a Powered body. Not for balance reasons, just because it shapes the setting in a good way.
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