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Harry's Stats plus Assorted Other Stat Revisions (Small Favor through Cold Days)
Sanctaphrax:
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on December 18, 2012, 01:46:40 AM ---In general, I'm not against Self-Sponsored Magic or something like it (Kemmlerian Necromancy is basically this)...but I think adding it to the Senior council is premature. We haven't ever seen them use it, and (based on some stuff Jim Butcher said) I'm not at all sure most of them don't have some sort of actual sponsored magic...so I'm withholding judgement until we know.
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You already gave the Gatekeeper most of Superior Worldwalking. And Listens-To-Wind has used biomancy-as-evocation on screen. And Luccio's Warden Sword-making clearly involves something like this, mechanically speaking.
So at least some of the Senior Council clearly has these abilities or something similar. Maybe also real Sponsored Magic, they're not incompatible.
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on December 18, 2012, 01:46:40 AM ---On the PS: Keep reading. I note changes without necessarily removing previous notes. It's at the bottom why I switched her element.
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I see. My apologies. Is she really a diviner?
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on December 18, 2012, 01:46:40 AM ---On the PPS: I don't necessarily agree, at least on Initiative. And his defensive item's pretty good...though I suppose it could be better. Alright, upgraded item will occur momentarily.
EDIT: And there, vastly beefed up defensive item. which, IMO, make initiative unnecessary to some degree.
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A big item does help with the initiative thing. But going first is still extremely powerful when wizards fight each other.
Deadmanwalking:
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on December 19, 2012, 06:47:17 AM ---You already gave the Gatekeeper most of Superior Worldwalking. And Listens-To-Wind has used biomancy-as-evocation on screen. And Luccio's Warden Sword-making clearly involves something like this, mechanically speaking.
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Luccio's sword-making follows all the standard item creation rules as far as I can see (especially my revised version of her stats and the swords), and Listens-to-Wind has shown the ability to shapeshift during combat...which is a bit different from Evocation-speed Biomancy in general. And I already gave him a power for that. Ditto the Gatekeeper and Worldwalking.
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on December 19, 2012, 06:47:17 AM ---So at least some of the Senior Council clearly has these abilities or something similar. Maybe also real Sponsored Magic, they're not incompatible.
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True...I'm just leery of giving them too much stuff that might be completely wrong in kind as well as details and magnitude. Call it an aesthetic preference.
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on December 19, 2012, 06:47:17 AM ---I see. My apologies. Is she really a diviner?
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No problem. And apparently, Jim says so. So I believe him. Also, it makes a whole bunch of sense if you read her introductory scene in Summer Knight.
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on December 19, 2012, 06:47:17 AM ---A big item does help with the initiative thing. But going first is still extremely powerful when wizards fight each other.
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True, but that assumes he's fighting fair. Man's an assassin after all...
narphoenix:
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on December 19, 2012, 07:40:50 AM ---True, but that assumes he's fighting fair. Man's an assassin after all...
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Plus, he's in the Dresden verse. Fighting fair = being dead.
Sanctaphrax:
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on December 19, 2012, 07:40:50 AM ---Luccio's sword-making follows all the standard item creation rules as far as I can see (especially my revised version of her stats and the swords), and Listens-to-Wind has shown the ability to shapeshift during combat...which is a bit different from Evocation-speed Biomancy in general. And I already gave him a power for that. Ditto the Gatekeeper and Worldwalking.
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The Warden Sword has two Powers, instead of one. Not normally possible.
Also, if Luccio does not have some kind of special ability than anybody could make a Warden sword. Which is not so.
Also it lets you use somebody else's Lore + strength specializations, which may or may not be possible normally. But for some reason it doesn't give you access to Luccio's frequency specializations. Unless the idea is that Luccio has Lore 6 and no specializations are carried over when the sword is given out? Hard to say.
Superior Worldwalking was created specifically because Worldwalker is not generally suitable for spellcasters (it says so in Your Story).
And if you can do extremely complex and powerful biomancy fast enough to have True Shapeshifting, I bet you can do minor biomancy even faster.
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on December 19, 2012, 07:32:35 AM ---True...I'm just leery of giving them too much stuff that might be completely wrong in kind as well as details and magnitude. Call it an aesthetic preference.
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Fair enough. But if Superior Worldwalking is wrong for Rashid then his writeup is already in error.
And Luccio and LtW have unusual abilities that demand some sort of representation.
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on December 19, 2012, 07:32:35 AM ---True, but that assumes he's fighting fair. Man's an assassin after all...
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And a brawler. He ought to be able to kill you any which way.
Deadmanwalking:
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on December 20, 2012, 06:18:59 AM ---The Warden Sword has two Powers, instead of one. Not normally possible.
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Well, sorta true. IMO, any item can be multiple 'items' built into a single physical housing (as long as the item's size isn't exceeded by the total number of item slots...I'm all for encouraging PCs to put more eggs in one basket)...but the normal version does indeed have that either/or thing. My version of Luccio, however can make a Warden's Sword at two Item Slots with each of those two abilities entirely separate and usable at Strength 6 3/session...bringing it back in line with the standard rules on items. At least as I'd interpret them.
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on December 20, 2012, 06:18:59 AM ---Also, if Luccio does not have some kind of special ability than anybody could make a Warden sword. Which is not so.
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She's a really good Crafter. End explanation of specific ability.
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on December 20, 2012, 06:18:59 AM ---Also it lets you use somebody else's Lore + strength specializations, which may or may not be possible normally. But for some reason it doesn't give you access to Luccio's frequency specializations. Unless the idea is that Luccio has Lore 6 and no specializations are carried over when the sword is given out? Hard to say.
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I strongly disagree that that's impossible. Anyone can make a magic item only usable by themselves at no cost break, or items usable to anyoneat only a slight reduction in effectiveness. Luccio makes items usable by one specific person who happens not to be her (but who must still adopt the item to make use of it). I see no reason why that's not a trick anyone can do given they can do the other two...most Wizards simply don't bother (it uses up some Item slots of yours for a while and takes time and effort).
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on December 20, 2012, 06:18:59 AM ---Superior Worldwalking was created specifically because Worldwalker is not generally suitable for spellcasters (it says so in Your Story).
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That's not quite what it says. It says spellcasters don't usually need this ability...but spellcasters don't usually need, say, Glamour either (they can Veil without it, after all). Doesn't mean they can't take it, or have uses for it. And all of its abilities (especially the +2 on Lore and Survival) seem spot on for Rashid (and Harry once he's got the gem from his mother). I'm much more comfortable giving them this than something homebrewed (and not notably more useful).
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on December 20, 2012, 06:18:59 AM ---And if you can do extremely complex and powerful biomancy fast enough to have True Shapeshifting, I bet you can do minor biomancy even faster.
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An interesting speculation, but not one necessarily borne out. Changing yourself is a lot easier and more intuitive than changing others (as people like the Alphas demonstrate)...meaning that self-shifting (which we know he does quick) does not necessarily equate to ability to pull off tricks effecting others with the same speed.
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on December 20, 2012, 06:18:59 AM ---Fair enough. But if Superior Worldwalking is wrong for Rashid then his writeup is already in error.
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Not necessarily. He has an existing power that there's no reason he can't have. Superior Worldwalking is another theoretical way to do the same thing...but I prefer to stick to the book when it's a choice between two appropriate things, one from the book and one not.
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on December 20, 2012, 06:18:59 AM ---And Luccio and LtW have unusual abilities that demand some sort of representation.
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I feel that my listed stats cover what we've seen of both of their capabilities.
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on December 20, 2012, 06:18:59 AM ---And a brawler. He ought to be able to kill you any which way.
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I feel that 12 shift evocations plus whatever the Blackstaff does cover this.
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