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Mouse Can Talk, Can Harry Hear?
« on: December 29, 2025, 04:33:47 AM »
In Changes, and subsequent stories, we learn Mouse is capable of communicating at a human intellect level. In the subsequent stories, we see that some humans can understand Mouse or other human level intellect canines (for example, Molly and the Alphas in Bombshells). When Harry is in dog form in Changes, Harry can understand Mouse:

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I eyed the dog and said, “You can talk. How come I never hear you talk?”
“Because you don’t know how to listen,” my godmother said simply.

Also in the first chapter of Changes, Harry seems to understand Mouse at that same intellectual level:

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“I . . .” I paused, trying to get my head around the concept. “I . . . I might have a child.”
Mouse made an uncertain, high-pitched noise.
“Yeah. How do you think I feel?” I stared at the far wall. Then I stood up and reached for my coat. “I . . . think I need a  drink,” I said. I nodded, focusing on nothing. “Yeah. Something like this . . . yeah.”
Mouse made a distressed noise and rose.
“Sure,” I told him. “You can come. Hell, maybe you can drive me home or something.”

Harry could have been just guessing at what Mouse meant by interpreting his body language and stuff. I personally think Harry was dissociating enough that he was in a state where he could "hear" Mouse like Molly does.

Do you think Harry capable of understanding Mouse? I doubt he will ever understand Mouse in the books because, as Jim said, Mouse knows too much. My question is whether he could if he worked on it.

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Re: Mouse Can Talk, Can Harry Hear?
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2025, 03:35:40 PM »
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Do you think Harry capable of understanding Mouse? I doubt he will ever understand Mouse in the books because, as Jim said, Mouse knows too much. My question is whether he could if he worked on it.

I would say, yes, but then we'd know too much.  Actually, and all of you who have a close relationship with your dogs know, a dog can communicate an awful lot to us. Sometimes I do believe they are telepathic, at the very least they are good listeners.

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Re: Mouse Can Talk, Can Harry Hear?
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2025, 07:11:16 PM »
In Changes, and subsequent stories, we learn Mouse is capable of communicating at a human intellect level. In the subsequent stories, we see that some humans can understand Mouse or other human level intellect canines (for example, Molly and the Alphas in Bombshells). When Harry is in dog form in Changes, Harry can understand Mouse:

Also in the first chapter of Changes, Harry seems to understand Mouse at that same intellectual level:

Harry could have been just guessing at what Mouse meant by interpreting his body language and stuff. I personally think Harry was dissociating enough that he was in a state where he could "hear" Mouse like Molly does.

Do you think Harry capable of understanding Mouse? I doubt he will ever understand Mouse in the books because, as Jim said, Mouse knows too much. My question is whether he could if he worked on it.

Harry has always talked aloud, to himself, as one of Jim's exposition techniques.

Dog-owners -- by and large -- talk to their dogs, in ways far beyond what dogs can comprehend; Jim used that as an expansion of Harry's own talk-aloud habit.

But it has been an ongoing theme of the stories that Harry has realized more and more that Mouse is far more intelligent than the average dog.  There's a scene in Turn Coat where Mouse gets shot (bullet didn't penetrate far) protecting Molly, and Harry uses it as a "teaching moment" to get Molly more aware of the potential consequences for her actions... and shortly thereafter, Harry realizes that Mouse was deliberately feigning a worse injury & more pain, playing to Harry's own lessons in perfect comprehension of what Harry was teaching, and how Harry was going about the lesson.

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Re: Mouse Can Talk, Can Harry Hear?
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2025, 09:05:53 PM »
Harry has always talked aloud, to himself, as one of Jim's exposition techniques.
I think with Mouse, Harry is more often actually giving Mouse the information or instructions than talking to himself.

Harry knows Mouse understands him by Changes. Harry's "conversation" with Mouse in Chapter One also feels different than his normal talking to himself or the usual descriptions of Harry interpreting Mouse's body language and expressions.

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Re: Mouse Can Talk, Can Harry Hear?
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Dog-owners -- by and large -- talk to their dogs, in ways far beyond what dogs can comprehend; Jim used that as an expansion of Harry's own talk-aloud habit.

 Dogs comprehend a lot more than you think, or the intelligent ones do.

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Re: Mouse Can Talk, Can Harry Hear?
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 11:34:49 PM »
Dogs comprehend a lot more than you think, or the intelligent ones do. 
As a lifelong dog owner & sometimes trainer & avid reader about dogs, I'm aware they are smarter than most give them credit for.

For those who *don't* know -- the "average" dog seems to have a comprehension vocabulary of just under 100 words.

Working dogs usually top 200 words.

Ultra-intelligent ones have been documented to over 1000 words -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaser_(dog)