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Re: Chapter 6 Drop
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2020, 05:56:10 AM »
Mab has given Harry a small part of her power.  I wonder if Lara taking a bite out of Harry would be like us trying to chew through ice.  We could do it for a while but our teeth would break eventually.

Interesting thought.

I tend to think not - IMO Lara would just get Harry's life force rather than Winter's power, and when Harry died, the Mantle would go back to Mab (or maybe Molly) to bestow on a new Knight.

I'm not sure if eating Winter power would necessarily be incompatible with/harmful to Whampires, but I think the Mantle has to be protected from things like that. There are too many things in the DV that feed on life energy in some way.

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Also look at what Molly did to poor Carlos.  I don't think Thomas would've come out of that much better.

That's a Lady-specific issue (because it is the Maiden aspect of the Maiden/Mother/Crone thing) -- the Knight mantles don't work like that.

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Re: Chapter 6 Drop
« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2020, 08:06:49 AM »
Molly's issue is definitely an issue unique to the ladys.  I totally agree.  I was just using that as an example of the mantles' having a defense mechanism.  I don't know.  I think you bring up an interesting idea.  The mantle might be immune from losing energy to a wampire, but the rest of Harry could be vulnerable.  The Knight mantle is definitely less important than Lady's mantle it might not have any built in defense.   
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Re: Chapter 6 Drop
« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2020, 10:17:50 AM »
In rescuing Thomas as a favour, it will be in accordance with the Mantle DESPITE Mab’s publicly professed position during the peace talks themselves. This is why Mab did it, she can manipulate everyone without telling a lie.

Remember that Luccio knows about Thomas, I think this is the major betrayal, she tells the Merlin and he sets up the situation where Harry and Eb have to throw down over Thomas. What neither Luccio or the Merlin know is that Eb is Harry and Thomas’ grandfather. Mab knows, she is engineering this confrontation to cause a split in the White Council, probably to get rid of Christos and the Merlin, making Eb the new Merlin or the formal creation of the Grey Council as a new supernatural nation under the Accords taking Eb, Harry, Listens To Wind(I can’t help thinking this is a Blazing Saddles joke by Jim) Martha Liberty the Paranet and all the young wardens with him, splitting off the new world from the old.

The tag team of Lara and Mab suggests this type of machination by Mab, remember she had her own daughter killed in a similar circuitous fashion, and destroyed Nicodemus in a similar indirect  fashion. I suspect one of the favours was Lara introducing Mab to Marcone prior to Skin Game as being interested in revenge on Nicodemus.

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Re: Chapter 6 Drop
« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2020, 02:16:32 PM »
Justine's protection seems to renew on a pretty regular, if not daily basis. That said, the number of relationships is probably small and I can see the Winter Mantle making it hard to gain protection. There's an element of supernatural coersion there that could qualify in the same way Luccio's coercion or Billy/Georgia's it can't be truw love while they're married to someone else thing. Harry is Mab's consort after all.

No, it doesn't, that was the point of her having same sex sex back in Ghost Story.  Any sex killed her protection so she could then have sex with Thomas.  The sex act with someone else kills the true love protection from the White Court.  My question is, one can fall in love more than once, is it always considered "true love?"

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Re: Chapter 6 Drop
« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2020, 02:31:54 PM »
That porn movie director from blood rites fell in love all the time. I do not think there are hard rules, some people have just more capacity for true love than others.
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Re: Chapter 6 Drop
« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2020, 02:51:20 PM »
No, it doesn't, that was the point of her having same sex sex back in Ghost Story.  Any sex killed her protection so she could then have sex with Thomas.  The sex act with someone else kills the true love protection from the White Court.  My question is, one can fall in love more than once, is it always considered "true love?"
Obviously not always given that Harry loved Luccio, even if she didn't love him.  (Though that's an interesting question, would Luccio have been protected?) but there's no reason to think you only get one True Love in your life.  Even if that other person is Murphy.

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Re: Chapter 6 Drop
« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2020, 04:23:34 PM »
For protection from the White Court, it is to love and be loved in return. Harry loved all the women he has been romantic with, not all of them loved him back. Michael and Charity would both be protected, Susan and Harry were, and Thomas and Justine are about the only couples we have seen who qualify.

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Re: Chapter 6 Drop
« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2020, 06:45:01 PM »
Obviously not always given that Harry loved Luccio, even if she didn't love him.  (Though that's an interesting question, would Luccio have been protected?) but there's no reason to think you only get one True Love in your life.  Even if that other person is Murphy.

Also does true love have to be a two way street?  I mean you could love someone with all your heart, a pure faithful love, without it being returned.  Does that count? 

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Re: Chapter 6 Drop
« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2020, 08:05:21 PM »
I understood that the couple needs to share True Love for protection to kick.

About the chapter itself:
I would not be surprised if Maggie was the one doing the fire. Magically, not a kitchen problem that would be probably easy to extinguish.
As Harry, I am wondering what Lara did to win 3 favors. Perhaps she did something to Fix, weakening Summer.
I found quite out of character for Mab to volunteer information about why Harry has a different color for his shield. We have been told many times that knowledge is power. Why gave it for free?
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Re: Chapter 6 Drop
« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2020, 08:29:36 PM »
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I would not be surprised if Maggie was the one doing the fire

Given that the Svartelves are magically powerful and they know Harry's reputation and Maggie's heritage, I don't think it would be a magical accident by Maggie that caused the fire.

In Zoo day Harry could feel the magic build up in [Kid's name] before he opened a way for creatures from the Never Never to enter. I would imagine that Etri's crew would be on the lookout for something like that from Maggie.

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Re: Chapter 6 Drop
« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2020, 09:09:23 PM »
I understood that the couple needs to share True Love for protection to kick.

About the chapter itself:
I would not be surprised if Maggie was the one doing the fire. Magically, not a kitchen problem that would be probably easy to extinguish.
As Harry, I am wondering what Lara did to win 3 favors. Perhaps she did something to Fix, weakening Summer.
I found quite out of character for Mab to volunteer information about why Harry has a different color for his shield. We have been told many times that knowledge is power. Why gave it for free?

Probably because it wasn't really worth much on it's own. Now, if Lara had followed that segue into asking what that entity was... that is far more valuable information.
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Re: Chapter 6 Drop
« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2020, 09:17:53 PM »
Molly's issue is definitely an issue unique to the ladys.  I totally agree.  I was just using that as an example of the mantles' having a defense mechanism.

Ah, ok. IMO, though, the difference is that the Mantle itself wouldn't be threatened by Harry becoming Whampire-chow.

There are various Winter Fae that feed on life force in some way - Leanansidhe uses blood, the phobophages from PG feed on fear in much the same way as House Malvora. The process isn't particularly foreign to the Winter Court.

I doubt the Mantle would treat it any differently than any other cause of death for the Knight.

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Re: Chapter 6 Drop
« Reply #42 on: July 09, 2020, 08:12:30 PM »
Probably because it wasn't really worth much on it's own. Now, if Lara had followed that segue into asking what that entity was... that is far more valuable information.
Most people in the books seem to be secretive-unless.

So Mab was definitely working an angle, though that angle could just be 'be good friends with a power that is on the rise, they make the best patsies'.

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Re: Chapter 6 Drop
« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2020, 09:47:09 PM »
I wonder if the favor the White Court did for Mab was depositing money into Marcone's bank.  Mab and Marcone needed people to start depositing into the bank so it would be close enough in idea to use as an entry point into Hades' vault in the never never.

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Re: Chapter 6 Drop
« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2020, 10:16:06 PM »
No it’s information, knowledge Mab doesn’t have, she is not an Intellectus.
It would have to be knowledge Lara has which is useful to Mab and which Lara knows or may be presumed to know in the books. It could be

1. The information about Harry and Thomas being brothers, giving Mab that lever over Harry;
2. The knowledge that Eb is Harry’s and Thomas grandfather
3. Introducing Marcone to Mab for the Skin Game revenge on Nicky:
4. The knowledge that Luccio knows about the relationship between Harry and Thomas, allowing her to set up her play in Peace Talks.