Love Potion, Huge Violation of 3rd Law?

[Quantus]

She can try is very different from she can not.

Indeed, the former makes her statements incorrect, because it does not carry guarantee of success that she was claiming.  I can TRY to push over my office building all day long.  Doesnt mean I can succeed without outside intervention.  I can TRY to convince you of something, but succeeding does not mean I removed your ability to decide for yourself. 

[groinkick]

"An entire life, an entire personality, can be permanently altered by just one sentence." -An Accidental Villain

What's this from, Quantus?

Another good quote is from Lex Luthor on Smallville:  In life, the road to darkness is a journey, not a light switch

[Quantus]

"An entire life, an entire personality, can be permanently altered by just one sentence." -An Accidental Villain

What's this from, Quantus?

Another good quote is from Lex Luthor on Smallville:  In life, the road to darkness is a journey, not a light switch

Agents of Shield, during their LMD story arc.

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It was one of the last, best lines of John Hannah's character, the reasonably likable (if amoral) mad scientist who kinda made a murderbot while trying to save his ex girlfriend.  Like ya do...

[groinkick]

Agents of Shield, during their LMD story arc.

(click to show/hide)

It was one of the last, best lines of John Hannah's character, the reasonably likable (if amoral) mad scientist who kinda made a murderbot while trying to save his ex girlfriend.  Like ya do...

Sweet, thanks!

[wardenferry419]

Since Harry is good at making magical items, for his age, wouldn't it be interesting for him to spend some time with Klaus the toymaker. I would like to see snakes in a can but with real snakes.

[Quantus]

Since Harry is good at making magical items, for his age, wouldn't it be interesting for him to spend some time with Klaus the toymaker. I would like to see snakes in a can but with real snakes.

He honestly, nerdily loves to design and make his little magic gadgets, I would really love to see him actually study with any one of the masters of that Craft.  I want o see Klaus under any circumstances, but if Harry had to learn Craft-Magic I think it would be more (sadistically) entertaining if he were to study with Mai instead... 

[wardenferry419]

Mai would not tolerate Harry's lack of etiquette.

[Wizard Sibelis]

Mai would not tolerate Harry's lack of etiquette.

Mmm, another thing he could learn from the same source lol

[Fcrate]

Mmm, another thing he could learn from the same source lol

Or give her high blood pressure, coronary and probably a blood clot while trying.

[Quantus]

Mai would not tolerate Harry's lack of etiquette.

Exactly!! 

[huangjimmy108]

The production of the love potion -- and any other potion -- involves using magic. The text is explicit about this.

As the potion is magic, any changes it makes in a person are magical in nature, and thus part of the law. Note in Turn Coat, how Peabody's law violations are centered around his inks, i.e., a potion he concocted to break the laws of magic.

Actually, Peabody's potion in itself does not violate any laws of magic.

The potion ink is designed to lowered a person's mental defenses. Makes them more vulnerable to manipulation. It does not however, manipulate the person's mind by itself. A wizard has to directly use mind magic to do that.

[Arjan]

Actually, Peabody's potion in itself does not violate any laws of magic.

The potion ink is designed to lowered a person's mental defenses. Makes them more vulnerable to manipulation. It does not however, manipulate the person's mind by itself. A wizard has to directly use mind magic to do that.

And even that is not a violation of the law if the wizard has an invitation. It also depends on what the wizard does. Changing or deleting an uncomfortable or even false memory is one thing but enthrallment is always a violation.

[Mr. Death]

I think it's still a violation, permission or not.

Put it this way -- if someone sticks a knife in me and slices from my bellybutton to my ribcage, it's going to affect me and them in a profound way for days, weeks or even years.

That applies whether it's someone who knifed me during a robbery gone wrong or whether it was a doctor to whom I not only gave explicit permission, but paid good money to do so.

Giving permission doesn't change the nature of the act as an invasion into a place that's not meant to be invaded.

[peregrine]

I think it's still a violation, permission or not.

Put it this way -- if someone sticks a knife in me and slices from my bellybutton to my ribcage, it's going to affect me and them in a profound way for days, weeks or even years.

That applies whether it's someone who knifed me during a robbery gone wrong or whether it was a doctor to whom I not only gave explicit permission, but paid good money to do so.

Giving permission doesn't change the nature of the act as an invasion into a place that's not meant to be invaded.

How would you feel if you found that someone had broken into your house, sat down on your couch, watched TV, had a shower, maybe poked through your cabinets?

Would you feel as bad if you had a guest over?

[Mr. Death]

How would you feel if you found that someone had broken into your house, sat down on your couch, watched TV, had a shower, maybe poked through your cabinets?

Would you feel as bad if you had a guest over?

A house has doors and such that are intended to be opened and closed to let people in and out.

The human brain does not. The only way for someone to access the information in there is to "break in."