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Harry, Time Travel and Sue
« on: October 29, 2017, 02:17:04 PM »
This Thread originated from a Reddit Thread I created. I just pasted it from there here with that audience in mind.

I'm a Time Travel nut. I love the theories. Feel free to post yours here. The one, I'll be talking about is Harry using Sue when he rides far back in time. Sue is a TRex with an age of about 67 Million Years. Harry has already used her in Dead Beat in a book about Necromancy. So, I'm wondering, since she has such a great link to the distant past, why can't Harry use Sue as a resource when he time travels, particularly if he needs an extreme amount of juice to do something quite distant in the past. Many of the arguments against Harry accomplishing anything with time travel is the amount of juice it would require, well we know Sue in necro form has it in spades. So, combining Sue in Necro Form with Time travel Form would be one huge formidable force. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_(dinosaur)
« Last Edit: October 29, 2017, 02:19:38 PM by raidem »
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Re: Harry, Time Travel and Sue
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2017, 02:18:35 PM »
Hey wardenferry:

4) Murphy tags along with Sue/? in TT event.

I like this because Sue is millions of years old. She has metaphysical mass. If she is used in Time Travel, it could explain how some of the juice needed to go pack into the past gets paid. Also, it can allow some characters of ours, to include Bonnie, to venture very far back into the past and become something.
Bonnie becomes prehistoric origin of the Archive and brings some more modern literature "shakespeare, scarecrow, movies, etc) into the distant past where it becomes the basis for the forms of the faeries, their speech, etc.
Murphy becomes Mab, Mister accompanies her.
Mother Murphy goes further into past to become a Mother Winter.
ETC.
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Re: Harry, Time Travel and Sue
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2017, 07:41:15 PM »
Well, we have seen Sue once and it was fun. Why not a second time? Your catchphrase should be " with time travel all things are possible."
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Re: Harry, Time Travel and Sue
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2017, 07:54:13 PM »
Q Are we ever going to see Sue again?
A: Yes. But it might be a while.

Argument from Reddit not with anyone here.
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Sorry. You are mistaken. Harry put some juice into it. It gathered the rest by itself, not by Harry, by defeating it's opponent's as the fight went on. So you might want to get your facts straight first as it wasn't Harry who put all of it there.
You presume that the next time it's resurrected it starts at level 0 again. I don't. Erlking says "Wizard. Called you forth a mighty hunter tonight. One that has not walked this earth since time gone and forgotten." (It's not lvl 0, we will see next time its summoned/resurrected)
Sue can get more juice, energy prior to any time traveling plot by defeating enemies in our time, particularly say on Halloween or any conjunction, etc. At that point, Harry can use her as a battery to assist him in time traveling into the past. Note, the extra juice I'm talking about is the amount that is stored within her, as you so capably argue is immense due to her age.
I also argue a thaumaturgical link can be created between Sue's bones and Sue's living form that can facilitate time travel in some way, either by making it easier to time travel into the past generally, time travel to her time specifically (may only be able to send something tiny like Bonnie to reduce energy needed).
WOJ: QAre we ever going to see Sue again?
A: Yes. But it might be a while.
So Jim has already done a necromancer book with Sue, why not include Sue in a Time Traveling plot since both Sue and Time Travel will both appear later in the books.
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Re: Harry, Time Travel and Sue
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2017, 08:03:17 PM »
When I heard that WOJ, I thought Sue would help fight the Kaiju that was going to appear.
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Re: Harry, Time Travel and Sue
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2017, 08:22:57 PM »
Ooh, nice.
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Re: Harry, Time Travel and Sue
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2017, 09:07:06 PM »
Cthulu meets Jurassic Park.
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Re: Harry, Time Travel and Sue
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2017, 11:42:41 PM »
I hope the dinosaur doesn’t return. That whole thing was just so stupid. Maybe it’s a guy thing... I just found it worth skipping on the re-read as it really brought the story down to a “why am I reading this crap” feeling for me. Sorry. :P

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Re: Harry, Time Travel and Sue
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2017, 11:55:31 PM »
Everybody has their own thing they like about the books. There is a broad range of characters and situations in the series. To each their own. Personally. I liked Sue, especially when Bob took control.
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Re: Harry, Time Travel and Sue
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2017, 07:23:02 PM »
I have a theory that Harry will travel into the distant past, and be the cause of Sue dying in just the right way so as to be available for him later.
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Re: Harry, Time Travel and Sue
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2017, 06:35:16 PM »
When I heard that WOJ, I thought Sue would help fight the Kaiju that was going to appear.

Maybe she will BE the Kaiju?  ;)

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Re: Harry, Time Travel and Sue
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2017, 12:14:58 AM »
Sue is big. But, she is not Godzilla big. Even when you toss in 1950s Godzilla. I think that is when the battleship or aircraft carrier comes in.
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Re: Harry, Time Travel and Sue
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2017, 06:07:50 PM »
Yeah, I've stood beside sue, and she's really not that big.  Bigger than an Elephant, but not THAT much bigger.

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Re: Harry, Time Travel and Sue
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2017, 07:18:44 PM »
I always thought that Sue would appear again when Harry needed something big to take on a horde of faceless enemies (fomer?).

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Re: Harry, Time Travel and Sue
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2017, 10:23:10 PM »
I hope the dinosaur doesn’t return. That whole thing was just so stupid. Maybe it’s a guy thing... I just found it worth skipping on the re-read as it really brought the story down to a “why am I reading this crap” feeling for me. Sorry. :P

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(I feel that way about the porn star coven in the book previous. One of the few Files my wife actually read the back copy to, and I have had no satisfactory retort to "This is just Harlequin for boys, isn't it?"

That said, I like the Sue moment. It may have come together a bit pat, but of course Harry would raise the most famous set of bones in Chicago in the necromancy book.)
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