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Re: Shrouds and mass
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2015, 06:51:22 AM »
Due to ships able to rise and fall so much, canon would difficult to aim. If they develop gun turrets able to be adjusted, those could be set up.

They might be slightly more difficult to aim... but I'm not sure if that difference is substantial enough to invalidate the idea.

From what little we have seen, the airships are closer to their namesake naval capital ships than dogfighting fighters.  They can vary altitudes but they aren't turning on a dime or rising at ridiculous speeds.  Ships (and their guns) appear to need a reasonably close proximity to their target which means that cannons might very well be an interesting 1-2 punch.  Use the ethereal cannons to force the opposing ship into a position and then put a half dozen 12lb cannon balls into it's side. 

The key value add of the ethereal cannons seems to be the sheer destructive power of them.  Normal cannons are basically just heavy balls of metal (though exploding ones do exist)... E-cannons appear to be more along the lines of high-explosive shells that cause massive damage on a penetrating hit.
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Re: Shrouds and mass
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2015, 02:15:32 PM »
The key value add of the ethereal cannons seems to be the sheer destructive power of them.  Normal cannons are basically just heavy balls of metal (though exploding ones do exist)... E-cannons appear to be more along the lines of high-explosive shells that cause massive damage on a penetrating hit.

But if normal cannons can shoot through the shroud then that is a significant advantage in itself, and you would expect a few of them on a warship, alongside all the e-cannons.

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« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2015, 06:18:45 PM »
But if normal cannons can shoot through the shroud then that is a significant advantage in itself, and you would expect a few of them on a warship, alongside all the e-cannons.
The cost of getting that much metal together compared to the amount of damage a metal cannonball can do may be a limiting factor.  It would seem like physical cannons would have the same drawbacks that Grimm described with using traditional firearms.
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Re: Shrouds and mass
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2015, 06:44:02 PM »
The cost of getting that much metal together compared to the amount of damage a metal cannonball can do may be a limiting factor.  It would seem like physical cannons would have the same drawbacks that Grimm described with using traditional firearms.

And yet Grimm is in fact carrying around a pistol.  Seems to indicate he thinks it's worth it despite the prevalence of gauntlets.
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Re: Shrouds and mass
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2015, 01:42:25 AM »
And yet Grimm is in fact carrying around a pistol.  Seems to indicate he thinks it's worth it despite the prevalence of gauntlets.
True, but he keeps pointing out the long lists of drawbacks.  He doesn't typically keep it on him anyway.  He keeps it in his cabin on the Predator when etherealists aren't in the mix. 
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Re: Shrouds and mass
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2016, 06:00:14 PM »
And one of the drawbacks he pointed out was that gunpowder corrodes the barrel, making catastrophic failure more and more likely the more times you use it. He had to replace the barrel of his gun multiple times just while learning how to use it. A cannon is basically all barrel, so you'd only get a few uses out of it before you had to replace it, or risk it exploding and killing your crew members. It's very likely just not worth the expense and risk, when there are techniques to getting past a shroud using much more reliable and long-lasting e-cannons.

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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2016, 06:06:32 PM »
And one of the drawbacks he pointed out was that gunpowder corrodes the barrel, making catastrophic failure more and more likely the more times you use it. He had to replace the barrel of his gun multiple times just while learning how to use it. A cannon is basically all barrel, so you'd only get a few uses out of it before you had to replace it, or risk it exploding and killing your crew members. It's very likely just not worth the expense and risk, when there are techniques to getting past a shroud using much more reliable and long-lasting e-cannons.

Historically canons were made out of bronze (less brittle than iron).  That would be a solution both the canon and pistol.
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Re: Shrouds and mass
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2016, 06:59:38 PM »
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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2016, 03:37:23 PM »
I have been thinking of the shroud like a magnetic field, but an etheric field. It stops etheric energy from passing through, which is why you wouldn't pull your webbing inside the shroud. The webbing runs up/down/out the masts, beyond the radius of the shroud, and then spread out in the currents both air and ether. Once charged, the web interacts with etheric current, more strongly the more it is charged. Sails would be protected by the shroud though and, since the wind would also get through, would function. And yes dropping rocks or other projectiles would definitely get through the shroud.

IMO The real issue, as far as cannons go, is the potential differences between firepowder and gunpowder. In TAW it's firepowder which is so corrosive to the gun barrel, which could also make an exploding cannon ball a very volatile proposition. Old school muskets would have plenty of gunpowder left over in the barrel after firing a shot. If that is what is destroying the barrel, I wouldn't want a bunch of those rolling around in the belly of my ship. All the major advantages of an exploding cannonball would be drawback if firepowder is unstable and/or corrosive. (I keep picturing that old MacGyver oil rig fire episode with the nitroglycerin leaking out of the old dynamite.)

Ether is abundant and cannon crystals/bolts exist, so why risk blowing yourself up? This isn't our earth, basic chemistry is different. Maybe mineral deposits are super rare, too. Gunpowder, iron, tin for bronze, all of these have mining at the core of them; which could be a very dangerous game on a planet where all the wildlife is already dangerous before it is maddened by your blood. Just imagine the moles.
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