Harry is at -17 to -18 refresh pre-changes.
How do you get that?
According to his OW writeup, he's a starting Submerged character post-Storm-Front. FM, GP, DM, BR, WN, and SmF are Major Milestones. So he's at 16 base refresh as of the beginning of TC. If we assume TC is a Major Milestone (as it should be, with the Skinwalker, challenging the SC, and proving better planning/strategizing skills), he's at 17 base refresh at the beginning of Changes -- so his refresh
cost has to be -16 or less to be a viable PC. (And it would be either -15 or -16: judging by the OW advancement writeup, 3 Refinements and Soulfire are already accounted for.)
Assuming
is an Item of Power with Worldwalker, it'd be -1. (It could also be treated as a Focus Item with bonuses to Transportation/Worldwalking thaumaturgy, though.)
-1 more for Marked By Power.
-2 for
-2 for Inhuman Speed.
-2 for Inhuman Strength (maybe. Have to re-read to see if I think he gets that. Kicking vamps aside isn't
necessarily Inhuman for a man Harry's size -- they may be superhumanly strong, but they don't
weigh any more. I'm sure he gets some strength boost, in story, as part of the general physical improvement; I'm just not convinced it's major enough to qualify for Inhuman Strength in game terms.)
-2 for Inhuman Toughness, but
have a +1 Catch on their Toughness powers, so only -1.
I don't remember Recovery (Toughness, yes...) but again, I'll re-read. If he does get it, then -2 more.
-6 to -11 for Changes, thus totaling -22 to -27. I still can't get above -27 even with the most liberal use of the
.
That's -30 for him after taking the WK mantle. And he is still obviously outclassed by Lea, Ebenezar, the Red King, and presumably the rest of the Senior Council, Eldest Gruff and people like that.
Well, Lea is
well above Senior Council, and the Red King is practically a god. Eldest Gruff has (presumably) killed 3 SC members -- I'd say he's above SC level too, maybe even Lea level ultrapowerful. If they could be statted at all, all those guys ought to be -40 Refresh or more.
He's outclassed by Ebenezar with his super Blackstaff stuff; I'm not sure he isn't up to what we see Ebenezar do in TC, which frankly isn't all that impressive compared to his Changes performance or Krakatoa/Tunguska/etc. - he is worried about getting swarmed by 100-some minor mooks while accompanied by 2-3 other SC members and Warden backup. He binds Lara, sure, but Harry might well be able to do that now; he throws one of Binder's minions super far, but Harry did a similar thing to Thorned Namshiel with Soulfire in SmF.
Jim suggested Harry might be a match for Cowl during Changes, and I see no evidence Cowl is below SC level. So I'm not at all convinced
*is* "obviously outclassed" by the Senior Council.
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More directly relevant, however:
What else would you
give an Elder? This guy has Mythic Strength and Toughness; he has all the regular BCV powers plus an extra upgrade I made up.
Mythic Speed seems inappropriate because it would make mortals hitting him pretty much impossible (even Supernatural is stretching it -- a lot of Elders, the spellcasting ones with less physical focus, are probably only Inhuman Speed) - BCVs, even Elders, are supposed to be pretty dependent on their Toughness; that's why their Catch becoming common knowledge was so nasty.
Recovery of any sort seems incompatible with Living Dead, and Black Court Masters don't get any Recovery.
Spellcasting, sure... but given what's said about Mavra I think it's pretty unusual for the Black Court ... a spellcaster Elder was going to be a separate set of stats.