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[Samael]

Hrm.

I see your point, but a big part of the power is the thematic part of it, that it protects him from Daemons and hostile Psykers (spellslingers) giving him the edge when going up against the worst the forces of Hell/Chaos have to offer.
If its just a block then it will be overcome fairly easily (as your average spell-slinger can manage something over 6 shifts) which breaks meaning with the fate point expenditure included, making it vastly over price for what it is, while also nerfing the concept as well.

We need a middle ground, and the first thing I am will to set aside is the threshold ability to deny powers to those who cross them (as that is not what I wanted in the first place.).

Any ideas?

[Sanctaphrax]

The only real problem (aside from removing powers) is that the threshold adds its full value to defence. If it was just a zone border, it'd be no problem. You can knock the price down to -1, and it'll still be a big advantage. You'd be hard to approach and essentially immune to all but the most excessively powerful ranged attacks.

Not sure that that's what you're after though. It lacks some of the feel of the original.

By the way, would this power work against ordinary spellcasters? How about vampires, or zombies, or dragons, or whatever?

[ways and means]

Is this any better, a direct bonus to musical performanance somewhat goes with the aim of the power otherwise I have tried to explain the quasi grapple (as it has no damage options).  

Transcendent Music [-4]
You can play an instrument or sing with a level of skill and power that you can almost make rocks cry and sooth the hearts of the darkest of people.  This skill is usual accompanied by an aspect relating to which particular deal with the devil/fae you made to gain this power.

Superlative Musician: +2 to all performance rolls made with your instrument of choice
Listen to my Song: you can play an instrument so well that all in the area will stop and listen: a zone wide mental grapple (defining zone as range to which people can hear the music clearly) against all actions but listening to the music, made by the rolling performance against the opponents discipline.  

[-2]The Soothing Song: Whilst people are listening to your music they recover from mental consequences on step quicker than usual.
 

[Samael]

@Santaphrax - I think your a bit overestimating the value of this power, given what I need to pay just to use it, I mean even with this power a spell caster like Bel's character can take me out in 4-5 hits, and Tsunami's could manage the same with his Mythic Strength and a big enough weapon. Throw mooks at me with Supernatural Strength/Toughness (Those Fire Giants come to mind) and I'll go quickly enough. I mean your GM so I'll do as you say if that is how your going to rule it, but that it my two cents.

[Sanctaphrax]

The giants could never hit you. Fantastic Conviction + Superb Endurance gives you 11 defense. It is mathematically impossible for them to hit with attacks at Fantastic.

But from the way you talk about it, it sounds like you mean for it to apply as armour. If so, then go ahead and use it as is.

[Samael]

what do you mean Armour? Like armor: #Here Armor?

or as a defense?

[ways and means]

Thresholds stop extra damage from non-spellcasting powers before they effect the accuracy of an attack by magical creature, 1 point of threshold will nullify 1 point of extra supernatural strength damage (as the power is weakened).  Also the giants could hit him for full damage and accuracy if they threw stuff at him from outside the thresheld zone.

[Sanctaphrax]

So thresholds reduce damage?

I thought they decreased the to-hit roll.

As I said, the power's a lot more reasonable then.

[ways and means]

Threshold lower everything for spellcasting including the to hit roll,thresholds weaken and nulify the supernatural powers of those not invited in but most powers don't increase accuracy so unless all powers are nulified to zero it won't start effecting accuracy.

[polkaneverdies]

Should "dream or reality" give you any ability to shape the never never while not in your demense?

[Belial666]

I think you got thresholds wrong;


1) They lower power and accuracy of spells.
2) They diminish the power of supernatural creatures (negating some of their powers) when they are inside the threshold - but not when they're outside.
3) If they negate enough powers to take the creatures into negatives, they decrease rolls instead.

[devonapple]

Should "dream or reality" give you any ability to shape the never never while not in your demense?

I don't believe it would, but I'm not the power's creator. Although it would be creepy to have the monster "redecorate" so that the demesne is already prepared for guests.

[Sanctaphrax]

The use of "threshold" in Aegis Demon Shield has caused a great deal of trouble. I propose the following rewrite:

[-2] Aegis Daemon Shield - Your very presence, backed by the force of your rock solid Faith, is anathema to Supernatural beings of malicious or ill intent. Effects; The Emperor Protects. You may spend a Fate Point to create a shield of True Faith around yourself and your zone. This shield functions as a zone border with a value equal to the user's Conviction against all supernatural creatures that oppose the user, reduces the power and control of evocations that target characters inside of it by the user's Conviction, and reduces all stress inflicted by the natural attacks of supernatural creatures that oppose the user to characters inside of it by the user's Conviction. This effect only lasts one exchange, but it can be extended indefinitely at the cost of a supplemental action each exchange.

Formatting's ugly, but I think it gets the point across. Ask if you need clarification, complain if you don't like.

[BumblingBear]

The use of "threshold" in Aegis Demon Shield has caused a great deal of trouble. I propose the following rewrite:

[-2] Aegis Daemon Shield - Your very presence, backed by the force of your rock solid Faith, is anathema to Supernatural beings of malicious or ill intent. Effects; The Emperor Protects. You may spend a Fate Point to create a shield of True Faith around yourself and your zone. This shield functions as a zone border with a value equal to the user's Conviction against all supernatural creatures that oppose the user, reduces the power and control of evocations that target characters inside of it by the user's Conviction, and reduces all stress inflicted by the natural attacks of supernatural creatures that oppose the user to characters inside of it by the user's Conviction. This effect only lasts one exchange, but it can be extended indefinitely at the cost of a supplemental action each exchange.

Formatting's ugly, but I think it gets the point across. Ask if you need clarification, complain if you don't like.

I think that it works, and it is a very, very cool power.

[Samael]

The use of "threshold" in Aegis Demon Shield has caused a great deal of trouble. I propose the following rewrite:

[-2] Aegis Daemon Shield - Your very presence, backed by the force of your rock solid Faith, is anathema to Supernatural beings of malicious or ill intent. Effects; The Emperor Protects. You may spend a Fate Point to create a shield of True Faith around yourself and your zone. This shield functions as a zone border with a value equal to the user's Conviction against all supernatural creatures that oppose the user, reduces the power and control of evocations that target characters inside of it by the user's Conviction, and reduces all stress inflicted by the natural attacks of supernatural creatures that oppose the user to characters inside of it by the user's Conviction. This effect only lasts one exchange, but it can be extended indefinitely at the cost of a supplemental action each exchange.

Formatting's ugly, but I think it gets the point across. Ask if you need clarification, complain if you don't like.

Precisely what I wanted Sanctaphrax, this is again why I think your awesome.

I'll move this power on my Marine right quick.