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Re: Dresden Files: Series Timeline
« Reply #375 on: June 19, 2011, 08:27:47 PM »
Spoilers from the short story Curses- the preview of the first fifth is on Amazon....

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According to Priscillie's announcement of the book it's in, Naked City, "Curses" occurs between Small Favor and Turn Coat. So there's that.

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Re: Dresden Files: Series Timeline
« Reply #376 on: June 21, 2011, 01:52:47 AM »
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Re: Dresden Files: Series Timeline
« Reply #377 on: June 21, 2011, 02:29:32 AM »
Spoilers from the short story Curses- the preview of the first fifth is on Amazon....

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FWIW, Jim wrote the story in 2008. :D

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Re: Dresden Files: Series Timeline
« Reply #378 on: June 21, 2011, 04:58:56 AM »
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Interesting to note that, according to the timeline/Harry's comments about Justin's training, Harry learned how to make a shield before he learned to use/control his Sight.  Is this a reflection of Justin's priorities or is it just that the Sight is something that comes in with age?  'The first time it had happened to me' suggests the latter, but...I can't think that Justin was all that interested in having his apprentice(s) able to see things as they truly were.

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Re: Dresden Files: Series Timeline
« Reply #379 on: June 21, 2011, 03:43:33 PM »
FWIW, Jim wrote the story in 2008. :D

Yeah, I'm a proponnet of Storm Front being set in 2000- makes chronology a ton easier.

Also, one thing I picked up re-reading Death Masks- it's an election year. (DM 116).  Does that help any?

EDIT: City elections are every four years- 2003 being the most likely (too late in the series to be 1999 or early for 2007)- making 2000 Storm Front.

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Re: Dresden Files: Series Timeline
« Reply #380 on: June 21, 2011, 03:54:29 PM »
Yeah, I'm a proponnet of Storm Front being set in 2000- makes chronology a ton easier.

Also, one thing I picked up re-reading Death Masks- it's an election year. (DM 116).  Does that help any?

EDIT: City elections are every four years- 2003 being the most likely (too late in the series to be 1999 or early for 2007)- making 2000 Storm Front.

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Of course, Jim's chronological planning skills leave a lot to be desired (see: The Great Copperfield Retcon and Molly and Isana's TARDISes), so I'm sure there is information in the books that contradicts this.  However, it's awesome to see some solid evidence for putting Storm Front in 2000, other than sheer numerological convenience!  Thank you!

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Re: Dresden Files: Series Timeline
« Reply #381 on: June 21, 2011, 04:02:17 PM »

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Of course, Jim's chronological planning skills leave a lot to be desired (see: The Great Copperfield Retcon and Molly and Isana's TARDISes), so I'm sure there is information in the books that contradicts this.  However, it's awesome to see some solid evidence for putting Storm Front in 2000, other than sheer numerological convenience!  Thank you!

Yea, I know it's not definite with retcons and such (there was some example from SK and days of the week I recall), ie Copperfield and Molly's age (I had to google Isana lol- really need to pick that series up when I'm going through DF withdrawal), but it helps for those who like to have every date nailed down to some extent.

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Re: Dresden Files: Series Timeline
« Reply #382 on: June 21, 2011, 04:26:47 PM »
According to Priscillie's announcement of the book it's in, Naked City, "Curses" occurs between Small Favor and Turn Coat. So there's that.

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Going off of SF=2000, this would likely be (in-universe) as the 2009 season (9 ASF), where the Cubs still almost took the division title.  (I know Jim wrote it in '08, but chronologically it fits anywhere in '07-'09 (all decent seasons for the Cubs).

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Re: Dresden Files: Series Timeline
« Reply #383 on: June 21, 2011, 04:37:22 PM »
Going off of SF=2000, this would likely be (in-universe) as the 2009 season (9 ASF), where the Cubs still almost took the division title.  (I know Jim wrote it in '08, but chronologically it fits anywhere in '07-'09 (all decent seasons for the Cubs).

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Re: Dresden Files: Series Timeline
« Reply #384 on: June 21, 2011, 05:47:16 PM »
Spoilers from the short story Curses- the preview of the first fifth is on Amazon....
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Re: Dresden Files: Series Timeline
« Reply #385 on: June 21, 2011, 07:03:32 PM »
Going off of SF=2000, this would likely be (in-universe) as the 2009 season (9 ASF), where the Cubs still almost took the division title.  (I know Jim wrote it in '08, but chronologically it fits anywhere in '07-'09 (all decent seasons for the Cubs).

Zambrano has pitched for the Cubs since 2001.  More importantly, from Curses, Harry thinks Tampa might have a chance. This puts 2008, 2009 as pretty likely, as Tampa didn't really start looking good until then.  hat he thought them a threat to the Yankees for a postseason title...well. He'd had to have seen them pull off a good run at least once (as in 2008) to take them seriously.
Also, Harry called them Tampa Bay-- but he called everything else by team name (Cubs, Yankees, Phillies)-- this is something I know I started doing after their name-switch in 2008.  It just...sounds wrong....to call them the Rays.

The next thing to do is to try to pin down which game Harry saw at the end of the story. Lessee. Zambrano started at Wrigley. In 2009. and it was late enough in the season (and the Cubs were doing well enough) that the management was looking into removing the curse (and 'Who do you like for the postseason' was not a silly question to ask....) So. Probably after the All Star Game.  We have 7/27, 8/25, 8/30 and 9/15.  I suspect that his start on 9/30 was too late in the season for the removal of the curse to really make a difference, as at that point, they were 8 games back and not going to the postseason.  It was looking really, really unlikely on 9/15, too (5.5 games back in the wild card, 8.5 back in the division).  Though I suppose the game Harry attended doesn't have to have been immediately following the case.

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Re: Dresden Files: Series Timeline
« Reply #386 on: June 21, 2011, 08:07:54 PM »
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Re: Dresden Files: Series Timeline
« Reply #387 on: June 21, 2011, 08:18:10 PM »
Zambrano has pitched for the Cubs since 2001.  More importantly, from Curses, Harry thinks Tampa might have a chance. This puts 2008, 2009 as pretty likely, as Tampa didn't really start looking good until then.  hat he thought them a threat to the Yankees for a postseason title...well. He'd had to have seen them pull off a good run at least once (as in 2008) to take them seriously.
Also, Harry called them Tampa Bay-- but he called everything else by team name (Cubs, Yankees, Phillies)-- this is something I know I started doing after their name-switch in 2008.  It just...sounds wrong....to call them the Rays.

The next thing to do is to try to pin down which game Harry saw at the end of the story. Lessee. Zambrano started at Wrigley. In 2009. and it was late enough in the season (and the Cubs were doing well enough) that the management was looking into removing the curse (and 'Who do you like for the postseason' was not a silly question to ask....) So. Probably after the All Star Game.  We have 7/27, 8/25, 8/30 and 9/15.  I suspect that his start on 9/30 was too late in the season for the removal of the curse to really make a difference, as at that point, they were 8 games back and not going to the postseason.  It was looking really, really unlikely on 9/15, too (5.5 games back in the wild card, 8.5 back in the division).  Though I suppose the game Harry attended doesn't have to have been immediately following the case.

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Re: Dresden Files: Series Timeline
« Reply #388 on: June 21, 2011, 11:50:01 PM »
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Re: Dresden Files: Series Timeline
« Reply #389 on: June 21, 2011, 11:53:33 PM »
Yeah, I'm a proponnet of Storm Front being set in 2000- makes chronology a ton easier.

Also, one thing I picked up re-reading Death Masks- it's an election year. (DM 116).  Does that help any?

EDIT: City elections are every four years- 2003 being the most likely (too late in the series to be 1999 or early for 2007)- making 2000 Storm Front.

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Actually, the interesting thing about your attempt versus the other attempts to pin down the timeline definitively through minor details is that Jim more than likely knew when the Chicago Mayoral elections take place since Death Masks took place in late February and the mayoral election always occurs in Chicago on the last Tuesday in February. That could, of course, be a coincidence but it would seem to be an awfully convenient one if it is.