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Dragoncon 2022

"When did Marcone take up the coin? Ride of the Valkyries was still playing, before the chopper was back to the city."

I've never actually played a game in full, I've always wanted to though, and I've made several characters to that effect.

My favourites are:

Neutral Evil-White Court Spymaster Malvora; Who helped organise the Black Court Purge. Basically he was the White Court envoy to the Black Court during one of the Vampire Alliances, and he used his position to study Black Court resources, fortresses, nests support networks, so that when Lara pulled the trigger with Dracula he lead all the human mobs to all of their hiding places, including coordinating with Simon Pietrovich and leading the Blackstaff to Tunguska.

A Chaotic Good-White Council Thief. Member whose a thief in the real world so breaks or skirts the human laws but doesn't break any of the Laws of Magic and just dances around the edge of Warden Jurisdiction, but not seriously on the Blackstaff radar. I have him as Margaret Le Fey's unofficial apprentice and just as good with Ways. Good with crafting items. Vulnerable in real world but power ups if in the Nevernever.

I've got a Dagon Knight character. Think Eragorn meets KotC.

I've also stated Jack Frost and Peter Pan as Winter Princeling and Summer Princeling respectively. (In a submarine level)

An idea I've been tossing around is An Athlete whose the Grandson of Thor and Hercules. So just a straight up Champion.

Rules are:
1.Characters that have to have appeared or directly mentions in the series. So no Zeus or Kratos.
2. Yes. It's based on Combat so just forestalling the inevitable argument that that isn't the only measure of power.
3. Feel free to add, subtract or switch ranks. If enough people agree with your amendment I'll amend the Original Post, but will make note of such edits so people know what has changed.


1. Uriel (Archangel destroy galaxies. Limited by Free Will and Response)
2. Mothers (Measure above the Queens)
3. Ethniu (Able to compel Ferrovax and Vaddeung. Defeat Mab with the Eye)
4. Hades (God. Olympian which could take down the Titans, but still their progeny so think demi-god to god to Titan)
5. Ferrovax (Can Crack reality. Still Vadderungs a threat.)
6. Mab/Titania (Fae Queen)
7. Vadderung/Kringle (God but gave up his immortality to have Free Will and directly act in the world. WOJ confirms Soul Fire. Still could probably take Queens and Ferrovax. Or atleast it's close enough for everyone to play little games of protocol so they don't have to duel)
8. Drakul (Scary Star Born)
9. Erlking (Wild Hunt Kringle and Eldest equal has his own Dukedom.)
10. Red King (Erlking seemed confident he could hunt the Red Court)
11. Eldest Gruff (Likes dueling Senior Council and winning, bitch slapped a Denarian. Equal of Erlking and Kringle)
12. Leansidhe ( Often referred to as Mab's second. I put her above the Ladis simply because she's outlived half a dozen of them. I put her at Eldest Gurff contemporary)
13. Lords of Outer Night. (Will. Outsider backing, but Lea could take atleast one.)
14. Ladies. (Honestly their biggest weakness is their arrogance, but Dresden's defeated and killed several times)
15. Naagloshii (Powerful but can be driven off)
16. Ivy. (The Archive. All of human memory, but doesn't have innate magic based on her life span)
17. Rivers in his Shoulders/ Genowska (Forest People. Measurement of Senior Council for the Forest People. I think Blackstaff, Gatekeeper, The Merlin Might win but it'd be equivalent of Harry beating them so.)
18. Kemmler (Big Bad Necromancer)
19.Ebenezar (Blackstaff)
20. Rashid (Gatekeeper)
21. Langtry (The Merlin)
22. Harry (Winter Knight. The 3 above are the only Wizards who could take him handsdown and even then it'd be close.)
23. Sir Marcone/Namshiel (Denarian Magical expert riding shotgun)
24. Knights of the Cross (In order: Shiro, Michael, Sanya, Butters. They cancel out the Denarians assuming they have allies. Butters could be great with some time, experience and training)
25. Mouse (His abilities are Knight level depending on his home base)
25. Nicodemus (Skilled, Strong, Immortal likes killing champions but has been run off by Harry and the Knights his every appearance)
26. Simon Pietrovich (Vamp expert. Brute Squad leader. Cowl)
27. Duchess Ortega (Harry kicked her ass. Just putting her below the Vamp Expert, but above Polonius.)
28. Listens to Wind (Shaman Shapeshifter who can run off a Naagloshi)
29. Ursiel (Powerful but stupid. LtW could take him on in a shape shifter fight)
30. Polonius Latessa (Powerful, but clearly a Sorceror. Senior Council level but still)
31. Diedre (Her Physical abilities are impressive, but not as much as those above)
32. Martha Liberty (Senior Council. Loa spirit expert.)
33. Ancient Mai (Scary Senior Senior Council, but her expertise isn't combat oriented.)
34. Klaus the Toymaker (Next in line for Senior Council sans politics. Personal theory yet another mask of Vadderung/Kringle but till that's confirmed he's the youngest of the Senior wizards)
35. Donald Morgan (A measure between Harry and Ebenezar for most of the series. Survived Kemmler. A few Red Dukes. An ass but a badass)
36.Denarians (Short lived that go through their hosts.)
37.Carlos Ramirez (Young but officer of the Wardens. War vet. Survived Kemmler's heirs and the duel of Raith deeps and the Battle of the Bean)
38. Fix (Summer Knight. Could take most Fae, but Harry took him easily)
39. Lasciel/Hannah Ascher (If anything easier than he did Fix)
40. Elder Fae. (Cat Sith: Fought Nemesis hold, Elder Gruff, Red Cap)
41. Svartalves. (Focus isn't open combat but powerful independent nation)
42. Luccio (Was Captain, has fought of various Kemmler level sorcerors over a few centuries)
43. Black Court Elders (Based on Drakuls Crew)
44. Wardens (Chandler, Bill, Yoshimo. Capable fighters, not as good as they think they are)
45. Kemmlers Heirs' (Necro Bob, Corpestaker, Grevane, Wild West guy. Sorcerors.)
46. Monoc Securities (I feel like Gard could confidently take most Wardens. Healing abilities of trauma.)
47. Regular Red Court (Strong but obvious weaknesses)
48. White Court (Capable fighters with enhanced abilities. Don't have Monoc's healing.)
49. Ghouls (Strong henchmen muscles)
50. Alpha's (Minor talent one trick ponies. Rare for a 1 on 1.)


So some outliers that would take us above top 50.

Lord Raith. For most of history I'd have put him Blackstaff level. Kill with a touch protected by an outsider and command of the White Court, but now he's a weak puppet. Lara's bitch.
Kincaid. Until we see what his Hell Hound abilities are he's just a very effective soldier slightly above Murphy.
Alpha's. Minor talent one trick pony. Effective fighters, but only to a point.

Let me know if you agree disagree, and if so with whom and where you'd put them?

If people have a conensus on whose where I'll change it with the edits noted.

His eyes are gold and ivory, so it can be presumed he isn’t human.

What he is another matter. At this point Marcone had the Counsel of a Fallen Angel and a Demi-god of Discord. Either of them could have hooked him up with Child’s

Must have missed the eye thing where was that?

Demi-god of Discord?

The thing I wonder is does each head have a personality? I mean each one has a brain right? What happens if one head goes for a treat another goes for a thrown stick and the third wants to perform a trick?

https://www.reddit.com/r/dresdenfiles/comments/x4b8ve/an_hour_with_jim_butcher_dragoncon_2022/

So, is Jim saying he knows who is Warden now, Harry, understood, but now he seems to be talking double speak, and the guy before that was.. Then he goes on to say but the guy before /that/ was Kemmler so...  So is he implying that there was another Warden in-between Harry and Kemmler? If that is what he is implying, why isn't he or she named and what happened to him or her?

Not including Harry.

So Jim knows who the past 2 Wardens were but isn't telling, but that Kemmler was 3 Wardens ago.

The island is not a mantle, it’s Harry’s spouse.

I think even Lara would hesitate at that threesome.

Ebenezar specifically says 'that particular mantle'.

That's in text confirmation. That's enough for me.