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DF Spoilers / Re: Q&A Fantasyfestival 2023 in Esbjerg/Denmark
« on: September 26, 2023, 08:10:15 PM »
Also, Sigrun and Freydis Gard are both pretty cool persons underneath their warrior women role. I don't see how Murphy would not fit right in with them.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Q&A Fantasyfestival 2023 in Esbjerg/Denmark
« on: September 26, 2023, 07:19:19 PM »
As the old proverb goes, "be careful for what you wish for, you may get it..."  That goes for Harry as well, he may wish her back, be glad at first to see Murphy come back, but in the end wish that she had been allowed to rest in peace.

The point here is, Murphy was able to see beyond the very suspicious behaviour Harry was exhibiting in Skin Game (which Butters couldn't, but listed out very succinctly), because she trusted that Harry was still, at his core, the same person. I can't see Harry not doing the same if Murphy comes back with some minor changes in her outlook. I'm confident that at her core, she'll still be the same person, just as Harry is still the same guy from book one where it counts.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Q&A Fantasyfestival 2023 in Esbjerg/Denmark
« on: September 26, 2023, 01:36:27 PM »
Harry got imprinted with the shadow of a Fallen Angel, spent years with her inside his skull.
He died -- dead enough to ghost-around for days -- and came back to life.
He's saddled with the personality-warping influences of a Winter Mantle.

And yet, you say, Harry's still Harry at his core.

But you seem adamant that Murphy cannot still be Murphy...?
I don't see anything to prevent her from still being herself (given the precedents that Jim has written)... except that you don't want her to be.

Yeah, I don't see either why she suddenly would stop being Murphy, only because her circumstances have changed. A person is defined by her outlook on life, how she treats with others, how she feels about herself. While some of those facets would of course be altered by dying and being brought back (Harry sure did have to adjust), at her core Murphy would still be herself.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Q&A Fantasyfestival 2023 in Esbjerg/Denmark
« on: September 26, 2023, 05:50:42 AM »
Moreover, Murphy already has gone through big of personal outlook (and position in life) during the last five books and she still was Murphy at her core.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Q&A Fantasyfestival 2023 in Esbjerg/Denmark
« on: September 25, 2023, 10:15:04 PM »
  However Harry didn't change, he always had magical talent, and when his brain was occupied with Lasciel's shadow, he had to deal with rage issues then as well when it came to Hell Fire. With the Winter Knight's Mantle he got a bit stronger, and had to deal with primal urges he didn't have before, but he got a handle on them and remained Harry.
There you are mistaken, a Holy Knight has no "power," not of his or her own anyway, the angel of the Sword works through them, strict rules apply, as Murphy sadly found out.  However the whole time she wielded the Sword, she was merely a vanilla human, as Michael,Sanya, Butters, and Shiro are.  Susan was the exception since she was half vamp, however the Sword didn't effect that one way or the other.  So Murphy was a mere vanilla human until the day she was murdered, it only seemed like she had power because she was being turned into Wonder Woman.  There are rules for Odin's soldiers and for Valkyrie as well that cannot be broken.  If she gets power and comes back she will have to play by a new set of rules, from a new perspective, she won't be the same person.
Her body perhaps, but it won't be the Murphy you remembered and loved.  True, you could love her more, or sadly you may wish that Jim had let the dead rest in peace.

Okay, I don't know how to have a good discussion with someone who clearly has a different definition of what constitutes a "person". I didn't like Murphy because of her "function" as the normie of the group, I liked her because of her personality, of her way of interacting with people. If she came back with Valkyrie powers and some conflicts of loyalty, that would not change her basic personality, that would just add conflict to her relation with Harry. Her intrinsic value to me as a character is not in her position as the "one without powers" in Dresdens coterie, but in what she provides as a person. So, sorry, but I don't put much trust in your predictive powers, which you clearly are trying to exercise here. Murphy will be as much the same person after returning as Harry was after coming back from being nursed back to health by Mab.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Q&A Fantasyfestival 2023 in Esbjerg/Denmark
« on: September 25, 2023, 02:38:38 PM »
  Thank you, my point..  ;)  Also give thought as to why you love her so much and if you'd still love her after all these twists and turns to bring her back?  That's my problem with the character, I liked her when she was a good,strong,smart cop who worked with Harry, kept him on his toes and was a good friend as well as a critic.  I think her previous reasons stated to him for not wanting their friendship to be more in I think was Proven Guilty are still valid.  I began to have problems with her once she was fired and Jim didn't know quite what to do with her.  I still don't think he does, while the idea of turning her into Mab or a Valkyrie may be appealing to those who want her back.. My response is, really?  She won't be Murphy anymore because her perspective won't be what it once was.  It changes everything, not unlike Ivy/Archive, when Ivy was a little girl her relationship with both Harry and Kincaid was very different from what it is now as young adult, Ivy, the Archive..  I loved the old relationships as well, but they had to change to be believable. Why? Because the perspective of a more mature Ivy changed, she sees both Harry and Kincaid differently.

People change, but at the core they mostly stay the same. I still love Harry, despite him having to deal with rage issues due to the Winter Mantle (which got pretty ooky in Cold Days, before he got a handle on it in the books after that). I still love his character, despite him giving up a lot of his ideals for a more pragmatic approach over the last few books.

I can deal with Murphy changing as well, as long as she is, at her core, still Murphy. Having some powers (which she had before, when wielding the swords, btw) doesn't change that and adding some conflict by having conflicting loyalties doesn't do so, either.

So, yeah, I want her back, with new problems to solve.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Q&A Fantasyfestival 2023 in Esbjerg/Denmark
« on: September 25, 2023, 05:19:02 AM »
As the old proverb says, "be careful for what you wish for, you may get it!"  If she does come back, you can bet it is only to make Harry suffer more..

Everything is designed to make Harry (and through him, us) suffer more. As Jim said in the Q&A, he doesn't get to torture the readers, so he does it to Harry.  ;D

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DF Spoilers / Re: Q&A Fantasyfestival 2023 in Esbjerg/Denmark
« on: September 24, 2023, 09:44:37 PM »
It is not Bradley who says Rudolph will pay, it is Butters.

Damn, I really should look up things in the book before fishing it out of my, ever more faulty, memory banks. Anyway, we'll see how it goes in the next book. It'd be inconceivable that Jim would not address this in some way.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Q&A Fantasyfestival 2023 in Esbjerg/Denmark
« on: September 24, 2023, 06:34:29 PM »
Was Bradley at the site of the shooting?
I thought he was with the kids.
I need to re-read BG!

Apparently he was away, as vincentric pointed out. My bad, I misremembered that (it's been a few year). However, he still promised Harry that Rudolph would be brought to justice, because he saw Murphy's corpse before she was yoinked to Valhalla. Honestly, Rudolph is more secure being imprisoned than if he'd skate on a technicality, because Harry would not let that go. I guess we'll see in Twelve Months.

But that becomes a "roll your eyes" problem, I know that is difficult for her devoted fans, but there it is.  It was beginning to become a problem for the story, Murphy, yes, good at hand to hand combat, but as she gets older and injured still takes down just about everyone? Suddenly she all the wisdom of the world? I could go on, but that was the problem, she stopped being realistic, it was more give me a break... That's why Jim had to kill her off, and if she is brought back too soon, what's new there? Other than as one of Odin's fighters she does what she always did? Her fans will love that I know and respect that, but in my opinion it hurts the story.

Yeah, well, you're a known "not fan" of her, therefore I have to politely point out that your opinion is therefore also quite biased. Personally, I'd rather see her brought back rather sooner than later, but even then it will probably be only after Mirror Mirror, i.e. in three books at the soonest. Which seems plenty time to me, especially with Jims writing rythm still not being what it was (and the books getting longer and longer as well).

That she will return is now a certainty for me and Jims comment to my question in the Q&A indicated to me that it won't be without Murphy herself working on it from her side, which indicates it won't be just before or during the BAT. That may be optimistic expectations on my side, but Jim put up the barriers around Harry to prevent him from entering any serious romance (i.e. magic chastity belt for Molly, Lara being a dead fish romantically) for the time being.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Q&A Fantasyfestival 2023 in Esbjerg/Denmark
« on: September 22, 2023, 05:49:00 AM »
I think Harry was the only witness, and I don't think he's going to file a police report on the incident.  No body.

Uh, Bradley was there, too. And he already told Harry that Rudolph would face justice.

I don't think so, the Einenjharen we've seen, those who worked for Marcone don't seem to have much connection or any connection to the friends and family they had in life.  Very painful I must say if any of the living remembered them when they were alive... Hence the rule, they cannot return until they are passed all living memory.

Well, those Einherjar already passed through that whole "until they have passed out of living memory" thing, so no wonder they have no big connection to their old families. Murphy just died and was brought back and I would say a lot of special rules apply to her. Lover of a big ally of Odin, former wielder of a holy sword and therefore in the good graces of the Archangel Uriel and his boss. Also, she's Murphy.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Q&A Fantasyfestival 2023 in Esbjerg/Denmark
« on: September 21, 2023, 07:02:43 AM »
I mean, Murphy is a devout (or maybe a bit lapsed, due to events of the last years?) catholic, you'd think Uriel would at least have a word with Odin about having snatched her up for his version of the afterlife.

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Cinder Spires Spoilers / Re: WarriorBorn review and discussion
« on: September 20, 2023, 01:30:32 PM »
Yeah, the novella transported me instantly back to the universe. I really liked it and it was interesting to see that it is set after the first novel, with some developments already hinted at. It's only two months until the Olympian Affair drops, so this was a very good way to wet the taste.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Q&A Fantasyfestival 2023 in Esbjerg/Denmark
« on: September 20, 2023, 12:51:45 PM »
He is a police officer, his word has weight.

He committed manslaughter and was turned in by a fellow police officer. His word has therefore zero weight with the authorities.

Also, how much "space" Murphys return would take up is highly mutable. I'd happily give up all the space Dresden dating Lara will fill.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Q&A Fantasyfestival 2023 in Esbjerg/Denmark
« on: September 18, 2023, 02:38:44 PM »
Yes, as Murphy aged she became more unrealistic, so she either had to retire or die.. So Jim killed her off, my question is, if he brings her back as a resurrected supernatural something or other, what is he going to do with her?  For me at any rate and I don't think I am alone in this, the character suffered once she was fired from the police force.  Oh the shippers loved all the shipping between her and Harry, but she never quite fit in any of the roles he tried to put her in, including him making her into a combination of Wonder Woman and Athena Goddess of Wisdom..  I don't think it will work now, Murphy was best when she was a smart, professional no nonsense cop.  She hasn't been for a long time, let Harry mourn for her and let her rest in peace like Susan,Shiro, Morgan, and others, it is part of life.

Again, I politely disagree. I thought she was a very good character the last books. And that she isn't going to "rest in peace" was pretty much already established by getting raised as an Einherjar. My personal prediction is still that she is coming back as a Valkyrie, which would subvert the whole "until she has passed out of living memory" rule sufficiently, since that rule if for Einherjar. That already gives her a job, some conflict with Harry, since she is under command of Odin and angst as well for ages.... literally, since now she's immortal and he isn't. Not to mention the whole "she's a catholic Valkyrie" thing. Although Dani Moonstar did pretty well with not being true Asgardian over in the Marvel universe.  ;D

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DF Spoilers / Re: Q&A Fantasyfestival 2023 in Esbjerg/Denmark
« on: September 17, 2023, 04:34:02 PM »
On the general subject of Q & A, was there anything in the recent podcast of significance? I no longer drive long distances for business, and find that I don't have the patience to just sit and listen to folks talk.

The only thing I remember from it which was new is that Jim apparently had to deal with a stalker just in the recent years. Which sucks, of course.

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