In a sense the Id,is his own entity, lets not forget back in Fool Moon I think it was when we first meet him, he is a very different Harry from the one we know.  I wouldn't be shocked if that is the Harry we meet in Mirror Mirror..

I have an entire theory that DuMorne did not fail in creating a thrall out of Harry, and to cover the corrupted "real" Harry he created a fake overlay personality- which has now been in the driver's seat longer than the "real" Harry and is its own being, and the main character of the Dresden files.

idHarry would then be "original" Harry. Similar, interested in the survival of thrall-Harry, but not quite the same being. It would explain why Harry hasn't backslid as a warlock- the backlash affected real Harry, not constructed Harry. It'd go into a lot of the philosophy of mind fun stuff, and put a whole different spin on Uriel's interactions with Harry.

I'm not firmly attached to it, but Butcher has left himself room to go that way. It possibly, in a less interesting way, explains some of his incorruptibility by beings like Lasciel- he's actually bound in terms of some of the choices he *can* make- and it would explain Bob's explanation about how a fine thrall could function theoretically forever without knowing it's a thrall.

But I don't think anything was said about him being a member of the Black Council.. Again lots of talk about, but no substance as to whether or not it really exists.. Oh I think there is some kind of connection, or at least perhaps some of the factions have was looks like the same aims but that doesn't mean they are part of a group called the Black Council.

I believe you're confusing Black Council with Black Court. Black Court's a vampire court, Black Council is Harry's name for the alliance of individuals from several nations working to undermine everything. The post you quote was about Black Court, not Black Council.

The Jade Court are classic Chinese hopping vampires, breath or chi stealers meaning the Jampires have more in common with the Whampires (aside from both being fans of British rock bands).

Reds and Blacks both require blood and the life force suspended in that to feed, rather than take the life force direct.

My theory is Drakul is wearing a Starborn body, Kemmler was after something similar but was too early for Harry’s generation, Justin in this theory was waiting for Kemmler to return, Harry was to be the new body for Kemmler, and with a Starborn body Kemmler had the last piece of the jigsaw for a successful Darkhallow (which is why it nearly killed Cowl), it explains why Kemmler never did the Darkhallow when he could have used the power to crush the White Council, the only Starborn body around from previous generations was already occupied by Drakul, and I doubt even Kemmler fancied taking him on.

It may be that there is a physical limitation on a mortal absorbing too much power unless it is through a construct like a Mantle, or mother Winters Walking Stick, or they are a Starborn.

Agree on Drakul being in a Starborn body- I'd propose that the body unexpectedly put a bounds on his ability to manifest, like it was itself a miniature living Outer Gate, and that's why he's stuck.

Agree that Harry was intended as a Kemmler vessel, or a vessel for Justin doing a Corpsetaker. Talent needs to be developed to not wither, so Harry needed training regardless.

Disagree on Kemmler not having done a Darkhallow. I rather think he must have done at least a preliminary test-of-concept version, but it was limited for some reason- perhaps because he wasn't starborn. May have limited him to a certain "volume" of ghost consumption- the prize, I think, is to do one at Demonreach, which he would well understand.

Also disagree on available Starborn. I think Rashid is one. Mab and Titania might be. Hell, maybe that's part of the White King's secret and why he'll do deals with Outsiders. But Harry, with a powerful wizard talent and affinity for the more destructive aspects of it, is a prize of a starborn host.

I'm in agreement with Mira about Harry's father mattering, even if it's in a literary sense- in a "in the end what matters is that Harry is more Malcolm's son than Margaret's" story-sense. Everything sees his mother in everything he does- her power, her secrets, her talents, even her height- but what's inside isn't corrupt in the same way. Harry isn't a saint, but even the Temptress among the Fallen couldn't corrupt him. He's. . .excessively centered in himself. He's capable of doing evil he agrees to, and only when he agrees to it.

That's what I see, anyway, and I find it an interesting character to be the hero of the story. He's not necessarily nice, but he's . .independent. It's his choices. He's centered in that. Doesn't accept coercion.

In White Night Lash Harry;

Perhaps I'm wrong, but that sounds way more complicated that finding the right place at the
right time to give birth.  It takes planning, time of conception and matter of conception is very much a part of that.

Magic is generally inherited from the female line and exposure to talent prebirth.

I rather think the deal with Maggie Sr is that she mastered the Ways young enough as a woman to guarantee a wizard-level offspring born whenever she picked via time manipulation via the Ways. The trick is a starborn with metaphysical capabilities. Since the Fomor favored the talented for their modification, I suspect Listens happens to have Paranet level talent. Maggie was still fertile when she attained that level of Ways mastery, and as a female wizard could guarantee foetal exposure to high level magical energy.

But Harry has a big, big talent. And not by chance. I think Maggie hacked the process, and her amulet represents the ability to create an army of starborn wizards next time around.Therefore, it's dangerous and the Merlin will want it smashed.

I think Thomas was a test run, with Valentine's picked for sentimental reasons. He might represent a 5 month objective 9 month subjective pregnancy kind of situation, as could Harry. Or vice versa- 9 month subjective 5 year objective.

Also, @Yuillegan, I think Edinborough represents the Erlking's old digs- his contribution to Odin's pet project.

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It's never been stated where he was born...but considering Chicago is the centre of everything I would say it's more likely than not.

If you think about it in a Doylist sense working backwards, where else makes sense? Where else would you put 40,000 beings that is also significant to the series?

That rules out locations important only to Harry (e.g. Hog's Hollow or whatever). Harry's early years are very vague - we don't know where Margaret was when Harry was born (although likely this is kept secret for a reason). However, given that Lord Raith the White King was in Chicago with Margaret Le Fay (at one of the White Court's main locations at the Raith Chateau) - he even has a picture of her there, and her other son spent most (if not all his life in Chicago) - it seems more likely than not.

But I am open to other suggestions.

I did a back of envelope sonewhere else on here.

It's a window of time. When Harry was born- circa 1970- that number represents something like a half hour or hour (I misremember) of births.

Hold on there Tex.  Where did we learn Kemmler is the former Warden of Demonreach?

A WoJ last year.

He wasn't the last-there were two in between.

Kemmler was trying to get back to the island for much of the 19th century

1. Who cut out Ethniu's eye?
Obviously would have to be something big, both literally and figuratively. It's our assumption that the Black Council are the ones who gave her the Eye, as it fits their M.O.

That being said, it could have been another group. Say, Tessa and Imariel and her more chaotic Denarians? They all love chaos and destruction. But also, what about the Outsiders themselves?

I could definitely see He Who Walks Behind having a role. He's been established as more than a demon, more than a hitman; he's a manipulator and a peer of Uriel. So he could definitely tear out the eye of a Goddess. He also could be large enough to leave such big scars. We have to remember that anything that could scar Titanic Bronze on a Titan is a serious being.

Another candidate is Lucifer himself. But why he would get that involved is harder to work out.


2. Is Ebenezar a Denarian?Now, it could just be about the amount of power in the staff that Ebenezar was putting into it. But. I seem to remember Harry's own runes on his staff used to glow the same color when using magic while he possessed a Coin. Considering how angry and barely controlled Ebenezar is...I could see a Denarian egging him along. One of the big things with Denarians is the reveal, the sucker punch. It would be quite the surprise to learn he is a Denarian.

The question is why? He already is a wizard, so he has power. He already wields the Blackstaff, so he already has a dark deal. Why get another? And when would he have done it? Why isn't he aiding the other Denarians?

Hard to say on any accounts. Perhaps, like Mab, he needs all the power he can get to do what he feels he has to. Cowl felt much the same. Simon even expressed sentiments of frustration on the limitations of being a wizard in the Paranet Papers. When he would have done it is impossible to tell, but I would guess it would have been before the Blackstaff was his (in this hypothetical scenario). And perhaps we just don't see him aid the other Denarians because it's all in the background. Or perhaps he is a rebel (along with his Fallen) and doesn't care to help the others. Or perhaps...he is leading the other Nemesis-infected beings, and he and his Fallen are in the same boat.

I assumed it was Ethniu herself that pried out her own eye.

Perhaps the Blackstaff plants something like a Shadow itself, and that was what Eb was revealing during the battle?

Regarding: Lasciel.

I read that as, from her POV, that Lash was her daughter.