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DF Reference Collection / Re: Questions
« on: March 14, 2012, 01:21:09 PM »
Quote from: khatre on March 14, 2012, 01:10:29 PM
Fae (like Toot) have mass and dawn does not effect them. (as far as i know) Stronger fae (like Mab or Lea) also seem to have mass BUT they may have had an origin outside of the NN.
The fae that have been effected by dawn do not have bodies or mass (Bob maby others i do not know about).

I thoug about they having mass because their origin was outside the nevernever, but than it hit me, they are older and older than mankind, by the erlking talk in DB I understood that he was running around with the dinousaurs... So whatver migrated from the real world to the nevernever was something older than the dinousaurs.. How that evolved to what they are today is strange.. One would assume that whatever walked there did not have the inteligence the Fae have now a days, so how could two diferent especies, separeted from million years, in two totally diferent ambients are so similar (ok mankind and fae are diferente, but not as much as man kind and dinosaurs for example)..



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DF Reference Collection / Re: Questions
« on: March 14, 2012, 01:01:59 PM »
Since we are asking questions, Ghosts are destroyed by Dawn, and other creatures of the nevernever can also be wipped by dawn (I think Dresden mention in SF that he dawn would handle the frog demon, but that it was to far away).

It's explained in the books that creatures from the nevernever grab materia from the nevernever to build their bodies in the real world, even the phages in PG turns to slime after Harry destroy them in Splattercon!!!

So, how would the fae handle the dawn if they got caught on it? Shouldn't it disrupt the their conection to the nevernever and sending they back there? Or are they only weakened like a wizard crossing a threshold?

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Questions
« on: March 14, 2012, 12:34:23 PM »
Quote from: Serack on March 14, 2012, 12:13:40 PM
Another related question that I have pondered a few times though, is why can the prison spell withstand so many sunrises and sunsets that typically degrade Harry's workings?  The best answer I can come up with for that is that somehow an empowered circle is a different kind of magic than the workings that are degraded by passing of the day, or somehow Harry is actively maintaining the prison in his mind through some effort...

I'd say that since the circle is inside a treshhold, in the books many wardens are built over threshold because they are a constant power source fulled by the people living there, so we could arguee that the dawn afect the treshold witch heals itself everyday. That's why an abandoned house would not maintain a threshold, it would in time be eaten away by dawn.

 And as for passing of time, I'd say diferente from the enchanted object, a circle is a perfect structure there is no energy loss on it...




 


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DF Reference Collection / Re: Questions
« on: March 14, 2012, 11:02:33 AM »
Two possibilities came to mind for me,

One is about the williness to break the circle. In SF Harry wanted to disrupt the circle, so trowing the film can did it, note that he only disrupetd the spell, the circle was still there, if victor would start again for example he wouldn't need to draw a new one. In DM, he did not had the intention to break the magic energies of the circle, so they didn't break.

So it could be that there is need for intention to break the magic of a circle just trowing something in to it. If he has for example spilled the cement over the steel ring, it might have broken the circle anyway, because it would have damaged the circle it self, not the circle energies.

Or option number two, Jim made a mistake..

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Black Council "Recruitment" [GS Spoilers]
« on: January 24, 2012, 07:28:26 PM »
It makes sense, but such a White Court would be weak and not of much use for Cowl. I think after he faield he went for the if I cant have it nobody will..

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Black Council "Recruitment" [GS Spoilers]
« on: January 24, 2012, 06:57:12 PM »
I think Peabody was more of a mercenary type, I don't think he knew much of what was going in the BC, he probally was promised in after he finished his high risk mission of infiltraiting and "poisoning" the white council..


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DF Reference Collection / Re: Black Council "Recruitment" [GS Spoilers]
« on: January 24, 2012, 06:27:37 PM »
I see the BC as a group of individuals that have a common goal, and when there is something that need to be done, is given as a task to an individual, instead of the whole group trying to acomplish it. What explains why the resourses of the BC seen so variables..

As for White Night (any reason you keep writing White Knights Serack?) I'm not sure what to think, I can see Cowls move as someone trying to regain control of the WC by putting the Malvora family in power and later replacing Lady Malvora with Vitto.. It makes sense, since the idea I got from my frist reading, that his objective was to bleed the white council by dennying them new recruits in the long term, dosen't fit with the BC actions that seens to be aiming something not so far away. What dosen't make sense, is why try to destroy the whole WC leadership after the plan failed? Did he belive Lara would work aganst him, or just for a chance of killing Harry?

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DF Reference Collection / Re: A Fallen scorned (GS spoilers)
« on: December 14, 2011, 06:21:59 PM »
Quote from: jimmercubed on December 14, 2011, 06:00:06 PM
Tl;Dr: Lasciel plays long term. Why settle for a short-term, destructive goal?

Hell hath no fury for scorned woman?? They dont tend to be pratical in these situations, especially since as Mira pointed, she is probally also furious with Lash.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: A Fallen scorned (GS spoilers)
« on: December 12, 2011, 05:44:41 PM »
Quote from: Mira on December 12, 2011, 02:13:57 PM
Now one has to ask the question, if that was indeed a projection of Lasciel whispering to Harry in Changes, why did she push for his suicide rather than try to get him to take up the coin?  Harry was desperate enough to become Winter Knight, was he also desperate enough to trade his soul to save little Maggie?  If so, why not offer?  Or was Lasciel rejecting Harry now as a host, going instead for revenge because she was so soundly rejected.

I find it pretty simple actually Mira, Uriel says in GS that the creature knew enough of mankind to know exactly what kind of decision it would take. So Lasciel (Assumin she was the whispering shadow as I belive) would know that if Harry needed power he would go first for Mab. Since she was the lesser evil, and if you analize it the option with best probability of succes. She would heal him at the moment and could provide help instantly. While the Denarian were hardly all together somewhere in the world where Harry could call them instantly... And the Darkhallow, would take to long to make, plus since wouldn't be done on hallowen, without the spirit borders being weakned and without the erlking being summoned, would give much a smaller booster than it was mentioned in DB. So both Darkhallow and the Denarians would actually need time to pull it off, that if you analize, Harry did not have.

So Mab was the logical conclusion, and Lasciel knew Harry would go for her. Even if he bluffed Mab about the Denarians and the Darkhallow. So she knew that the best she could acomplish was get him to kill himself..

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DF Reference Collection / Re: A Fallen scorned (GS spoilers)
« on: December 12, 2011, 09:44:19 AM »
While I personally belive a denarian shouldn't be able to influence a possible host, beside the construct they put in their mind to tempt them. We have no proof of it. So maybe we are doing a lot of noise about Lasciel not being able to whisper for Harry, when it's possible that it's completely under her power to do so..

Also, there are a lot of explanations that could allow Lasciel do whisper like that, Nic and the other nickleheads could have helped her by recovering her coin and making some kind of spell, Lucifer could have helped the Denarians again...

I don't think there is such thing as the church not warding the coins right.. While it was under Harry wardens, he could acces hellfire and Lash and Harry kept saying that if he wanted he could summon the coin at any momment... So, I dont see Harry warding of the coin doing any good... Maybe only stopping other person to pick up the coin..

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DF Reference Collection / Re: A Fallen scorned (GS spoilers)
« on: December 09, 2011, 09:40:24 AM »
The WoJ say that both Demonreach and Mab had a proxy in both conversation at Harry's grave, so we can take conversation number 1 Inez = Mab Proxy, Eternal Silence = Demonreach Proxy. Conversation number 2 Lea = Mab Proxy, Eternal Silence = Demonreach.

So it kind rules out Lash or Lasciel being at those scenes. Of course, Lash or Lasciel could be Inez while being proxy for Mab, possible, but I find hard to belive. Lasciel especially.

So I'll keep idea that Lash = Parasite, Lasciel = Whispering Shadow.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: A Fallen scorned (GS spoilers)
« on: December 08, 2011, 11:17:07 AM »
Beside, while Jack say it was kind of a fallen angel, Uriel confirms it was a fallen angel. One could say that Lucifer is a fallen angel, but one also could say that is actually a fallen Archangel, what would remove him of the pool of candidates for the whispering shadow...

After a lot of discussing, re-reading, interpreting woj, I'll keep with the theorie of Lasciel = Whispering shadow and Lash the parasite. And that the headaches he had in TC was the damaged part of his brain healing up. And that it has finished healing by the end of GS, but not by Mab in changes, since he asked to restore his body to health, and that can be interpreted in a thousand ways..

Edit: Also aganst Lash being the shadow there is Uriel word that the shadow was an angel a long time ago, While lash has never been an angel, but a construc made by Lasciel..

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Harry Dresden, Most Wanted [GS Spoils]
« on: November 11, 2011, 04:24:56 PM »
Quote from: MartyTaylor on November 11, 2011, 04:18:47 PM
But why would the White Council start helping him now?

In order to maintain the passage through winter domains?

Talking about the passage, was it linked to the duration of the RC war?

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DF Reference Collection / Re: A Fallen scorned (GS spoilers)
« on: September 15, 2011, 04:56:58 PM »
Rogue, the nature of Uriel is a discussion I'm having for the third time with neuro I think.

So I can say I know how he neuro (sorry again) sees Uriel (and I'll boldly try to explain it):

We dont have enough information to know if Uriel is a good guy, and characters that we can "trust" like Bob (rarely wrong) and Mab (cant lie) have said he is dangerous. He has a goal that we have no idea at all and it's probally does not concede with Harry best interests. For all evidence we have he's not helping Harry, but manipulating him to achive his own goals.

Or something close to that, correct me if I'm wrong Neuro.

While, I belive that even if we dont have enough information, or ever will, to understand uriel motives, all the evidences we got of him so far shows a good character that will try to do the less damage possible to people in order to achive his goals/orders/master plan. And if it is inside his limitations there is a chance of helping the "good" guys he will. And I addmit he is "cold" enough to take some high risk tattics to achive his goals ( like sending harry out as a soul) thats why he is represented in the series as Heavens Spooky or Heavens Special Operation.

Ok, there are two really resumed descriptions...


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DF Reference Collection / Re: A Fallen scorned (GS spoilers)
« on: September 15, 2011, 01:48:51 PM »
I see Bob's warning as that Uriel can be a very dangerous entity, and as a way to warn Harry that only because he's an archangel dosent mean he is all nice and sweet, that he can be harsh when he must/want to.

I take all we have seen from Uriel, is that as long as is inside his limitations, and it does not go against his/the WG plans and rules if he can help people he does.

The fun part of it, is that does not how much we try we could not understand him. I mean we could have a lot of information that points towards that he could be manipulating everyone in the series, but in his POV he's not, thats just the way he is.

You can take the GS passage when Harry demands from him to know how he friends were. And he says something like that
- Well, I belive that if we see from your perspective your right.
Not that he desagree from Harry, just that for who/what he is he never thougth on that possibility before. And the fact the he is willing to admit and act upon it, I belive shows part of his character.

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