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It's april 2nd rapidly approaching april 3rd, a bit late for an april fools joke don't you think?

It's all about the spirit..

Give Shecky a breake, dont cut him short..

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Damm.. nice job on CD and the BAT covers..

But still, this was mean...  Raised and crushed my hopes..

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Questions
« on: March 20, 2012, 05:15:44 PM »
Monoc Industries must have a division dedicated to cleaning up supernatural evidence.

Wonder who's paying that bill?

I'm pretty sure the winner looted a lot of interesting things out of CI.. And being the first to know the RC was gone, Odin would have moved quickly acquiring a lot of the RC resources around the world.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Dark influences on Harry
« on: March 20, 2012, 04:52:43 PM »
See, I never liked that part. It wasn't his first cold blooded killing. He killed Grevanes drummer (for the life of me I can't remember his name). Granted, the guy had been cutting on him, so it wasn't exactly without cause, but it was certainly a killing not in self-defence. He was already safe by then. Also granted, it was Mouse that did the killing, but Harry was the mind behind the deed.

Not trying to get into an argument about the nature of the killing of slate, but imho Harry is wrong about it being his first cold killing, even if it was a step about what he'd done before.

Thats the murder Richard is talking about... Not Slate

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Dark influences on Harry
« on: March 20, 2012, 10:47:08 AM »
Harry ressurect Sue's? I know she isn't human but, its necromancy anyway.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Questions
« on: March 19, 2012, 07:52:12 PM »
I disagree--he used the word "destroy," not "kill." Harry felt that becoming the Winter Knight would destroy him--destroy Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden, the man he had been and replace it with a monster. He chose to avoid that destruction by dying. There's a distinction there that needs to be made.

Does not change the fact that the whisper didn't push him to accept the WK mantle, only how to deal with it.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Questions
« on: March 19, 2012, 02:16:55 PM »
It's your metaphor. Either way, he didn't even consider it the first time around. That's my point.

I understand your point, but I personally belive that the whispering did no push him to accept the WK mantle. I feel like, when there was the whispering, Harry didn't worry much what to do later, he quickly decided to kill himself. But in the second part, he still didn't know what to do later, and this doubt led him to think in other options he didn't before.

Changing subject, assuming the whisper influenced Harry to become WK, wouldn't Mab have a debt to the whisperer?

To use your analogy, without the shadow, harry decided to turn around and run up the down escalator as hard as he can. He may go down, but it will be fighting hard every step.

That's my point, he would have to get to the ground anyway. Jumping was the easy way out. The stairs was the hard way. Picking the easy or the hard (that is the choice the whisper affected IMHOP) way wouldn't change the need to get to the ground.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Questions
« on: March 19, 2012, 01:23:50 PM »
See, the second time, he tried to use a hang glider affectionately named Uriel first. The first, after the whisper, he didn't even consider his hang glider.

Nop, the second time it was more like: Maybe I don't need to get down there, I can ask to the archangel to bring the ground up here.
Asking Uriel is trying to make a diferent first decision (where to get power from), it does not alter the second (how to avoid becoming a monster)..

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Questions
« on: March 19, 2012, 01:13:32 PM »
Okay. End result is the same, in either case. I just think the road to get there also appears to have varied between the two times that he came to the decision.

I see the road like this, Harry in the top of the empire state. He has to get down there. (Get down there is the decision to grab power from Mab). Now how's hes gona get down there? (What he's gona do after he becomes the WK) So, normally he would take the stairs (longer and harder way), but because of the whisper he decide he will just jump.. (Quick and "easy" way out) (Plus stupid).

So there are two decision he has to make, I don't see the whispering affecting the first one, only the second.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Questions
« on: March 19, 2012, 01:00:51 PM »
I don't disagree with you at all, but my point is that he had to decide both together, or he'd never have decided to kill himself. Harry wouldn't kill himself without having some way he might succeed. Whenever he's decided to kill himself in the past, there was either a glimmer of hope or at least the impression he could accomplish something. To decide to kill himself, he had to decide to become the Winter Knight, since she couldn't hope to trick a Denarian into letting him die, nor could he undo the deaths that would be needed for a dark hallow. Mab is demonstrably fallable, which made her the logical choice.

The whisper pushed both actions at once, probably with the ultimate goal of convincing him to kill himself, but, counter to what Peregrine said, it was not just the one action.

I desagree, Harry knew he woudl have to go for power from Mab or another source he didn't like, he alredy had that decided. What he didn't know is what he would do to avoid becoming a monster after that.

It's like this:

I need power, I'll have to take Mab's offer, but and after? What I'm gona do? Well it's all my fault, so I'll just suicide and avoid becoming a monster.

This whisper triggered how he was going to do his deal, not the deal itself.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Questions
« on: March 19, 2012, 11:35:18 AM »
You may be right, but based on the evidence, we can only conclude that the Whisper pushed him into both decisions. The phrasing of the whisper was to show that he was weak and a failure, but the decision to kill himself only came as part of concluding that he would have to accept becoming a monster. He had to make both decisions together.

Even if you argue that Molly's memory monkeying gave him a chance to make the same choice again, he took much longer to come to that conclusion, weighed his options and finally arrived at the same point. The whisper was probably aware of that, but it needed to push Harry into both decisions to get him to commit suicide. Harry wouldn't just kill himself. He'd make his life worth something first, make his death worthwhile. All I'm saying is that Harry needed to decide the one along with the other.

The prhasing of the whisper was for him to feel guilty, like he is not good enough. Forcing him to belive that he will probally fail again after he becomes WK and turn in to a monster. And because of that belive he had to kill himself. 

He would turn to the WK mantle anyway. He may have pretended to have other choices but he didn't. There was no time to pull a darkhallow powerfull enough, and there was no time to band the denarians together or even if he could, to be sure they would work together or even if they would have enough power to beat the RC.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Questions
« on: March 16, 2012, 08:02:26 PM »
No, it's the easiest candidate for the parasite.  It could be something that's not directly been shown yet, but mentioned.  It could be an outsider, and be the reason Harry can harm them the way he does.  The parasite could be anything.

Ocam's Razor usually do it.

If you get the time to check the WoJ's, (you can find most of them on Serack's thread, and the newest ones at the thread he ask help transcribing them, or with the forum search device, just take effor, if you really want to read you can find it) you will find WoJ's saying that
Both Lasciel and Lashiel appear in GS. I belive one interview Jim said Lasciel, the other day he confirmed Lashiel, and I don't remember correctly but also there was one he mention both of them.

And there is another WoJ that Lashiel appears near the end of the book. That leaves her with only two options, Parasite or Whispering Shadow.

I ruled out Lashiel as the Whispering Shadow, cause she dosen't need a shadow to whisper to Harry, she's inside his head, also would be aganst her interestd to have him killed.


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DF Reference Collection / Re: Questions
« on: March 14, 2012, 02:49:23 PM »
Lash stopped whispering (well, playing Rock & Roll) as soon as he empowered the circle at the end of Death Masks. She didn't need to stop; it's not like she was inside the circle, after all. If you don't think that was Lash playing along, what exactly do you think happened?

Actually I think he stopped Lasciel direct whispering and conection to her shadow. Lash mention in DB she couldn't contact him before he used hellfire on purpose. So warding the coin did have some kind of effect.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Questions
« on: March 14, 2012, 02:11:26 PM »
Fae are a species that literally grow in size as they grow in influence and power. Their evolution is at least partly due to their use of the Stone Table as a conduit of power and responsibility. They probably did not look human at all before our monkey forefathers descended from the trees, but were probably smart enough to change themselves once they realized how influential we were. Even so, they still retain quite a few non-human traits in their makeup.

So we could assume that their apparance and ways are much influenced by whom they interact in the mortal world? In other worlds the apparance they have now is not the same they used to? As they went on doing deals with Humans and interact with them is that they got to be what they are now?

I find hard to imagine they doing deals with anything before we showed.. Also If they were diferent then they are today, where they got the obligations/influence perk that allowed they to grow, if it didn't existed before mankind came along..

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Questions
« on: March 14, 2012, 01:29:06 PM »
No, Faries are part mortal, so they have physical bodies.  Don't forget that RCV's leave remains when they die too.

But how are they part mortal, if they were walking around way before mankind showed up? I can  swallow that they evolved from the same fish we did, but that got lost and went to nevernever... But then there is the evolution problem we I mentioned in my other post..

It would be very nice to have Mother Winter and Mother Summer for a talkshow with Larry Fowler to clear some of this doubts..

I don't think Erl's comments makes him older than the dino's...  He could be, but they aren't confirmation of it.  He just recognized that T-Rex hasn't walked the world in a /long/ time.

I happened to have read that last night.

Still he had to know the T-rex was a great hunter... For all we know he could be jus ta big buzzard eating dead dinosaurs..

I got re-read the mothers passage in SK to see if there is any mention about their age..

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