He could very well have been, but not in the traditional sense..
However Harry didn't chose to take back the coin, did he? He took the least bad of three bad options, not the easiest, the least bad.. It is all about his choices, one reason why Uriel called him a Warrior for the light, because many of Harry's choices made a difference for the better in other people's lives.. No, it isn't cut and dry, there is lots of gray, that is the whole point. Harry could still turn out very badly, or he won't.. Hey Nick may turn and become a saint, I have a sneaking suspicion that is what Uriel is gunning for.
As my point was a Doyalist one, this isn't nearly as relevant. If Jim had a plan in place for Harry to have become a champion of a Fallen Angel, then it is very Likely that fundamental Arc of the series didn't include him becoming a Saint. The fact that Jim didn't chose that path for Harry doesn't change that. You make me doubt my ability to communicate things that I thought I made clear the first time through.
Yes, but you are leaving out the whole point of the soul's walkabout that Uriel sent Harry on.. Who is to say that a Higher Power wasn't behind it, no matter what Harry thinks.. As often said before here, he's been known to be wrong.. And further just because it's Harry's understanding at the time, it doesn't make it true.. As Uriel told him in the Warrior..
One post you emphasize how much he has progressed in his understanding of soulfire, now that I illustrate how his explicit description of soulfire is contrary to a saintly act, you are arguing he didn't know what he was doing. I'll stick with the idea that he knew what he was saying when he described the power as coming from within when he defied his Higher Power.
Also, at the end of the Warrior, Harry tried to bill an Archangel for his deeds. Clearly taking a stance that if he was going to be on the clock for the Almighty, he wanted to be compensated like by any other client. Yah, it was established that he's going to do the right thing anyways. But absolutely not because of his Fidelity to the Almighty.
This hints of enlightenment for Harry as his soul journeys though life.. My contention his admission that the issue of the soul is a lot more complicated than Bob maintains is yet another small step on that journey.. I doubt he would have said that before Ghost Story.
*rubs head* How is this relevant to my claiming he used soulfire to deny the personification of his faith?
No, she cannot, but that doesn't in any way conflict with what Uriel has told him, just because a Higher Power is guiding doesn't cancel out free will, a saint isn't a puppet, a saint makes choices like anyone else... Sometimes they resign themselves to being an instrument of that Higher Power, but it is still their choice to do so.. Mother Winter is part of creation as are we all, none of that conflicts with who Harry basically is.
Um, I'm saying Mother Winter is a FUNDAMENTAL part of the powers of creation. Ancient, and part of what shaped it in the first place, definitely not "as are we all."
Who Harry is, is the fulcrum that defies higher powers, throwing off their chains and trying to bill them for his work when they assume he will do their Will simply because it's in his nature.
Lastly consider what Father Forthill told Harry in Proven Guilty, even admitting that Harry isn't a religious man.. Harry has just asked him if he really believes that God put him in place to save Molly.
Then on the next page after Harry scoffs at the idea that God has him warming up in the bullpen as one of his champions.. Father Forthill answers.
"Perhaps not," Forthill said. "But I think that you are being prepared, nonetheless."
"Prepared?" I asked. "For what? By whom?"
Forthill shook his head. "It's an old man's hunch, that's all. That the things you're facing now are there to prepare you for something greater. Something more."
Um, that's been a theme for a while, and there's strong evidence that both his Godmother, and Vadderung have been doing much of that preparing, in edition to Uriel stepping in and giving him Soulfire and orchestrating a soul walkabout in GS.
I'm questioning why I'm going through the trouble to craft responses. Am I trying to get you to concede something based upon the power of my arguments? What exactly am I arguing for you to acknowledge then? Is there a reciprocal, valid point you are trying to make that's validity I am failing to acknowledge due to my zeal in trying to prove my point?
Critical points that are important to me and drive me to argue for your equivocated acknowledgement:
- Harry has no Fidelity towards an external, sentient, willed Higher Power
- Unless Sainthood doesn't require the above, Harry is not now a Saint.
- Harry's eventual Sainthood, although not impossible is not an inevitability of the story arc.
Critical points I might be able to draw from your arguments:
- Harry displays saint like qualities.
- Harry is on a path that could be leading to Sainthood for the Almighty
I can envision a Ven diagram of the meaning of my above critical points, and my interpolation of your critical points having commonality. And thus room for peaceful agreement.
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