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DF Reference Collection / Re: The science of gravity spells.
« on: June 01, 2013, 01:32:17 AM »
Because Harry can call upon neutron star level gravity?

so why is the building still there?

 ;)

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DF Reference Collection / Re: The science of gravity spells.
« on: June 01, 2013, 01:24:13 AM »
This topic makes me wonder how much time Jim spends thinking about the physics of things and how much energy various spells would take or how much strength would be needed to lift something.

I'd say probably not much :)

Man's got enough to worry about.. lol

it's like when I crunched the numbers for the black court master in the short story.. if she can do what she did, how the frak did they ever lose??

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DF Reference Collection / Re: The science of gravity spells.
« on: June 01, 2013, 12:59:02 AM »
Well, I guess she's just that...wait for it... cool. 8)

Although, that's over a period of months. Certainly, the energy is impressive. But the power... Wait. 6.4 MILLION kW?!

we estimated the energy of the total time period to be quite a bit higher :)

it's not just enough to chill the air, you have to keep it chilled against incoming sunlight, and against loss due to convection and conduction.. the variance is caused by:

how much the average temp per month can vary (say was it a cold summer to begin with?)

how big the are was.. we can estimate the cylinder (with the isle at the center) covering Chicago, but where is murphys house in the suburbs?

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DF Reference Collection / Re: The science of gravity spells.
« on: June 01, 2013, 12:40:30 AM »
That's the waste? Holy... Wow. I guess she isn't the Queen of Air and Darkness because she had her card punched 12 times.

the idea is that any immortal, on earth, warps reality around them to match. Odin gets thunderstorms. Shaaggy cause corruption.

Mab.. makes things colder.

the six months she spent sitting on that island made it snow .. 4 feet deep.. the other side of the county.

that's a LOT of cold to be putting out.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: The science of gravity spells.
« on: June 01, 2013, 12:27:06 AM »
Ooh! Where are they?!

board auto wipes everything not saved im afraid

we concluded Mab's 'waste heat' output was between 10^17th - 10^20th Joules, based on how much power it takes it to snow across the entire Chicago area in may.. 4 feet deep

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DF Reference Collection / Re: The science of gravity spells.
« on: June 01, 2013, 12:19:32 AM »
Someone should write a book on the Physics of the Dresden Files

we've come close.. the original calculations on Mab ran about 40 pages.. and that's just that run.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: The science of gravity spells.
« on: June 01, 2013, 12:18:31 AM »
I'm wagging like a dog tail on crack here.. but on the conservative side.

imagine a cone from the center of whatever 'cancel' harry is doing. the radius will be the same as the 'area' that harry hits, then propagate upwards .. what the mass of all that air? (not the barometric pressure, the actual mass)

how much force is it going to create when it displaces?

http://www.pilotfriend.com/training/flight_training/met/atmos_wt.htm

ok, who has got a spreadsheet, some time, and feels ambitious?

 ;D

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DF Reference Collection / Re: The science of gravity spells.
« on: May 31, 2013, 11:54:40 PM »
sorry Knnn but it can't be affecting gravity, realy. what I think his spell does is borrow weight (the force of gravity) on objects in an area and concentrate it.

why can't it be what you suggest?

well, he's still there. :D

Gravity is a field.. you 'cancel' it somehow and it 'cancels' for everything.. including the several kilometers of air above the point. Which would have exploded outwards, then gotten drawn back in by your 'mini black hole'.. Im too tired to do the math, but as a WAGstimate I'd put the resulting force well into the atomic bomb category. (the initial explosion would have been more than 1 metric ton per square cm of area changed)(the secondary implosion would have been much, much worse)

Frankly, the whole city should have been redecorated..

I'd estimate it more like conservation of energy, he 'borrows' force from the objects around then concentrates it; what the vampire got hit with was the weight of several cars; not several cars, and several trillion tons of air.

 ;D

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It was mentioned in "At the Mountains of Madness", I unfortunately have not read that one (I only have the "Call of Cthulhu" compilation sadly enough), if anyone else can answer feel free.

the elder things, I believe, have wing like structures they use to fly through space by warping gravity, yes

note they are not outsiders, IMO. they are alien life forms from ancient times but not evil; they are scientists.



while not human and not friends of humans, I think in the lovecraft verse they have the best chance of actually stopping the greater evils.

after they finish dissecting us for their experiments, of course :)

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[summon target="Serack"]
IIRC...
The WoJ in my head goes a little differently. It states (paraphrasing) "who is to say they [WG and Lucifer] are not the originals? We wouldn't know." He appeared to be speculating; not necessarily a statement of DV fact.
[/summon]

yea youre right, sorry I didn't state it clearly

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quite plausible ;)

I often associate outsiders with lovecraft, but no law says Jim can't combine things. he has before :)

empty night in lovecraft is a reference to when the elder gods would return, I believe.

(its hard to be certain about lovecraft, there is no clear canon to go by)

Why would Anzu be the original godzilla? I thought that he a bodyguard who stole a clay tablet from Anu. And I was under the impression that he was an eagle that had a lion's head. Sorry my sumerian mythology is pretty rusty.

that's tiamat, from the creation myth Enuma Elish, at least according to the citations- the dragon goddess of chaos, the darkness upon the face of the deep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En%C3%BBma_Eli%C5%A1

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Naw. They'll get deleted in the future anyways and besides, the two links to the threads they're in is at the top of the OP.

Sources for your first paragraph? I'd be interested in reading more about that stuff.

id recommend hitting your library and checking out comparative religions.. the connection between Tehom and the Sumerian/Babylonian Tiamat is very highly debated; the archaeology papers ive read tend to consider it very plausible while more religious authors- especially some conservative Christians- hate it.

on the nets, some good write ups ive found include:

http://anystrom.blogspot.com/2008/08/tehom-and-tiamat-concept-of-chaols-in.html

http://www.jstor.org/stable/3141790

http://archive.org/stream/babylonianinflu00palmgoog#page/n8/mode/2up

as a non believer I can see the thematic/ linguistic/ artistic connections and understand that Abrahamic religions did not evolve in a vacuum (note the flood myth, which has similar connections) but at the same time I understand why some believers might have issues with the idea.

either way, it's common enough I think it's likely Jim may have run into it, and do you really see him turning down the chance to use the original Godzilla?





 ;)


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one thought upon Hell's bells.. silence upon the face of the deep is also a reference to Tehom, the ancient Hebrew dragon goddess, and the original Hell's Belle

there is a woj that the current WG and Lucifer are not the original, having the original dragon goddess of hell.. all 300' feet and five fire breathing heads of her.. show up always seemed very Jim to me, somehow.


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Perhaps the "is Mab evil" discussion could be moved to a new thread?

I kind of think ti should die and stay buried, frankly.

questions of good and evil are entirely subjective and very close to TT; I have been gritting my teeth on this one for the last two pages.

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A bit rough for my taste.Sure, Mab does not do evil for the sake of some abstract absolute evil. Making an example of someone can be quite effective but it can be seen as an evil act. They probably were. Read enough history and you will see  :)

Oh ive read the history, hence the comment.

but I'm not sure I agree as to the judgment of history on the whole good/ evil thing.

 ;D

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