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DF Spoilers / Re: Uriel's Seven Words, So Who is the Liar?
« on: October 30, 2023, 06:22:24 PM »
Even when I agree with you, Vin, I disagree with Uriel not being allowed to counter Mab. I believe that the strict rules constraining Uriel are only related with demonic things. Angels vs demons. I admit it would be not polite for Uriel to affect Mab's plans and it could cause other problems, but the strict rules that completely prevent Uriel from interfering are against demons and demon-related things.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Uriel's Seven Words, So Who is the Liar?
« on: October 30, 2023, 01:22:43 PM »
g33k and Sibelis, yes, that is what I meant. Not lying.
Mira, I absolutely agree about your last line about Mab and loopholes.

And yes, it is really confusing that Uriel says "Lies" and no "wrong", hence this thread is so interesting.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Uriel's Seven Words, So Who is the Liar?
« on: October 29, 2023, 08:04:50 PM »
Nobody is saying she tells lie after lie, a good con-artist doesn't do that.. Do you really think that after nearly a thousand years of having to deal with mortals and the cosmic rules regarding free will that she'd be ignorant about it?  You think she is that stupid?  The answer is no, she isn't, she also sees Harry, a star born powerful wizard as an opportunity.  In other words a powerful weapon for the Winter Court, and we've heard several times now that the reason Harry was born was to be a weapon.. So Mab isn't above twisting those cosmic rules to have her way with Harry.. To do that effectively, you have to know them very well... And Mab does.
No. Mab cannot twist the cosmic rules. I mean, he cannot choose to twist them. It is why when Harry discovered a fae lying he knew they had been nemfected. It is their own nature that has been changed. Fae absolutely cannot lie. Which makes things very confusing, like when Mab introduces herself with a vanilla name. I imagine Mrs. Sommerset is a title she wears, so she is not lying.

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The Bar / Re: New Weird
« on: October 28, 2023, 06:27:11 PM »
Yay for kittens!  :)
Please tell us about them getting home. I am super happy they will be together.

Your future trip sounds great.

You made me laugh so much with your stories about the big secret. And I hope your daughter enjoys the book when she got it. Also, Butcher Sr. next book is about to arrive too!


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DF Spoilers / Re: Uriel's Seven Words, So Who is the Liar?
« on: October 28, 2023, 12:09:30 PM »
Of course Mab can be wrong. That is what JB said. But that is not lying. If you know what you are saying is not true, you are lying. If you do not know that, you are just wrong. Mab cannot lie but she can be wrong.

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The Bar / Re: New Weird
« on: October 27, 2023, 11:42:10 PM »
Hello people! Sorry for the double post but I wanted to tell you that this was an exhausting week for my country. On Sunday, we have the general elections. No candidate got the % of votes needed for winning in one round, so we now go to ballotage, that is, a second round with only the most voted candidates competing for the presidency.
At least we already defined governors, senators, majors and all that. That is something.
The definitive election will be on November 19. But when I said it was exhausting week, it was because a lot happened in these 5 days.

Let's see how things go in my country, with the presidential elections.
1) There is a preliminary election, with includes elections within the parties. And only the parties obtaining more than a certain % of the votes (3% I believe, I do not remember it) can go to the general elections.
2) General elections, with those parties that reached the threshold only (and one candidate for party, as this is not an internal election). There are two ways one candidate can win the presidency at this stage. a) they got more than 45% of the votes. b) they got at least 40% and at least 10% of difference from the forerunner.
3) if there is no winner in the general elections, the two candidates with more votes go to ballotage (battle royale!)

Well, in this case, preliminary election gave 5 parties, only 3 of them with real chances.
In the general election, party A got around 37%, party B 30%, party C 23%, party D got 7% and party E got 3.

Now is when things got interesting. Party C did all their campaign saying their goal was to destroy party A for ever. Of course they also said bad things about the other parties, but not so bad. Party B said that party A and party C were awful, and really insulted them, especially one of the groups conforming party C (which is made of several groups). Well, after the elections, the candidate of party C and some of their supporters said they will vote for candidate B and asked their voters to do the same. But other members of party C rejected that! Most of them said both parties were bad, but every voter should judge if their vote blank (white? Vote for no one) or choose one candidate. But some others said they support candidate A because candidate C is truly awful.
In case you are interested, party E said they would never vote candidate B, but no necessarily are all going to vote for candidate A. Party D is much of a mystery but their candidate said he will no vote any candidate. Their supporters can do the surprise.
So, basically party C is a turmoil and will probably be broken. Party B is compromising with party C and some of their voters are no happy.
So, there are insults, shock and outrage all around. Party A is mostly eating popcorn but as you can imagine, things are very interesting. And will probably be in the next few weeks.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Uriel's Seven Words, So Who is the Liar?
« on: October 27, 2023, 11:14:37 PM »
Thanks, the Sibelis.

Still, I keep my interpretation. Mab did not want to change Harry into a popsicle or a monster. She can shape him in a way that pleases her...which is basically allowing Harry be Harry. That pleases her. She is absolutely trying to deceive both Alfred and Harry into believing that she could change Harry into a monster or a bad guy or whatever, but she did not really say that. Uriel intervened because Harry was interpreting those words in the way Mab wanted.

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DF Books / Re: Honestly Will the Dresden series ever be finished.
« on: October 26, 2023, 02:38:36 AM »
I think yes, the saga will be finished in about 15 years.
Would I like if it is finished earlier? Of course, but it is not my call, but Jim's.
Will I be alive when the series ends? Who knows? One can hope.

Also, HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JIM!!! AND THANK YOU!!!

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DF Spoilers / Re: Uriel's Seven Words, So Who is the Liar?
« on: October 26, 2023, 12:11:07 AM »
This is a very interesting thread, and thanks Mira for the original post.
I am more or less in agreement with Vincentric, and with some things other people said, but I thought something else.

Mab says:
"He is mine to shape as I please"

That is important for me. She did not say "I can shape Harry in any thing one can imagine" or "I can shape Harry in anything against his will". She said she could shape him as she pleased. So, if she will never be pleased changing who Harry really truly was, there is no conflict. She can shape Harry in a better version of himself, I guess, but not changing him. For example. He won't stop caring for her humanity, that who he is, but perhaps he learns how to be subtler instead of explosive. The point for me is what Uriel means withe "who you are". I think he means Harry's core, not the details.
And in my opinion, Vin is right, he is telling Harry that what HE was thinking were lies, not Mab's words but Harry's interpretation of them.

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The Bar / Re: New Weird
« on: October 21, 2023, 11:01:05 PM »
Ah yes, I've heard that in most Europe public transportation is good. It is the same in my country. Pretty much every Argentinian going to USA (except NYC or something like that) comments about how weird it is that you are expected to have a car and always use it. I often wonder how people who cannot drive (impaired people or elder people) manage.
How long does the daylight last right now?
Also, have you tried Fernet? It is an Italian alcoholic beverage, but I heard that it is quite popular in Scandinavia. Or here. It is huge here (I am not a fan, but I tolerate it mixed with Coca-Cola)

It is so good to see both of you here, boys. 💗💗💗

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The Bar / Re: New Weird
« on: October 21, 2023, 06:39:43 PM »
*glomps DC*
That is awesome!
It seems like a weird choose for a vacation, but I heard it is beautiful, so enjoy yourself!

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Cinder Spires Books / Re: Warriorborn
« on: October 20, 2023, 11:12:25 PM »
I like Aeronaut Windlass more than SOME DF books. I am particularly fond of Gwen but I like pretty much all the characters. Grimm is quite Harry-like, but I can't help but like him. And Cavendish is an stupendous villain.

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The Bar / Re: New Weird
« on: October 20, 2023, 10:47:07 PM »
https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/dd454/Paulette72/IMG_20161124_124200_zpsbn5vq8zl.jpg?width=320&height=320&fit=bounds

The picture is old, but it shows some good moments of Buenos Aires, like the ones we are living now. They are also pink-flowered trees and near my university we have some ligher pink ones and some yellow-flowered bushes, which I love.

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The Bar / Re: New Weird
« on: October 20, 2023, 11:48:00 AM »
(((((((((((((((PD)))))))))))))))))))))))
Happy birthday! I just got up but I will do the thread now.
I hope you are doing well. I am mostly nervous because Sunday are our presidential elections. I can't think in much more.

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The Bar / Re: New Weird
« on: October 19, 2023, 12:28:03 PM »
Oh, that was very interesting. I had never thought there would be such statal differences. Most of my country had the same schedule, with the only exceptions being places were Winter are too cold, so they have larger Winter holidays and more classes in the Summer.
Thanks for your detailed explanation!

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