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DF Spoilers / Re: Winter Lady Restrictions
« on: October 10, 2022, 10:18:31 AM »
But, there was still a favor given for a favor granted. Equal exchange. The price the Warden extracted was very steep, monetarily. But, even with all of the supernatural heavy hitters gathered in Chicago, the Warden was the only one that could bind and imprison Ethniu. Now she's a resource he could use. Harry effectively got paid twice for doing the same job. Plus, he holds the eye. A completely unequal bargain, but by fae rules and equal exchange.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Winter Lady Restrictions
« on: October 08, 2022, 11:13:47 PM »
They are vulnerable to mortal workings. That's the reason iron and steel are extra-fatal to them. Even so far as paralyzing them when immortal fae are penetrated by it. Way back in Death Masks (?) Harry dumped reality powder of Lea, which was mostly made of depleted uranium powder, and it burned the crap out of her.

The reason why Molly can use high tech is that the mantle has either suspended her mortal magic, transformed it into fae magic, or somehow overriden her Murphyonic field. There is precedent. Harry and Molly used to sit inside a circle to have their magic contained if they wanted to watch a movie with their friends or family. Perhaps the mantle does the same thing, traps her magic inside her body somehow and applies a skin of the mantle's magic over her.

Equal exchange is part of balancing the scales. E.G. Butters removing the rebar from Mab's neck during the Battle of Chicago. He was not bound to do so by contract or treaty. Once she was back on her feet she offered him a favor to balance their scales. Even when Harry, as the Warden of Demonreach, bound Ethniu, he was then able to bind Lady Molly to pay for all the medical aid and funeral for Chicago. Because the Warden is not bound to Winter or a signatory of the Accords. By binding Ethniu, he put Winter in his debt. Ethniu was Winter and Accorded nation's enemy. Winter had to balance the scales with the Warden.

Mab passing through Harry's threshold was a matter of guest rite. Since she was not offering him any harm, she was behaving within guest rite and allowed to enter without permission. Though, as we saw in The Law from Harry's perspective, most of her power was probably left outside.

The Svartalves made Harry's upgraded ring in his workshop. Which was copper, silver and iron, combined into one ring. He had to pay a premium for them to work with iron. I thought he'd lost it in Changes, but it was still there in PT. But, per WOJ, not everything native to the Never Never is vulnerable to iron. (At least not vulnerable beyond the usual, like being cut by a steel sword)

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DF Spoilers / Re: Winter Lady Restrictions
« on: October 08, 2022, 03:05:18 PM »
The fae can also tell the truth from a certain point of view. Mab could say that Hitler was a great hero. Despite the commonly held point of view that he was a monster. To an ardent Nazi he was a hero. Truth from a certain point of view.

Fae restrictions in general are, guest rite, tell the truth, equal exchange, iron vulnerability (really a vulnerability to mortal workings), bargains, oaths or exchanges, asking three times is a binding, summoning rituals (binding if you know the fae's true name).

Winter Law seems to (so far) be restricted to not killing mortals uninvolved with the fae, and accepting an enemy's surrender. In return for good treatment that enemy must act as your vassal until they are ransomed back to their lord.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Winter Lady Restrictions
« on: October 06, 2022, 03:35:48 AM »
The obligation against lying is Winter Law not particular to the Mantle, so Nemesis suborned Winter Law, breaking the restrictions of the Mantle would have meant Maeve becoming a undifferentiated lump of protoplasm. The same happened with the Mantleless Lea.

This fits in with my theory that Nameless became subject to Winter Law solely in order to destroy it, (he is a Demi-god of Discord, and a crooked Lawyer) his aiding Nemesis just one of the aspects of his attack. Without Winter Law then Winter would lose its coordination, massively undermining the defence of the Gates. Oh and Nameless is Cowl of course.
Slight correction. The prohibition against lying, or, more correctly, the requirement to tell the truth at all times is a fae requirement. Like the vulnerability to cold iron, all fae have this. Not just those under Winter Law or those that are part of Accorded nations.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Dragon con videos?
« on: October 06, 2022, 03:29:12 AM »
WOJ from DragonCon 2021 was that we'll see Chandler again in Mirror Mirror.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Molly's cellphone ...
« on: July 25, 2022, 11:06:40 PM »
It's a mortal cell phone. In SG she walks away and Harry sees her use it. In PT he summons her and she's using a cell phone that the mortal summoning magic lets the magic smoke out of.

Molly also thinks she can leave the circle, but when she presses a finger to it, the fingertip deforms like she's pressing it against glass.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Lara and Harry sitting in a tree.......?
« on: June 06, 2022, 10:36:21 AM »
Jim has said no more surprise kids of Harry. But the expectation of this marriage is a planned child. So, is Harry going to have a Whamp child? And how much more will it break Eb's heart to have a whamp grandchild and a whamp great-grandchild?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Battle Ground foreshadowing
« on: January 26, 2022, 03:10:46 PM »
Mab's instruction to Harry was to "Kill Molly Carpenter". Not, kill lady Molly. Or kill the Winter Lady.
Names, offices and mantles are incredibly important to the fae. Mab summoned Kringle, not Vadderung. Same person, two different names and offices. Harry bound Molly because the Warden of Demonreach did a favor for Winter, by enforcing the Accords and binding Ethniu. Winter was obligated to repay the favor and he called upon them to pay for the funerals and medical bills.
Harry Dresden, The Za Lord, The Wizard of Chicago, or the Winter Knight could not have bound Ethniu. Only the Warden of Demonreach could have bound her.
Name and mantles, kid. That's how they get you.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who is Thomas talking to?
« on: January 15, 2022, 09:45:38 PM »
Whichever. I'm sure it won't have any strong implications on Thomas' eventual fate.  ::)

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DF Spoilers / Who is Thomas talking to?
« on: January 13, 2022, 09:19:42 PM »
Harry cut off all other prisoners not in the same confinement mode from communicating with Thomas. There's only one prisoner before Thomas in 'contemplation' mode. The British guy.

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DF Spoilers / Implications of Molly's Apartment
« on: November 30, 2021, 09:02:13 PM »
Is Molly's apartment one of the ways she stays human?
Molly Carpenter owns that apartment as payment from the Svartalves for services on her part. The Svartalves are not fae and don't play by fae rules or definitions of identity. The Winter Lady may enter the apartment as long as she has good intentions toward the owner. But, Molly Carpenter =/= The Winter Lady under fae rules. Just as Kringle =/= Vadderung.
We've never seen Molly in her apartment since she became the Winter Lady. Harry dropped her off there in Peace Talks, but other than that it's only mentioned that she breezed through on brief stops to pet Mouse, play with Maggie and share some sunny chat. (Which sounds like what a teen/twentysomething would do to not make her family worry.)
Perhaps that's one of the reasons that Mab keeps Molly so busy? So that she won't have an opportunity to retreat to her apartment.
After Harry made a bargain with her, she had the excuse to go there to complete the obligation of the bargain, then she was back to the marathon of building up Winter's forces.
So, when she's inside her apartment does the Winter Lady take a back seat and the mortal Molly get to come out to play?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mab chose Molly
« on: October 14, 2021, 11:23:32 PM »
I'll be quite honest, I'ma lose my cool with you real quick. The books entirely support that position, they DO NOT support your position.

I'll break it down for you, Barney-style.

The fae lady mantles are supposed to go to the closest reflection of their court.

Lily was an undeclared changeling. Her mother was a Nixie, making her a mortal, technically. But Nixies are members of the Winter court. FLAW.

Lily said that no mortal has ever been given a fae queen mantle.

Mab confided in Harry that she was once mortal. FLAW. It's a double FLAW, since Mab and Titania are twin sisters per WOJ. Whoops! It's a quadruple FLAW, since Maeve and Sarissa were Mab's twin daughters by an Austrian composer in the 19th century, and Maeve was already the Winter Lady.

WOJ is that a person possessing a fae mantle can't acquire another one, since they would be 'full'. https://wordof.jim-butcher.com/index.php/word-of-jim-woj-compilation/woj-on-the-fae/ On this page, all the way at the bottom.

Lily was the Summer Knight and acquired the Summer Lady mantle. FLAW.

In Summer Knight, Aurora just dies. Harry doesn't even find out until days later that Lily is now the Summer lady and Fix took up the Summer Knight.

In Cold Days there's a big dramatic sequence where the mantle coalesces into a big green bird-like figure and leaps from Lily's prostrate form into Sarissa. The same thing happens between Maeve and Molly, only the bird is blue. FLAW.

These are contradictions. We are being told one thing and being shown another. Until an errata sheet is published, there's no clarity. And, FWIW, Jim has said out front, that he WILL lie to us. Until and unless it's shown and explained in the books, it's not written in stone. And even then, comic book rules apply. Harry is a rule-breaker. See also: Law of Magic 1 and 5.

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I'd be down with getting Molly free of the Winter Court. I don't think it's going to happen though. She'd immediately fall back under the White Council's domain and they'd declare her a warlock immediately.

There's going to be enough shenanigans in Twelve Months, just with dealing with Papa Raith once and for all and declaring Lara as the head of the White Court. No way could they attempt to swap Winter Ladies. Although, it's a possibility for the future books.

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Just my take on it, but Molly's soul is not currently in jeopardy. The fae courts had to have been set up with TWG's approval. It's the only scenario that fits with TWG kicking out all the small G gods or making them surrender their immortality to continue to interact with humans.

If the courts were set up with TWG's approval, then TWG had to know what it would do to the mantle wearers. And how their choices would shape their destinies. And that making those choices, gaining power, and losing free will, would cost them personally.

I mean, it's not like TWG isn't all about sacrifice on behalf of others.

Mab was just twisting Harry and trying to make him doubt his course of action. It's her way of trying to exert control over him. And that's a losing gamble, no matter who you are.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mab chose Molly
« on: October 14, 2021, 07:20:00 PM »
My point is, we don't know the mechanism and criteria for choosing the lady when the mantle opens up. There's been conjecture, but it's not knowing conjecture. The only people who know are the fae queens, and mothers. And that doesn't include the ladies. Because I get the feeling there's gaps in the intellectus the ladies are privy to. And even if they knew the whole story, neither of them could relate it to Harry.

Bob, like Harry, is not an unimpeachable source. Most of the time he's near enough to absolutely correct. But even back to Fool Moon, he listed all the werewolves, but missed Tara West's type of werewolf.

I think we're going to get the whole spiel on the fae courts, how they came to be and how they operate. But the only person who can tell that story is Mother Winter and we'll probably have to wait until the BAT to get that story.

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