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DF Spoilers / Re: WOJ search for Uriel/Odin deal for Murphy.
« on: December 17, 2023, 02:23:33 AM »
Heh, heh, ha, ha hhhhhaaaaa? She abandons "her people" every time she chooses to risk her life, when she chooses to be a cop in spite of her families desire. Every battle, every fight... Was she at the Murphy homestead, or even her own during the battle of Chicago? No. She was with dresden fighting the good fight where she saw it needed fighting. You say she wouldn't abandon "her people", I say she does so actively with every choice she makes in the series. She outgrew her family before we even saw, and actively outgrew her position at S.I, then legal enforcement(she's been a vigilant for how long now?), her morals to work with Marcone, ect. Only thing she hasn't given up on was Dresden, even when he died 👀 and her will to fight.
And I'm not really sure why MM Murphy matters to my original theory but..
Ahhh, but if you paid attention to the divergence, then you noticed original Murphy path without Dresden was not good. she was filled with erranous judgements and preconceived attitudes that didn't balance out. MM her without Dresdens positive influence...(he brought her into the loop for SK)Isn't going to be entirely good per say even if she's fighting against evil. I expect her to end up a corpse by the end of the book quite frankly with all the implications that implies.

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DF Spoilers / Re: WOJ search for Uriel/Odin deal for Murphy.
« on: December 14, 2023, 03:08:01 PM »
..... I always think you fail to grasp what I'm actually saying but choose to respond to what you THINK I said. But that Murphy coming here is... Acceptable.
However, your failing to combine the MM Harry method of cross dimensional summoning with basic revival. He'd be drawing her ghost across space and time(from the nether, the NN, an all the fun interconnected stuff) before reviving the original timeline Murphy in a timeline where literally nobody actually knows her besides him. And then they go home.
Murphy part of the once and future king trope, she's coming back(there's 3 I realize, same way the split always happens) that's not up for debate so much, Dresden breaks rules, that is not only known but directly connected by woj to this topic. 🤷‍♂️ Believe you-me, I DARE NOT say anything here unless I've already covered my ASP when I post it. It gets right asinine when I post a non connected theory and the first thing that happens is "no" "nice but actktually" followed by opinions on the theory. Like frfr, you can't stop it, I usually don't care, and that one in one million neurodivergent person who might actually hold the conversation I want to have is scared away by the insueing 💩 storms. Hence why the neurov left, specifically. It's not unknown here at all.
I'm going to insist on pointing out it's silliness every time.. I can post pics to a basic FB conversation devolving because of this direct thing
Yes, it was all very smart and good of you to defuse the other day Geek, because I am on the defensive sub routines. But do examine what keeps putting me there please and thank you. 👀

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DF Spoilers / Re: WOJ search for Uriel/Odin deal for Murphy.
« on: December 14, 2023, 09:13:35 AM »
Nice loophole, but... Murphy ain't gonna be willing to leave her own people behind.
what people? She's going with Dresden. Her whole crisis of faith revolved around Dresden and she came to believe in HIM. He ain't gonna call her and then just go home without her lol. There's a complicated set of circumstances I could see.. but that'd just be telling lol.
On Murphy's faith tho, she believes in fighting the good fight, period. Dresden just exists anywhere the most important battle is happening. She ain't going to stop fighting that fight, even compromising lesser values to work with people like Marcone to get the job done. Go to anywhere in Murphy's arc all the way back to the short story that started it all. She doesn't care if it's not her business, out of her league or outside her jurisdiction. She's there to throw hands and pass judgement on anyone she's perceived deserves it. Craptastic MM world with Evil Dresden running amok with necromancy and Blamp allies? Gonna tell me Dresden ain't gonna call her up and say,"hey, I can get you this corporeal form, can you help?" And 1 Dresden 2 Battle. Ain't no way she's gonna be sidelined on that offer.

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DF Spoilers / Re: WOJ search for Uriel/Odin deal for Murphy.
« on: December 13, 2023, 04:19:49 PM »
 :o sooo I'ma make a nice lil theory based of this conversation
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DF Spoilers / Re: "Hooded one" is hood. Odin is Cowl.
« on: December 07, 2023, 06:05:12 PM »
You are entitled to your opinion and I mine...
when discussing laws anyone's opinion is far from relevant. In your opinion it's not murder to premeditatedly plan out a scenario where you can kill the victim and get away with it? 🤷‍♂️ Opinions are moot on that one. We can dissect any bylaws under any civilized nation. General consensus beats someone's opinion about the legality of taking a life. Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

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DF Spoilers / Re: "Hooded one" is hood. Odin is Cowl.
« on: December 07, 2023, 02:11:46 PM »
  Personal opinion, that's a killer, not a murderer, interesting, while the quote you sighted talks a lot about killing, it doesn't call him murderer.
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DF Spoilers / Re: "Hooded one" is hood. Odin is Cowl.
« on: December 07, 2023, 08:50:41 AM »
Then you are not capable of murder.... Murder is a deliberate act done in cold blood, not something someone would do with a flinch.
no. And I can cite 1200 page epic as my source material.
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DF Spoilers / Re: "Hooded one" is hood. Odin is Cowl.
« on: December 02, 2023, 04:42:33 PM »
Heh, so just thinking about the parallels with the Dark hood makes me laugh. I
Thinking on it tho, I could basically see "cowl" as his dark avatar. Someone who does in fact have elements of outright evil but is helmed underneath by someone good...
The proper set up, with mirroring.. would be GK is Odins Dark counterpart(much to be said for him being... Thoth?, the Egyptian moon guy idk) tho, GK is inherently good. Makes me wonder... Look at it this way, if GK's role tho dark is inherently good then Odin as mirror though inherently Light would actually be Evil?
Anyway back to the cowl thing.
Mentioned is Odin and Uriel are in similar lines of work. See... This is telling to ME, because Uriel is clearly curating timelines to succeed using his interdimentional knowledge and reach. Odin is also doing similar from within his individual power. If Mab CAN be aware of her other selves I'd bet dollar's to donuts Odins the guy with a council of himself in the multiverse trading stock of information back and forth. When Cowl said he didn't see the possibility of no one getting the power of the Hallow he was being literal. As the timeline went that wasn't a possibility. What Harry did was an act of Fate(heh, big metaphor behind Bob enabling it and later working with a KotC i think) changing the timeline... Or at least changing when the Hallow was to be done and by whom, cause cowl was certain it was happening that night.
I could see Odin using a dark identity to enable good. That's inside his shtick and knowledge of how to maintain balance within reality.

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DF Spoilers / Re: "Hooded one" is hood. Odin is Cowl.
« on: November 29, 2023, 07:36:46 AM »
Possibly?
My current meta on Odin, is he's also GK and a few other masks besides Odin and Kringle.
I figure either they're all the same consciousness masquerading as different masks of identity. Or, because of the way I think the creation of DR cements the trunk of the timelines. They're all the same person from a slightly different reality threaded through itself into one.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Dabble Interview 23 August 2023
« on: November 21, 2023, 11:51:16 AM »
How do you know it doesn't have a double meaning? Jim might be creative...
lol, I mean. I assume it does but haven't sussed out how, that and woj is we don't know all the details just what Dresden understands from his perspective on this.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Is Mab autistic?
« on: November 21, 2023, 03:25:18 AM »
Lil more on Leah.. and Bob. her dual personalities manifesting reminds me of Bob, who's personality is split based on if he's powered by magic or unmagic. His shadow, though split from himself has continued to manifest as part of reality. Until their recent battle where I think I know what happened to him based on a theory about GK's soul acting as a prison for evil and DR using goodness to contain evil.
Bob first split himself which I'd parallel to Summer and Winter Queen's splitting. In their battle he subdued him with a prison inside himself I think. Evil Bob was captured by Bob after Bob severed the original connection, but the Shadow/mirror between the two still existed.

*Sigh* I've considered the nominal possibility.. she(Molly) dealt with similar things as Maggie as a child but didn't always fair so well.. cheering myself at the thought of little champions of good following dresden around during GP. "For the unborn!"

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DF Spoilers / Re: Is Mab autistic?
« on: November 19, 2023, 06:16:15 PM »
I agree, especially in the case of Aurora, we don't really know, because we never saw her before she was infected.  Actually though we have guessed that she was, there is nothing at least in the books that confirm that she was.  Is there a WOJ out there that confirms it?
yep. Don't ask me to produce it. It's not pertinent to me or mine and I don't feel like the extra work.
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In the case of Maeve it is almost as sketchy, when we first meet her in Mac's bar I think it was in Summer Knight, she appears sane.. Or sane compared to how she acts as the series moves on.
based on what we've learned, Maeve had been shirking her duties for centuries. it's not until Nemfection she can actively act against those duties. Before that she's simply being Fae while trying to fight the mantles duty. Coincidentally, just like Aurora she doesn't act "crazy" she acts human. Petty, selfish, jealous outpouring of emotional angst not based on the mantle but on the identity underneath.(another cluebat to be found with Molly. She still has enough of her human left[any will do] Nemesis is a very real threat to her mind)
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I believe that Nemesis does take advantage of the weakness in the being it infects and is let in by that being. I also don't think there are set rules,
whew do i have news for you! Might wanna go back and reread and listen to all those interviews and pay particular attention to say, the three man panel describing how to set up magic systems. This is the same kinda thinking behind Jim's too lazy to have plotted it out. That's the exact opposite of the truth of the DF and I can prove it on any world building 👀
 
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While I find it hard to believe that Maeve was tricked, I think it very possible that Justine was.
🤷‍♂️  if solving for N, repeatedly gets the same conclusion then N in the equation has a definite answer. And just like say, quantum physics and Einsteins work, if you can use that solution to consistently define things
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Y'all say you're not sure how Nemesis works or this connects or that's not aligned with DF meta rules and i say, i have invented the theory of relativity and supposite the existence of dark matter.
Now, dark matter might only BE a theory, but it's a theory that holds together through mathematical testing that readily allows physicists to computate real world math that can accurately predict planetary movements.
That's why people actually challenging my theory and not just naysaying it is so important to me. I can and have accurately described events not yet passed that have come to be and can otherwise show direct evidence for said theories coming to direct fruitation. Al la for instance, Harry killing Susan allows for a direct parallel to Nico's actions in killing his daughter so much so that going into the DF under the theory of repeating timeline/paths and shadows you can actually predict Nico's future actions based on nothing else. You can accurately make the prediction Cowl is alt Harry based on Nic being the precise inversed mirror of Harry too, because what's in direct parallel but opposite manifesting ones Denarius as a shadow blanket? Manifesting it as a fiery Phoenix like bird, such as in the wraith deeps. Coincidentally aligned with the theory of mutable time travelers..(which harkens back to a great deal of lore and connections pointed out elsewhere already such as the Phoenix firebird that Mac lets Harry drive in SF)
And ya know.. in all this time nobodies actually tested the theory properly or tried to use it to define their own pieces of the dresdenverse(which is the actual test) and that makes me sad, especially when all i usually hear are negative affirmations. I don't, I can't... as the proverb goes don't let those who can NOT stop those who are actively doing. Cause testing others theory for ourselves is what got both me and Einstein onto the same boat when it comes to peer review of our work(if you know, you know 👀 )

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DF Spoilers / Re: Is Mab autistic?
« on: November 19, 2023, 10:03:28 AM »
We've seen some other baddies with this trick.  The Whampire whispering despair in Elaine's mind... the Fallen whispering "all your fault" in Harry's.  Trying to pretend it was their own voices.

And the general "anger issues" Harry was having with the Shadow, pre-Sheila; I think that's part&parcel with the method.

Maybe Nemesis works that way; but I don't think we know, not for sure.  But... I'm slightly-inclined to think not, honestly.
mmm, why? Don't remember the original basis, but the current model is from woj about Thomas having a coin and the fact his demon would get the short end of the stick on feeding since they largely occupy the same place in him,
That place would be the mirror, which sets part of why I think the denarians are specifically designed to deny Nemesis power inside reality. The fallen hold the same mirror, representative of the the shadow/subconscious as nemesis seeks to aligned with to reach through  and use the same chaotic/apocalyptic power to feed on.

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We've seen the "conflicted" model, e.g. when Lea was flashing back and forth between Nemesis-dominated and her own impulses; or when Harry tried to get Cat Sith to break free.

We've seen fully-dominated, with Justine.

We don't really know what we saw with Maeve, or Aurora:  were they being "tricked into thinking it was themselves"?  Were they in the "fully-dominated" category?  Or were they actively & knowingly partnering with Nemesis?
mmm, and I for some of this look at GP and most of the original talking head moments on possession. Lea for instance acts alot like an addict, and I think Jim mad intentional parallel to how Bilbo behaves in LotR. Drunk with power and trying to quit it.
For Aurora I suspect both,  she'd made a deal but it doesn't explain a lot about the context of it or who actually set the price. I suspect she knew the consequences of her actions but truly thought it would bring a better world by breaking the cycle. She, like Molly does later, made a promise to herself basically. But... she shouldn't have had that bit of power to change still.. It was never Nemesis she thought she was dealing with... Only Elaine and her emotions at being stranded within the fae courts rubbing off on her.  Wizard auras aren't usually strong enough, but what about prolonged exposure to a starborn aura? I think it in itself can elicit change, that Nemesis can take advantage of in creatures specifically designed not to change like the fae.
Cat Sith.. I think Harry opened him to change, and Mab already knew it would. Harry also did something Mab took a possible eternity to do with Lea in minutes.
Justine, is also explained under the lens of possession. WCV's are addicting and she not only basically overdosed but had most of her soul ripped right out with it. It left her vulnerable to possession as would be.
As far as why Justine? Nemesis has a thing for young powerful and mentally unstable(another will weakener) females. My guess is this is her truest possible mirrored form as Nemesis the Name would imply. She has seemingly gone after Lydia, Molly, Justine, Ivy and perhaps im forgetting one or two 🤔 not counting the Sidhe, most of which shes dominated more successfully than say, Sith.
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We know Nemesis is subtle, in the "hard for an observer to detect" ways; but we don't know the details of how it approaches & interacts with hosts.

I don't think we've ever seen someone acting "puzzled" about why they did a thing, except a few times from the inside when Harry was realizing he'd had his brain bent (by Mab, or Lasciel's Shadow).
and I'm supplanting that my wall of weird linked together does explain this.
Fate/Soul/luck/active-creation/Wizardy is where Nemesis hangs. If something seems to be a part of yourself, of your own soul or how you've decided to change to be... You wouldn't expect it or think twice huh? We can linearly look at the parallel of how Peabody operated. It nudges you, makes certain thoughts louder. Gets you to make your own choices, Create as you act.(deep parallel here with how magic makes you "more of what you are") eventually that fundemantally changes who you are over time, and as the mirror comes more into focus they have more purchase through it. I don't think she's focusing the mirror just for herself tho, but for her cohorts to have vessels to claim.
Fae, who are Spirit and Body without soul except the bearer, any change in who they are is self apparent quicker with reflection, if caught quickly or not overpowered by change(transmogrify?!?)
Back to Lea tho, and this is the first time plotting this part together.. I account Morgana as being the Arthurian version of Nemesis, and perhaps the most recent physical one.(she's now Mavra I think, but different story)
Leah holds the mantle of the lady of the lake(citation DB summoning intentions) now,  something in some stories attributed it as Morgana..
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l think between it being Morganna's athema and her holding said mantle was enough to align the mirror for a direct take over attempt. But, like with Sith she didn't take over immediately. It wasn't until she went to confront mab that Mab forced the possession by reasoning with the real Leah still left.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Is Mab autistic?
« on: November 12, 2023, 05:26:36 PM »
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What I meant by the "worst" of their mantles' impulses is the elements that might push them to be the most unlike their own native selves.  Bob said the Ladymantle would change a mortal within a few years... "welcome to the new Maeve, same as the old Maeve.
And is it "something like" autism, what I'm seeing in Mab?  I do feel there's a strong case to be made that it's so.
apologies accepted.
And I'll split the difference for you and why it works that way probably.
The WK mantle makes the subconscious louder. The Shadow as described by Yung. It forces the wearer to incorporate his shadow into his conscious mindset or be overwhelmed by it.
This is by and large to make it easier to resist Nemesis, who specifically forms herself to that subconscious part and tries to trick you into thinking it's yourself.
The ladies and queens less so. Haven't quite figured out the ladies mantles as completely except to surmise the true purpose of the lady and knight is... Slightly more than copulation. Something that requires a magic they're denied as fae. Same thing that made Bonnie.
The queens don't have the same issue as the knights because they're each others shadows. Mab is the dark shadow of Titania given purpose and power in reality to deny Nemesis access to the shadow of either. It's why their balance is so important. Anything imbalanced gives Nemesis wiggle room.(off topic but I think the reason the Eldest mantles are all suspect to nfection is by design, they are the broken down aspects of the 9 part soul, the Greek muses. Eldest Gruff, with his ability to make tragedy make sense to Titania is a shoe in for the muse of tragedy, and if my theory he's in fact" ole billy goat Shakespeare" is true that'd make a lot of sense.)well, I forgot my original thread but
This differs entirely from autism, which is by and large a problem of the manifestation of consciousness, which is something that is more a sum of its parts. Imagine a holographic projector projecting the death star. The projector is the brain and the projection is the consciousness. Now imagine the projector is wired wrong. It still projects the death star, but everything projected is out of place. The projection still has all the functionality of the death star, big it doesn't look the same. It doesn't connect the same way so it's processing to get to the same outcomes is entirely different.
Consciousness is a relatively new evolution not entirely understood. I think personally autists are simply a variant of that evolution. Instead of following the Zen path of being Woke in the moment(which leads to overload) they must instead learn to program their own subroutines(which is where there is some overlap with how the mantles work)so it matters not if they're there in the moment. The subconscious Shadow has already been mastered and incorporated to do your bidding and to kick the red alert up to the conscious mind when it has an error code.
As far as if Mab was born autistic.. I'd look to Molly for the answer, who's thoughts work almost the same already. The issue is defining what or why. Autists tend to have an imbalance in the five kinds of intellect but it's usually the males who have social issues and females with shall we say 'ditzy' effects usually played off under other stereotypes like cheerleader or Blondy.
Molly though highly empathic doesn't hold for most usual indicators. An that by itself isn't one, because it's proven to be a trauma response. Autists who grow up in nice safe places of support like Michael's house don't tend to overdevelop their intuitive ability as a defensive measure to survive the presence of evil.
*Addendum. To address why the new lady will be the same as the old lady, ECT. Has to do with the mantles holding memory/being empowered by the wearer while subsuming them. You can't change the mantles without throwing yourself into them, your soul fire. It's why Molly, who's made choices as Molly that have directly effected the mantle has lost so much of herself already. There's wiggle room. But the ladies and the queens are the ghostly identities, the mantles of other being. You can only wear a mask for so long before you become it. Note, Harry has never had this issue, the mantle was refashioned through the table, cleansing it, specifically so she could remold it to Harry himself.

**Very very old theory.. but winter is the subconscious, summer the super ego, the eldest the separate parts of the soul/9 muses of the personal soul, ect.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Is Mab autistic?
« on: November 11, 2023, 11:36:54 PM »
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might push the bearer towards autism-like behaviors.

Harry and Molly are (so far) mostly resisting the worstof their Mantles' impulses
it seems your directly and intentionally taking the viewpoint that there is inherently something wrong with autistic people?
Cease. This. Rudeness. At once.
It's hardly a bad thing that I can tell you with absolute certainty
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I don't lambaste others for not seeing the things I can. However, when I'm obviously being insulted reminding people just how smart and insightful I truly am is FUN.

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