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DF Spoilers / Re: What is a Saint? (Series Spoilers)
« on: June 09, 2017, 09:13:53 PM »
I believe a saint is something else.

A saint is someone who, as Uriel describes it in the Warrior, fights the good fight in myriads of ways.

A handful, sometimes, will be acting as leaders of the flock against supernatural evils, or as conduits for a miracle, but 9 times out of 10 they will just go about their lives, helping their fellow man and making their lives better.

In that way, Father Forthill seems the best of the current crop for sainthood including his ability to detect a ghost/soul, with the likes of Shiro and (if he had died) Michael being more on course for becoming venerated martyrs (being still alive, Michael might well make the road to sainthood at some point). Harry also could easily become a martyr given his tendency to act as a Knight-of-the-Cross-bonus.

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DF Spoilers / Re: On Nemesis and Why it can't / doesn't infect Humans
« on: June 04, 2017, 10:10:39 PM »
There is an unspoken agreement between Wardens not to get captured alive by the Reds because once you are turned into a Red Court Vampire you lose your loyalty to the White Council (if it is just the fact that you turn in to a soulless monster or if there is some Sire-bond going on and the Red that turns you forces you to switch loyalties isn't specifically explained) and you will betray all the secrets you know.

As for magical abilities, it is also said directly that you retain them, but you get the vampiric/necromantic equivalent of it (Dresden describes the power source of Vampire magic as that similar to necromantic energies, un-life magic, where's mortal magic is based on life energy).

 If before you turned you could throw a lightning bolt with mortal magic, now you can throw a lightning bolt with necrotic magic. The effect is the same but on a metaphysical level it is like changing polarities and your magic does no longer count as mortal human magic, which is why the Outsiders showing up is such a big deal because it proves there are non-turned human Wizards supporting the Reds.

Of course with what we know now, I suspect a half-vampire like Martin would count as mortal-enough, and probably there would a magician or two among the servants of the literally damned Court.

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DF Spoilers / Re: If Hades shows up for Peace Talks in Chicago
« on: May 25, 2017, 03:30:05 PM »
You know, Now that I think about it, I dont think so.  He probably could act as the Tool to allow TWG destroy a fallen if that were the route to be taken, but I dont think he'd be capable on his own Power (even f her were willing to risk a possible Fall to try it).  If an Archangel could destroy a Fallen I would have expected Lucy to take that route rather than locking up only his worst 30 rivals in such a way that they arguably got /more/ powerful...

Think of it like Lara Raith and Harry. Harry is a threat to Lara, but if she can consistently point him at her enemies, why would she kill him? Likewise, why would Lucifer kill his lieutenants when he can force them to be no threat to himself while still fighting against Luci's enemies?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Lara-Nemesis-Oblivion War
« on: May 24, 2017, 09:45:10 PM »
Makes you wonder if the Blackstaff can cure infection, and Eb possessing it doomed Maeve.

I can totally see Harry beating himself up over that. "If only I had told Eb he could have helped cure Maeve, save Molly, and as an aside make Mab as good as adore me."

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I'm interested in the connection possibly adding in the Morgen of Breton fame (Murigen in Welsh, apparently), who lure people to drowning deaths like the sirens of Greek myth.

Mab has a clear connection to people falling into water (i.e. Harry's ghost trip), and for seducing humans into her domain, though not directly the sirenic attraction of the Morgen.

It seems like the kind of accidental similarity that in the Dresden Files isn't actually accidental, especially as the Morrigan is also sometimes a triple goddess (though I wonder how the Dutch/German/... morgen 'tomorrow/morning' could possibly fit in too).

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Which brings me back to my question: if Mab is Mother Winter's actual daughter (as said my Mama Summer in SK), who's the poor dumb sop that got it on with Baba Yaga?
Well, Zeus and other Greek deities were both descended from and had babies with pretty monstrous creatures (creating ever more monsters, it seems). One of them, especially Zeus, might fit (though Mab seems a bit young for an active Greek deity).

Alternatively, since they're not THAT different from the Greek version, it might be a Slavic or Norse godling.

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You know, I never actually made that connection. Reuel is basically Tolkien in the Dresdenverse (although the actual Tolkien may be a different guy). Uriel specifically leaves a LOTR book out for Dresden in SmF. If Reuel is actually Tolkien...well, I don't know where to go with that but it's really neat.
Maybe that makes LotR the anti-Grimm? As in, Grimm's tales were commissioned by Mab to preserve power for the Fae, but Tolkien's stories shifted a lot of understanding round and away from them (including, most clearly articulated in the books, the Goblins being downgraded to 'meh').

Perhaps, it fits. Most of the summery types in LotR come across as strong, with flaws to be sure, but important and viable (not least of which Feänor, the gloriously summery hero who literally burns up upon death). The wintery types are all wicked and frankly degraded mirrors. And the dwarves were Tolkien's take o the Svartalves, which is why he ahd to play nice around them.

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