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At some point, I hope we get a description of what people see in Harry's soulgaze. If not, that'd be a big time dick move after building it up all these years. heh

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No, she did not say anything against him.
Here you can see an example (I know there are others, but I could not find it) about an specific discontinuity

https://www.reddit.com/r/dresdenfiles/comments/hvhzmz/spoilers_peace_talks_did_jimhis_beta_readers_miss/

Particularly, she said:
"The betas caught it. I was one of them. I have no explanation of how the scads of errors made it into the book".

Sorry, I wasn't clear. The "quote" I gave was made up and intended to be tongue-in-cheek.

That said, in the quote you provided, she clearly said that the betas caught a particular error and that there were "scads" of errors, for which she had no explanation. Given that Jim has control over the manuscript as the author, logically that would seem to suggest that he ignored feedback from the betas. What's surprising is that she offered up that information at all as it does point a negative finger at the author.

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1. Answered in the Paranet Papers RPG Booklet. At least partially, they managed to capture Gods from another tribe feed on them to boost their own power. Repeat across South America.
2. I think the 'will' thing required all of the Lords of the Outer Night together in one place and yeah probably drawing off a ley line centre of power.

Yeah, that's part of the answer. I'd be interested in knowing where vampires (of any Court) came from originally. How did the first Hunger demon attach itself to a human? Were Red Court vamps creatures that evolved naturally(ish) and learned to make flesh masks to pass as human like another animal would find ways to lure its preferred prey? How did the Black Court obtain its power - straight from Drakul/Dracula, or was something else involved?

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I don't know that I would jump off that bridge. Cold Days was pretty good and Skin Game showed us a more adult Dresden.

In terms of the beta readers, I don't know what to think.  It's odd the she would bring it up as his, well, kinda, spokeswoman, I guess.

I was thinking that, too. Kinda throwing Jim under the bus in a way.

"Well, hey, we caught a bunch of stuff that was inconsistent and told him about it, but he decided not to correct, so.... what can ya do?"

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It does seem really weird, but IMO that's more because of the Hades' vault aspect.

Actually surviving being squished is pretty extreme, but not unprecedented in the series. Any Immortal could do that, but that's arguably not really comparable. Nicodemus could certainly do it. The "uber-ghouls" from WN might well be able to; I don't think any of them were actually confirmed to be killed by anything.

I suppose I meant cheating from a writing standpoint. I'm willing to suspend disbelief to allow for damned near anything in the books as long as there's some framework for it that makes sense - the "fact" of him regenerating, I can deal with. But bringing back the character seems pointless. He wasn't that interesting a character in Skin Game and Harry and Goodman Grey won a pretty decisive victory over him ("splat" is pretty definitive). Having him pop back up just seems kind of lazy to me. I suspect we're going to get a Harry and River Shoulders vs. Genoskwa throw-down which isn't something we needed. Meh.

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I just meant that he received money for them. And in the post I've read from Priscellie, she said that she did not know what happened about the changes. I don't know if she said something else after that.

That's.... actually a little concerning. If the betas found issues with the text and reported them, why would they not be corrected? What's the point of having betas otherwise? Was it simply a question of time - there wasn't time to update the text and still make the publication deadline? Did Jim straight up disagree with the betas? That's certainly his prerogative as the author, but hard to imagine that the notes they sent were that off after years of doing this.

I feel like there's a story with how these books got written and it would be interesting to hear, but we never will.

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DF Spoilers / Re: This Space for Hire Placard Theories
« on: August 19, 2020, 08:05:43 PM »
It's possible that it's just a power supply to supercharge whatever action Harry wants to take. The aura around each object practically burns his fingers, so we may just be looking at bringing more horsepower.

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I'm always up for more screen time for the Gatekeeper.

It'd be neat to see how big Toot-Toot has gotten by now.

Regarding the Genoskwa, I hate the thought of him being alive. Harry beat him, fair and square, and to go from flattened into two dimensions to alive and well really does seem like cheating.

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Not likely he'd answer and would very possibly get offended, but I'd like to hear the details on how the publication of Peace Talks and Battleground was structured. No secret that there was a lot of dissatisfaction with Peace Talks and the $15 price tag for a soft copy of an incomplete book (setting aside any quality issues with the story itself). I don't think Jim Butcher is responsible for that element, but would be interested in his perspective on it.

Getting an honest answer is a pipe dream, though.

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DF Spoilers / Re: A few recent WOJs - !!SPOILERS!!
« on: July 30, 2020, 07:55:14 PM »
Bad Alias - Seems unlikely as in Turn Coat Harry says they have only been there for under 500 years. Merlin founded the Council before the Church. They have had headquarters in Madrid, Constantinople and even the Vatican in the early days. I know it says that he won it in Changes but it really doesn't add up - at all. I think Harry was wrong myself. Or Jim just forgot.

Merlin was a time-traveler. Who knows what he got up to bouncing around?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Thoughts on Peace Talks (spoiler heavy)
« on: July 18, 2020, 04:57:18 PM »
Consensual non-monogamy seems perfectly in line with a Knight of the Cross to me.

The Knights of the Cross work for God, and God is love.

Agape love is a bit different from carnal love. Also, while it’s not against any rules, so far as we know, it was jarring for him to be acting that way when the series has established the Sidhe Knights as being more interested in the carnal.

Just an opinion. Regardless of whether it works, it was unnecessary and added nothing meaningful to the story. Rather, it was just empty fluff in a book already loaded with it.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Thoughts on Peace Talks (spoiler heavy)
« on: July 17, 2020, 08:30:06 PM »
His mom could track changes. The ruby is just her journal. I don't think it also comes with her natural abilities to chart ways.

The ruby has been vastly underutilized.

Man, I'd completely forgotten about the ruby. Underutilized, indeed.

You know, it would be good if he actually DID get kicked out of the White Council for a while and made them all look stupid by bouncing around the Ways for a while staying ahead of them while saving the world that they're not smart enough to save. Then he can be invited back and give 'em all the finger. hehe

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DF Spoilers / Re: Thoughts on Peace Talks (spoiler heavy)
« on: July 17, 2020, 06:16:23 PM »
Except the Valkyrie did get the drop on her, and if the boat hadn't been docked at Demonreach that could have been the end right there... So she had a couple of grenades, that would have just blown her up,  Valkyries are immortal.. She got saved because Harry as Warden of the island had the upper hand.  The impression I got was Murphy did move very slow, and she didn't leave the boat did she? 

I was referencing the scene at the Raith Estate where Murphy uses an elbow bump and puts the pistol up under Freydia's chin to convince her that Murphy could carry her weight. As bad as her injuries were, engaging in activity like that should have been agonizing, particularly as she was wincing in pain from beginning to fool around with Harry.

Getting taken by Freydia on the boat makes perfect sense given the speed and strength advantages the Valkyrie has along with who knows how many years of fighting experience. Murphy just planned ahead and, even though she'd have died, she'd have prevented Gard from aiding her employer, which would count as a loss for her and so not an acceptable outcome.

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DF Spoilers / Thoughts on Peace Talks (spoiler heavy)
« on: July 17, 2020, 04:59:48 PM »
I suspect I’ll be in the minority on this but wanted to get my thoughts down on the latest book in the Dresden Files, Peace Talks.

To put a point on it, I’m very disappointed. While I’m certain that I’d overhyped the book quite a bit in my mind because of the wait, to have a very short book loaded with unnecessary fluff and rehashing of the same interactions we’ve had repeatedly was an unpleasant surprise. (I would add that charging $15 for a soft copy of such an abbreviated work is uncool by the publisher).

So much of the book, with its already very short runtime, was devoted to concepts we’ve already experienced over and over. Examples include:

1)   The effects of the Winter Mantle – right, we get it, it makes Harry want to screw and fight. He’s been dealing with that (and monologuing about it) for the last three books now. Devoting so much time to him essentially complaining about it adds nothing to the story and diminishes the character. It would have done better service to the character to have him say something along the lines of “the Winter Mantle continued to drive me towards the darker side of human emotion, something I’d been able to mitigate to an extent through an enforced regimen of heavy exercise” early in the book – that would have acknowledged it was still there and something he had to keep in mind while moving the character forward a bit AND giving a nod towards Harry’s increased physical strength.

Side note – there is so much talk of the violence and cruelty of winter. What about stillness? Anyone who’s been outside on a snowy night in a rural area knows how still and quiet winter can be. It would be nice for some of that to come into the equation. The series deals with balance a good bit and the idea of stillness would be a nice balance to the violence, particularly if done as kind of a “calm before the storm” kind of thing. Something like, “the stillness of a snowy winter’s night settled over me as I prepared my strike” would be nice.

2)   Michael – hey, look, Harry has a moment of personal turmoil, goes to Michael, gets advice, and sallies forth… just like he did in Skin Game, and similar to interactions with Michael in Proven Guilty and Small Favor. Michael’s a great guy and a solid character, but can we maybe get some growth from Harry to indicate that the conversations he’s had with Michael in the past weren’t just wasted breath and he’s actually internalized some of these things?

3)   Murphy – yet another case of Harry wanting to protect Murphy, her telling him she makes her own decisions, and him coming to the realization that he can’t run her life for her – the same realization he’s had over and over for years. If I had a nickel. It would be nice to see her character grow a little bit and realize that she DOES have limits and that going to battle in her very limited (or not? More below) condition puts handcuffs on Harry. She knows he’s irrational about protecting the people he loves and so would be keeping one eye on the fight and one on her (which could get them both killed) yet wants to go be a distraction because “it’s my life!”

4)   Lara – Yep, super(naturally) sexy. Check. At what point does Harry put mental defenses into place, the way he’s done in the past against pain (see Small Favor) to mitigate her influence? A wizard should be able to do that, I would think. Instead, he’s still drooling all over himself with the extra added bonus of yet ANOTHER opportunity to talk about the Winter Mantle and its nasty attitude! Hooray!

Then we get into some new stuff that didn’t track:

1)   Butters – The threesome scene was totally unnecessary and felt very forced (and like a little wish fulfillment on the part of the author, honestly). I assume that Butcher is trying to show the change in Butters over time, but he’s not acting like a Knight of the Cross – he’s acting like a Knight of the Sidhe. If he’d replaced Fix, that would be one thing, but he didn’t. Having him casually threaten Harry (the whole “tell anyone and I’ll knock your teeth out”) felt very off when held up against what we’ve seen from the other Knights – but would have been perfectly in keeping with the attitudes of the Sidhe.

2)   McCoy – Well, that escalated quickly. Right from the jump, McCoy was a different character than the one we’ve known since Summer Knight. I get it, under stress, etc., but he’s been under tremendous stress before and not been so completely irrational. Then, after the underwhelming fight between them where Harry spends as much time fanboying as fighting (“Hell’s bells, was he better than me!”), we get the old “tough to learn that your parents aren’t perfect” thing – except we’d already gotten that in Blood Rites when Harry learned about the Blackstaff. It took him two years to get over that one – let’s do it again! Also, to have the setup of the White Court doing something horrible to him BEYOND Lord Raith killing his daughter and NOT say what it was seemed weak. I’d expect that we’ll get the story in the next book when Harry and Ebenezar make up and talk through things (very possibly as Ebenezer is lying in a pool of his own blood counting his last breaths), but it felt contrived that Harry, a private investigator, wouldn’t INVESTIGATE that a little more since it’s a massive clue as to why Ebenezer is acting so irrationally.

3)   Murphy (part two) - She does the staggeringly stupid thing of cutting off her own casts to go put herself in harm’s way - but not as much as should have been the case. We get the bit in the beginning about how she “doesn’t get to be [her]” anymore and yet she has no trouble putting a sneak attack on a freaking Valkyrie who is already on her guard. Didn’t really seem too burdened by what should have been crippling injuries, huh?

4)   Thomas – no time was spent trying to figure out why Thomas did what he did (or even proving conclusively that he DID do it). Based on how the Sidhe operate, if Thomas was used by someone else, he was just the tool (much like the Little Folks killing Aurora at Harry’s direction). As the situation is being adjudicated under the Accords (a Sidhe convention), wouldn’t it have made sense to figure out what the hell happened? It’s not like Harry’s not used to working under absurd time constraints.

5)   Continuity – the book mentions the Tunguska event being the fallout of the last Dragon (capital D) being killed – but didn’t Michael kill Siriothrax after that? And didn’t Ebenezer claim credit for Tunguska when talking about his dirty work as the Blackstaff? I suppose he could have been killing a Dragon, but it doesn’t really pass the smell test. And then there’s Harry talking about the last time he was in the BFS castle was when he was a ghost – except that he was there at the end of Skin Game. I get that there’s a ton of lore to keep up with, so maybe the beta readers/editor should have caught that kind of thing, but it takes me out of the story when I see something that doesn’t match up with what’s gone before.

And then just some personal quibbles:

1)   Starborn every 666 years, huh? Good thing no one’s ever used 666 as a mystical number before. Eye roll. Let’s get some “seventh son of a seventh son” action going, too, to keep the cliché train rolling.

2)   The lack of information flying around was annoying. We’ve got McCoy pulling the “I’ve said too much already” crap, for crying out loud. There are literally packs of Outsiders materializing on the streets of Chicago – maybe this IS the right time to talk about Outsider-related stuff?!? Hey, Ebenezer – what if another pack shows up when you’re not around and Harry’s by himself? Wouldn’t it kinda make sense for him to know what’s going on simply to be able to protect himself??? Clear that Butcher is wanting to drag the audience along and is doing so by dragging Harry along with dialogue that doesn’t really make sense in the context of the moment.

3)   Tying in with lack of information is Harry not telling Ebenezer up front about who Thomas is. I’m sure Ebenezer would have stormed off in a huff, but he would then have had TIME to think on it.

Side note – I know that Butcher lies in the WoJs, but in one he said that Ebenezer already knew about Thomas and didn’t really want to deal with it. Frankly, that’s a much more compelling and human approach than that a member of the Senior Council of the White Council of Wizards doesn’t even know about his own daughter’s children.

4)   Lara attacking Harry on the island even though she saw how he operated there in Turn Coat felt off. I get she’s upset about her brother, but not even ASKING what happened before attacking was a bit squirrely.

5)   Marcone, the most prepared, buttoned-up guy in the entire series, has exactly one guard on an extremely high-priority prisoner when he’s serving as a neutral location for a formal Accords matter? Really? And he’s being held in a freaking basement? Really really? No – Marcone’s better than that. But, hey, we needed a chance to show Lara’s sexiness and I guess an orgy of her seducing four or five guys at once would have been in poor taste (allusions to threesomes are, I guess, the limit).

6)   Conjuritis… Good grief… he’s gonna sneeze stuff out of the air… And everyone knows what it is but him? Given what’s going on in the book, does stupid slapstick really fit? What purpose did that serve other than goofy sight gags?

7)   Murphy (part three) – having her in the role she played relegated Goodman Grey, one of the most dangerous and capable people Harry knows who would, as a shapeshifter, REALLY have come in handy for the rescue/heist, to a bit part role. That’s a VERY interesting character – give him more airtime, please!

Now, I’m going to get the next book because I love the series and want to see how it comes out. But man, this book was a miss. Too short, rushed, and full of either unnecessary filler, stuff that ran counter to previous books, or just oddities (like Conjuritis). I’m really hoping that this book isn’t indicative of how the rest will be written because it’s nowhere near the standard Jim Butcher has set to date.

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The question I'd enjoy having an answer to the most at the moment is

Do all faeries have a weakness to iron and if so, has it always been that way or is it more like wizards and murphyonic fields?  What is considered iron/cold iron (i.e. is it the amount of iron that matters or some sort of metahysical signifigance)?

Something nagging at me from another thread - why don't the Fae have an issue with the iron in human blood? The answers in the other thread (ranging from there's not enough iron to make a difference to blood having its own metaphysical significance and weight that cancels out the metaphysical significance of the iron) are all well-thought out and plausible, but I'd just be interested in Jim's take on it.

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