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The Bar / Re: Edumacation And Enlearnment
« on: September 29, 2011, 03:04:20 PM »
Shecky- You are crazy smart.

WinterEmissary- I have hesitated to respond to your post regarding the euthanasia of your family cat because I didn't want to hijack the thread but I really do want to say something.

First, let me extend my deepest condolences to you and your family on the lost of your pet. Euthanasia is a heartrending process and the decision leading up to it is equally difficult.

As a veterinarian the possiblity of a euthansia-gone-bad is one of my great nightmares. I would like to tell you what actually happens. I am not doing this to justify the actions of the other doctor involved or to marginalize your pain, just to explain the process.

At first blush, euthanasia is a simple process involving the injection of an overdose of anesthetic. Usually the primary drug is pentobarb. Some veterinarians will sedate the animal prior to the injection. Some veterinarains will place an intravenous catheter in every euthanasia - others don't and rely on their ability to establish vascular access with a needle.

After 15 years of practice I put a catheter in every euthanasia. Animals that are near the end of their life where euthanasia is an appropriate decision often have very poor veins, perfusion or co-morbid disease that makes it more difficult to reliably access a vein. I administer an intravenous sedative immediately prior to the actual euthanasia. Soemtimes animals may twitch or make a noise when they are euthanized. The sedative eases their passage. It also makes them unaware of what I am doing so that, hopefully, all they hear is the voice of their owner. After the sedative, I administer an intravenous injection of euthanasia solution (pentobarb). Most animals will pass within 30 seconds. If the animal has profoundly compromised perfusion the process takes longer because it takes longer for the drug to reach the target organs.

If the euthanasia solution is accidently extravasated (goes outside of the vein) this can cause discomfort. If the pre-euthanasia sedative is a lower dose it may cause dysphoria (where the animal is disoriented and may become hyper-excitable). If vascular access can not be established, there are other sanctioned methods for euthanasia but I do not even consider them unless I have no other option.

Again, I am so sorry for your loss and the experience that you and your pet went through. I know it doesn't help but I truly believe that the majority of veterinarians are dedicated to minimizing suffering. Please don't write off my entire profession - most of us care deeply for our patients.

Teresa M. Rieser VMD, DACVECC

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The Bar / Re: Edumacation And Enlearnment
« on: September 19, 2011, 08:09:14 PM »
Chiro-

   YUP!! Gross but not nearly as bad as a full maggot infestation. Nuf said.

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The Bar / Re: Edumacation And Enlearnment
« on: September 19, 2011, 08:07:07 PM »
Shecky- Got it in one although I think human docs get a rough ride, too sometimes. I can not begin to imagine what it is like to deal with family members in an ER with a critically ill family member. Holy stress batman!!

On the positive side, vets enjoy food and are often rewarded with baked goods by their clients.

And we get to work on really wonderful creatures. I have a little dapple doxie in hospital today that I could spend all day snuggling with. And I have a super cool boxer who has the softest ears ever and he gives kisses but he likes my tech more than me. I got one little kiss and she got a whole face wash:) He is going home later today after some rather injudicious dietary choices that landed him in the OR.

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The Bar / Re: Edumacation And Enlearnment
« on: September 19, 2011, 08:01:57 PM »
Snow-
   Usually they get mad when you tell them something they don't want to hear. A lot of people come to the emergency room with their pets and they seem not to want the opinion of a vet but instead to hear that Dr. Google is right and their pet will be fine with xyz treatment. When you advise them that Dr. Google didn't go to vet school and is sadly incorrect they can get a little bent out of shape. Like I said, most of the time it is the stress talking.

I don't have a video of the kitten - wish I did. She was a stray and one of the other docs and I paid for her care and then we found an awesome home for her. Her new owner sent me a card with some great pics the other day. I keep it in my happy file. Most vets have a happy file. I keep every thank you note I have ever received and when I have a bad day I pull it out and read the cards and remember that I have helped people and their animals.

Actually, if I could have kept that kitten for myself I would have but the husband vetoed me. I did get to carry her around the hospital and snuggle for almost a full week before she was ready to go to her new home.

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The Bar / Re: Edumacation And Enlearnment
« on: September 19, 2011, 05:28:06 PM »
Enj and OE: Thanks very much. I wish I always got to be a hero too, but some people can be antagonistic when their animals are ill. I attribute it to stress - it is scary and overwhelming but sometimes they forget that I didn't give the animal the problem I am just the one trying to fix it.

Of course, I also have some super fabulous incredible clients that are fun to work with but when push comes to shove as long as I can do right by the animal I am happy.

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The Bar / Re: Edumacation And Enlearnment
« on: September 19, 2011, 03:55:25 PM »
Enj-

  It is kinda nasty but I have to say it a favorite problem of mine because I know I can fix it. We don't see them that often in small animal medicine but you get to be a hero (for a brief moment in time) and that is fun.

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The Bar / Re: Edumacation And Enlearnment
« on: September 19, 2011, 03:06:10 PM »
IC- that is just down right cool. I do love a good microbology discussion. My husband is a computer guy and is now accustomed to my gross table conversation but I do have to remind myself to stick to neutral topics when out to dinner.

I can still gross my husband out on occasion. I pulled a cuterebra (basically a great big maggot) out of a kitten's neck the other day and that got to him. Kitten did great by the way...

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The Bar / Re: Edumacation And Enlearnment
« on: September 18, 2011, 02:14:01 PM »
IC - your degree sounds cool to me. Is it about the science of cooking or is it more like animal nutrition? A lot of veterinarians are required to do classes in ruminant nutrition before vet school but I think your stuff sounds way more interesting then when I got to learn about silage and haylage and all that jazz.

What is wine science? Do you get to make wine, taste wine - do you then become a sommelier? That would be so cool!! I love food and wine.

I wish I had taken advantage of some of the interesting classes I could have taken when I was an undergrad all I could think about was vet school so I think I shortchanged myself on learning stuff just for the joy of learning. Now I wish I had time to audit some classes or the energy to take some on line for fun but work pretty much fills my day.

You sound like a really dedicated student and I bet you are going to be a huge success!

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The Bar / Re: Edumacation
« on: September 03, 2011, 05:25:59 PM »
I've got an AB in Chemistry and a doctorate in Veterinary Medicine and board certification in small animal emergency and critical care medicine.

I am the first person on both sides of my family to earn a doctorate.

My dad (he died in 1995 on my last day of Vet school) was the smartest person I ever met. He finished high school.

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