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DF Spoilers / Re: Two plus two is Starborn
« on: June 17, 2025, 04:30:07 PM »
So far Harry is an anomaly amongst the Starborn we have met and i think Malcom is the key to that. Its Malcolm's nature that Harry inherited keeps him good. Which is part of the reason why I think Malcom was a plant by Uriel. Not a supernatural being though just a normal guy who is good. Good in the best way possible and good in its everyday form. That shows Harry the way and keeps him from becoming like the other starborn

I love this idea. I think it's completely within Uriel's wheelhouse and strategy to have a Starborn, wizard-to-be raised by a kind person that can also teach their child about basic misdirection and tricks. Having someone like that just kind of hanging around could be a massive force for good.
How much agency does Uriel have in a situation like this? I can see that he could make Malcom and Maggie Sr's paths cross, but could he go deeper? How much could he have directed Malcom to Maggie Sr? At some point it may start to interfere with free will. As I understand it, Uriel can't interfere with free will. Therefore, he couldn't force Malcom to upend his life to put him on a collision course with Maggie Sr. Was tweaking the circumstances enought to guarantee a meeting? Is a chance meeting enough to cause them to fall in love? So many questions....

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ghost Story--two things
« on: June 17, 2025, 04:23:05 PM »
I have a crazy theory that Margie Sr knew she was going to die, sooner or later. So the theory that the spell was hanging over her makes sense to me. So her deal to protect harry could have included her surviving to raise her. Considering the la fey nickname she could have made a better deal than the one she made. But i think for some reason she knew she wasn't the right person to raise Harry. Or she knew that Her enemies not just lord raith would not rest until she was dead. So she decided her death was best for Harry.

On the other hand, its selfish of her to give birth to harry at all

Actually I think you are pretty close to the truth.  I think Margaret knew she was a dead woman walking the moment she left Lord Raith.  I think she did plan on birthing a star baby after she met Malcolm, and planned out how to keep it safe with Mab and Lea.. I think what is going to really piss Harry off is the bargain Margaret made with Mab, i.e. that the child would grow up to be Mab's knight among other things.

No, I don't think it was selfish for Margaret to give birth to Harry, she didn't do it for herself.

The only problem I see with some of these theories is that according to the author (see WOJ below), Maggie Sr was in a rush when she made her deal with Lea. I agree that she had to know that as soon as she left Lord Raith that she was on a ticking clock. Her deal with Lea being a rush deal is at odds with taking the time to plan everything out like intentionally having a Starborn child and seeing to his welfare after her death.
WOJ:
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Q:  Should Harry’s first deal with Lea been covered by Maggie’s deal?
A:  Not really.  One problem is that Harry dealt with Lea the way that one would deal with another human, so he really didn’t get much out of the bargain besides some confidence.  Lea gave him the “magic feather” so to speak.
And, Maggie could have done a little better job on her deal with Lea, but she was kind of in a rush, so she wasn’t as detailed as she should have been.
2009 Kansas City Q&A @37:15
I think it is likely that although Maggie Sr knew she was going to run afoul of Lord Raith, she was committed to trying to raise Harry herself until something happened. Maybe Raith started closing in, maybe a deal fell through, or protection wore off and she knew that she had no time left. That lead to her rushed deal with Lea for protection for Harry.

Additionally, I don't think Maggie Sr could have made a bargain with Mab for Harry to be her knight. Number 1, being the knight is a choice. Mab could not guarantee that Harry would become knight because Harry may not have chosen to be the white knight. If he resists her by saying no than that would be a bargain unfulfilled which may have repercussions for Mab. Number 2, Mab makes choices that benefit winter and its mission as a whole and Mab's scales always balance. Maggie Sr could have tried to bargain for Harry to be in line for the knight, but Mab would have had to receive something of equal value for the scales to balance. What did Maggie Sr have, knowing she was about to die, to give Mab that was of equal worth to protection and a future job for Harry? Why would Mab do this bargain when Harry was either not born or just a baby not knowing if he would have magic, what kind of magic talent he would have, or what his temperament would be? For all Mab knew Harry could have been born a vanilla mortal since magic is not always passed. Sure a starborn wizard would be great, but that would still be a risky proposition for Mab not knowing anything about Harry. Number 3, we know for sure that Maggie Sr made a deal with Lea specifically for Harry's protection. If she already had a deal or was going to make a deal with Mab, why did she make one with Lea? One deal with Mab could have covered everything. Number 4, why would Mab need to do a bargain like this? She is perfectly capable (as we saw in the books) of ensnaring who she wants to be her knight. Mab has no need to bargain with Maggie Sr. for Harry's service when she can just wait, choose him once he has proven himself capable, and then ensnare him like she did.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ghost Story--two things
« on: June 16, 2025, 08:13:24 PM »
I agree, I don't think Raith knows how Margaret fueled her death curse.  If it were as simple as her bloodline, then it makes no sense not to just kill Thomas.. If Raith can still breed, he could still get a male heir..  I also doubt that he hadn't kept track of Margaret's younger child, and one wonders why he didn't arrange for young Harry's death at some point as well.
Raith states in Blood Rites that he worked out what Margaret Sr did. We don't know when he worked it out, only that he knows.

Lord Raith is running on an empty tank constantly. He is not able to feed deeply to replenish himself. He would not be up to a prolonged physical battle. Thomas could draw upon his hunger to heal far more often that Lord Raith can. Thus, Raith avoided any direct confrontation with his son. He can't just walk up to him and kill him because Thomas could potential heal and overcome him. He can't do anything to overt to kill Thomas like have in his own household becuase if Thomas dies under his roof (violence, poison, etc) then Lord Raith looks weak for not protecting his family. If he tries something violent outside the home (ex drive by shooting) and he fails then Thomas might come gunning for him or if he succeeds and it is traced back to him he looks weak because he didn't kill Thomas subtly. Subtle behind the scene machinations is what the White Court is supposed to excel in. Anything too overt and Lord Raith looks weak and there may be a coup. That is why he sends Thomas on dangerous missions such as the White Court representative to The Red Court party hoping that Thomas' perceived incompetence will get him killed. I still think that one of the reasons Lord Raith kept Thomas alive was to draw his brother out so that he could be more easily disposed of.

As far as Harry goes, we do not know at what point Lord Raith discovered that he was the son of Maggie Sr. He most likely knew that she had another son, but Maggie had left him before she had Harry. I'm sure she took steps to protect Harry and Malcom. Even if Lord Raith was trying to follow her trail to find Harry, we know that Justin made Harry disappear when Malcom died and then he was on Eb's farm under the eye of the Blackstaff. By the time Harry reappeared in the public eye when he set up shop in Chicago he was several steps removed from his previous life.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Two plus two is Starborn
« on: June 16, 2025, 04:09:30 PM »
It's possible they were trying to recruit Harry, not kill him.

And maybe there's division among the ranks of the Outsiders -- some hoping to recruit him, some to destroy him.

Division among the Outsiders would be interesting. It reminds me of Supernatural and the angels taking over host bodies and trying to help/hinder Dean and Sam based on their agendas. A conversation between a "good" Nemfected person and Harry would be telling, but I don't see how we could trust anything a Nemfected person said.

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DF Spoilers / Re: RNT: How Does Air Magic Interact With Physics?
« on: June 15, 2025, 09:08:02 PM »
It's per WoJ.
The transcription is reported as:
Reportedly from this AMA (video) recorded at a bookstore in Seattle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDJDn-ggqOo
(but I'm taking the reported quotation at face value:  the vid is almost 2H long, and I didn't listen through to find the precise quote)

Thanks for the link. I'm not surprised that the Langtry is an air mage, adept at communication and is also the Merlin of the White Council. Would love to see a true Air Mage in combat.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Two plus two is Starborn
« on: June 15, 2025, 09:06:08 PM »
I think you mean Lara's envoy!
Good Catch. That is what I was meaning to say.

I'll suggest that Nemesis hasn't taken Lara because it doesn't want Lara.

It wants Justine.

It wants the lover of the Starborn's brother -- Harry is (was) protective of Justine.  He saw her as fragile, helpless, and vitally-important to his only blood-relative.  That made Harry ripe for manipulation by Justine.

But Lara?  Please.  An apex-predator, direct threat/foe to Dresden, known manipulator.  Harry is maximally on-guard.  Lara has almost no value in this context.

Excellent point. Justine as Lara's representative would gather more information (and possibly able to spread the Nemfection) than Lara herself would because people are on their guard against Lara. In addition, Nemesis through Justine would be much more able to control what information Lara received and thus able to exert influence over her actions.

Justine was too reliable, too focused, too competent -- in fact, hypercompetent -- in the scene with Marcone.  The Justine that Harry saw was only ever "focused" when she was with Thomas (and then focused mostly upon Thomas).  The Harry-visible Justine seemed incapable of the trip to Corb, or Marcone, let alone performing the negotiations she did.

We've never had the slightest hint that Justine might have the kind of training she'd need to perform at that level.  But if it was Nemesis acting?  Yeah, that tracks.  100%
There is one thing that has bothered me about this whole scenario. In the Even Hand short story, Justine sees Marcone's defenses against a wizard that he set up specifically to deal with Harry. We know from Skin Game that she relayed that information about the defenses to Harry and he uses that to recognize Marcone's defenses at the bank. If she was Nemfected, why did she pass on crucial life saving information to Harry. If she had said nothing there is a chance that Harry dies in the future to Marcone the same way the Fomer wizard did. Yes, there was a plan to potentially use him as a vector to Deomonreach, but having him killed would remove Demonreach's protector possibly allowing them to try the Cold Days attack again. I would think that they would want the Starborn Warden of Demonreach removed.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ghost Story--two things
« on: June 15, 2025, 08:54:37 PM »
Lord Raith knew that Maggie Sr put a death curse on him. I think he was aware that he needed to kill her sons in order to free himself. He may not have known for sure who Harry was. In the Micro Fiction Journal, Morgan wrote that after Malcom's death Justin got to Harry and made him disappear physically, magically, and bureaucratically. Raith may not have been able to find Harry after that. One of the reasons he might have kept Thomas alive was to serve as bait hoping that his brother would come find him. I also agree that there might have been some politics in there about having a male heir. That being said, IIRC, at some point Thomas states that his dad keeps sending him on missions hoping he will die. The White Court works through cat paws, killing Thomas directly (even if he disappeared) would be seen as a sign of weakness. Lord Raith wasn't able to deal with his son indirectly. Having him die of his own stupidity would work much better for Lord Raith. The problem is that Thomas was hiding his power and knowledge and kept on surviving.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Two plus two is Starborn
« on: June 10, 2025, 01:10:34 AM »
Actually, we don't know Justine "had to be infected by someone."  We have no viable nor exhaustive list of Nemvectors; person-to-person spread may not even be one of them!  IIRC, we don't know of any person-to-person transfers.  Lea got Nemfected by Morgana's Athame (not by a "person" but by a "cursed item"), and I think that's the only Nemfection whose provenance we know precisely (tho there's plenty of WAGs about others).
No, we 100% know for sure that Maeve was Nemfected; that's why Mab ordered her killed.  We know it came from Lea, though not precisely how.
We know that infection is not simple. Otherwise, why did the White Court vector (whatever it was) not go after Lara? They got to Justine and theoretically should have been a step closer to getting Lara. As far as we know, Lara is free from infection. It is not as simple as person to person because then Justine should have been able to infect Lara while serving as her personal assistant. I assume that at some point we will learn the whole story. My guess is that Harry/Lara will capture Justine and in the process of trying to cure her interrogate her to learn more and fill in some of the gaps in their knowledge.

My best bet is that her Nemfection happened somewhere in the White Court.  There is a LOT of Outsider influence / presence amongst the Whampires, and I'm betting it was "someone... or something" who Nemfected her there, with my first guess being something in the private "Starborn/Outsider Apocalypse" collection of Raith Père, after she began acting as Lara's personal assistant.  (On a slight tangent:  I further WAG that the substantive Outsider problems amongst the Whamps is Mab's "main" motivation in contracting a marriage between her Starborn-Wizard Winterknight, and White Princess Lara).

I don't discount @Mira's theory, though, that Justine was a deep plant:  Nemfected before we first met her, worming her way into Thomas' affections, in order to get to Harry.  This is my own 2nd-favorite theory.

We know the infection happened about the time that Justine started working for Lara. Therefore, sometime after Blood Rites. We know from the Marcone story that Justine was sent as Mab's envoy to other accorded nations. She could have been infected on one of these trips away from the White Court or, as suggested, by Nemesis influence in the White Court seeking a closer connection to the queen.

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DF Spoilers / Re: RNT: How Does Air Magic Interact With Physics?
« on: June 10, 2025, 12:59:51 AM »
FWIW, Langtry is an Air mage; fundamentally, that's the magic he used to simul-speak everyone in the Council chamber (when Peabody cracked containment on the mistfiend).

IIRC, Bob has been described as an "airy spirit" and a "spirit of intellect" -- thoughts are tied in the Dresdenverse to the element of Air.

I never thought of Air Magic being the method of conveying his speech to everyone in the Council. I assumed it was some form of sanctioned mind magic.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Children of the sun
« on: June 10, 2025, 12:58:39 AM »
IIRC there's some strong hints (maybe even a WoJ?) that there's an Alera / CinderSpires link, but less so for something as close to our "Modern World" as the Dresden'verse is.

I think I saw a WAG once that the author did not confirm that the Warriorborn of Cinder Spires are the end results of generations of mating between Canin and humans.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ghost Story--two things
« on: June 09, 2025, 04:31:14 PM »
GS took me a while to come to grips with it, but I did so by about 1/3 - 1/2 way through, and enjoyed the rest (and all of each re-read) very much.

I think Winter -- or at least the Winter Knight -- is very physical, very embodied, very animal.
Winter has very little traction with a ghost/soul.

Agreed. I would add that Winter is about the primal urges. A ghost transcends the physical and the primal urges no longer impact it.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Thomas
« on: June 09, 2025, 04:29:06 PM »
  The same in many ways could be said for Lara, however she remains a dangerous vampire with the values that go with it.
   More clearly Thomas is now like having a pet tiger in your house.  No, I am not saying that Thomas is in any way a pet.  What I am saying is that pet tiger might trust that you will feed him and care for him, he might even show affection for you.. However that tiger is still a tiger and has reverted back to what nature intended, and you can't trust that he won't turn and eat you some day.  I believe that is what Eb is trying to tell Harry.

I would contend that Lara sees Harry as a trusted enemy not ally. Someone you know can turn on you, but you also can trust them to act a certain way. In Harry's case, he is a know white knight that has a strong moral compass. Lara knows what strings she can pull to get a certain response out of Harry. It will be interesting to see how this might change in Twelve Months.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Thomas
« on: June 07, 2025, 01:56:59 AM »
I don't think the Skinwalker did "convert" Thomas; not really.
It tortured Thomas until he gave up hope in his gentler and more-loving aspirations.

But even then, he wasn't the merciless predator it had tried to create:  he was angry & hurt that Harry still wanted that from him & for him, expected it of him.  He wouldn't have been hurting/angry if some part of him didn't still see that as better!  The Skinwalker had convinced him that he was a broken thing, unworthy of having nice emotions & nice relationships.

Agreed. The Skinwalker just tortured him to near death and allowed him to feed himself back to health. He wasn't actively trying to talk him into something he was just training him. I liken it to taking a recovering alcoholic, trapping him without water, waiting until her was dehydrated, and giving him only alcohol to drink. The alcoholic will walk out thinking that alcohol is what has freed him from his prison and i necessary for his ongoing life.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ghost Story--two things
« on: June 07, 2025, 01:53:46 AM »
I agree that Ghost Story was the odd story out for me. I read it when I first came out and then didn't touch it again for a long time. I just kept reading around it. I think part of that was due to it being so different narratively speaking. We don't see the typical Harry kicking butt and taking names. Another part of it being odd was that in a way nothing changed. Yes, Harry learned some things, but it was just a bridge to get him from his death to the Winter Knight arc. It didn't help that outside of one bit of dialogue in Cold Days and another small bit in Skin Game (both with Butters I believe), there really has not been much mention of the events of GS by the characters.

That being said, it has grown on me. I now see it as a refreshing change of pace from the other stories. I have come to like the introspection and Harry digging deeper into himself. Ghost Story is part of the reason I am excited for Twelve Months. I'm hoping we get another character piece as opposed to an action piece.

As to your second question, as I understand it, Harry was drawing on his memories to act upon the world. He was only able to interact within the sphere of how he remembered acting. Since he had not done any work really as the Winter Knight, he did not have any memories to draw upon to fuel Winter Knight-like actions.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Thomas
« on: June 04, 2025, 08:12:40 PM »
It's a hard call at this point.  Yes, Thomas learned some elementary or rudimentary spells, but on the surface anyway, he didn't seem interested on learning more.  Was that because as a vampire he didn't think he needed to know more?  Did he fear his father would kill him outright if he did?  Remember Thomas was very into playing the dumb playboy type to stay alive, when we first meet him because of his father.  Or is this in fact as far as Thomas can go with his talent?  He has had his chances to learn more, he lived with Harry for a year and he was a protector of the Paranet and had contact with Elaine.  Was he also afraid of the Wardens if they figured out how talented he really was?  One problem with that if I remember correctly, Harry seems to have a "spidy sense" vibs when he is around someone with considerable magical talent, he has never mentioned it as far as Thomas goes.. But then again I could be remembering that wrong, and Harry also has been clueless at times. One more question, and it may be elementary because Thomas was very young when Margaret left him for Malcolm..  Surely she would have known that as her son, Thomas potentially had talent, maybe lots of talent.  She had to also know how dangerous a WCV wizard would or could be.  So knowing this, why did she leave him behind?  Yeah, maybe roll of the dice, no talent, little talent, potential kick ass wizard, worth the chance?  Or did she have ways of blocking that aspect of her genes when she conceived Thomas with Raith?  Or did she have another way of knowing her six year old son's magical talent would be limited at best?

You are absolutely correct that Thomas has had the opportunity to learn more if he wanted to. It brings up the question of where he learned his basic spells from. Did Harry teach him that? If so, why did Thomas not learn more? It very well could be out of fear as Mira suggested. Fear of the Council or fear of his father/Lara viewing him as a threat.

As far as Harry having a "spidey sense" with regards to magical talent, he can tell either through direct physical contact with someone or by deliberately reaching out with his senses to scan their aura. Harry has said that when he touches another person with magical talent it feels like an electric shock with bigger jolts corresponding to bigger talents. If I recall correctly, actively sensing someone's aura is harder to do and more invasive. It is uncomfortable for the wizard having their aura scanned and therefore not considered polite. Most wizards do not do that for that reason. In addition, wizards can shield their aura at least partly. As far as Maggie Sr goes, we know that magic is passed along the female line. Therefore, she would have had to know that Thomas would have had a chance at inheriting magic. Magical talent does not express until early teenage years and I do not think there is a way to gauge magic talent before it is expressed.

I have wondered a lot about what made Margaret decide to leave Thomas behind? In some thoughts she is the villain, in some the victim. Maybe she thought that a life on the run would be less safe for her child than staying at home with his abusive father but being integrated into a strong family clan with at least one loving sister (Lara).
Or was she forced to leave alone in a situation of flight or death?
I think somewhere there is a WOJ that Maggie had already met Malcom and was pregnant with Harry when she left Raith for good and went into hiding. If I was guessing, I think she left to protect Harry and could not safely take Thomas with her. Especially if she knew Harry would be starborn and was trying to keep Raith from getting his hands on Harry.

Or did she make a bargain with someone/fae (Leanansidhe?) or with Lara for protection for Thomas?
I do not know if she made a bargain with Lara, but the author states that she did not make a bargain with Lea covering Thomas because she figured Thomas was  a baby shark and could protect himself.

Did she suppress his magical talent to make him seem like no threat to Raith's power?
Until he was old enough to express his magical talent there was nothing for her to suppress. Unless she was able to put some type of shield over him tied to his lifeline/soul before he expressed his talent in order to hide it from prying eyes. We know she tied the death curse on Lord Raith to her kids life, so it is possible to tie a spell to someone.

How involved was she in the plan to produce a starborn child? And when her first attempt failed, she left her failure (Thomas) like garbage to try again?
Someone asked the author this specifically. He said that Thomas was not planned and was just the result of having lots of awesome vampire sex. No word on if Harry was intentionally conceived to be starborn or not. We know that Maggie Sr loved Harry's father so he could just be a result that love and cosmic coincidence or she could have been shooting for a specific time to become pregnant by Malcom.

There seemed to be some love between her and Thomas, or she wouldn't have linked her sons' amulets to trigger her appearance during their soul gaze. But for her to do that, she must have known that there will be a future second child.
Was she prescient? Or did someone tell her? Or did she plan it all ahead?
She knew she was pregnant when she set up the amulet linkage. She might have even had Harry at that point. In the amulet message to Thomas she told him to look out for his brother. Thomas had memories of his mother and already knew that he had a brother.


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