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DF Spoilers / Manipulative Harry
« on: January 27, 2021, 11:34:12 PM »
Instead of derailing another thread into whether or not the White Court would respect Harry as Lara's husband because they see him as a dumb brute, I'll deal with it here. I'll list what I think are situations in which he manipulated people into doing what he wanted in a way that the White Court might respect, then I'll list the effect it would have.

The Books:

Storm Front: I don't see anything.

Fool Moon: I don't see anything.

Grave Peril: He manipulates Lea into letting him go.

Summer Knight: I don't see anything other than Mab appreciating what Harry did in GP.

Death Masks: I don't see anything.

Blood Rites: Lara declares that Harry has "made me the cat's-paw for you, Dresden. While making me think I had the advantage of you. You've played me at my own game, and ably."

Dead Beat: Though he didn't intend any of it, he managed to get the Wardens to help him get hold of the Word of Kemmler and deliver it to Mavra. And get put on the Wardens payroll at the same time.

Proven Guilty: He bested the Merlin in Molly's trial. The Merlin had to use his brute institutional strength to beat Harry. Then Harry used a parliamentarian/procedural trick to stop the Merlin, with the help of the Gatekeeper, until enough of the Senior Council showed up to give Harry what he wanted.

This was done in front of many Council Members and the Summer Lady and Knight.

White Night: He turned a White Court scheme being run by all three major houses to his advantage. He got the paranet going, acquired a big obligation from the Little Folk, and got a big reputational boost among them as well.

Small Favor: He manipulated Nicodemus into defeat. Nicodemus had won. Dresden convinced him to risk everything he had gained, and he lost all of it.

Turn Coat: He manipulated the White Council into fighting Shagnasty. He appeared to manipulate the White Court into doing the same, but iirc, Lara was in on it. He manipulated Peabody into incriminating himself.

Changes: He dealed with Mab in a scheming manner that she respected.

Ghost Story: I don't see anything, other than Mab's confirmation of what I said for Changes.

Cold Days: He was in deep with Faeries and Outsiders and managed to see through several misdirections. (But didn't catch some based on what the Redcap said in BG).

Skin Game: He once again duped Nicodemus. He saw what Mab and Marcone were doing.

Peace Talks: He put the White Court under his thumb. He shamed Marcone because Marcone lost custody of a helpless prisoner. He manipulated a member of the Senior Council into doing his bidding. He tricked another Senior Council member into fighting a whatever you call his double on the dock.

Battle Ground: He "manipulated" a massive army of the Little Folk into fighting for him. He got the eye, denied it, and by doing so, got Marcone to give him a super warded castle. He also convinced the Accorded Members present to pay a weregild to the mortals.

Short Stories:

In B is for Bigfoot, Harry manages to achieve his goals without any direct action. He did what he was hired to do without causing any trouble with the Svartalves.

In Jury Duty, Harry's in the middle of the conflict between the White Court and Marcone.

The effect:

I'm not sure how widely known Harry's tricking of Lea in GP would be.

I don't think anyone would be able to easily piece together what Harry did in BR, so I don't think we should count that one.

From DB, I'm not sure who would know enough to draw any conclusions other than Mavra. She, at least, should understand that he isn't just a brute.

PG is the first thing he's done that people in the community are likely to know about. Faeries trade secrets all the time. Everyone in Titania's court had a big laugh about how he spent the favor from Titania. Enough of them probably got the story of how he got the favor to spread it around sufficiently for anyone who wanted information on Harry to get the story too.

From WN, everyone should know that he foiled the Skavis and Malvora plans. Whether or not they were able to piece together what he got out of Lara is less certain, but the Little Folk certainly know, and they don't guard information all that closely. I'm not sure if the White Court would be aware of the weregild paid out to Harry, but the sharper members of the Court and broader community should be able to piece it together.

I'm not sure how widely known the details of his defeat of Nicodemus in SmF would be. The White and Black Council's should know as Luccio was involved.

What he did in TC would be widely known in the Council and the White Court. Different particulars might be fuzzy in each, but they'd be known.

I don't think any but Demonreach, Bonnie, Molly, Mab, Kincaid, and Harry know that he almost out foxed Mab in Changes.

The White Court would be aware that they attacked a bunch of cultists during CD. Probably that it was at the direction of Dresden.

I don't think his exploits in PT would be widely known. Which is the point of a lot of scheming.

I think everything he did in BG will be widely known.

Harry's actions in B is for Bigfoot probably made an impression on Svartalves. They probably don't share information as freely as other elements of the supernatural world.

In Jury Duty, he foiled a White Court plan, but he was Marcone's cats-paw at the time.

Conclusion:

I think any supernatural player that wants to develop a dossier on Harry ought to be able to get enough information to figure out he isn't just a dumb brute. Fairies and members of the White Court are especially well positioned to do this. The supernaturals that think Harry is a dumb brute are pretty much going to be the ones that Harry has to worry the least about because they will be the least informed, most arrogant, and/or stupidest.

Thoughts?

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DF Spoilers / Cowl
« on: January 19, 2021, 07:02:10 PM »
I know it's been done to death, but I was thinking about it recently.

In WN, Elaine said she had nightmares that Justin was coming for her for a long time after Harry burned him all up. Harry says Justin's dead, and Elaine says she knows that. When I read that line recently, it really felt like foreshadowing that "Justin" is most certainly not dead and will or did (probably will) come for Elaine. There's a couple of directions to go with this. First Jim meant that Justin was only mostly dead when he said he was dead, D-E-D, dead. That's simple enough. The other is that Kemmler stole Justin's body when Kemmler was last defeated by the White Council, and that's what Jim meant when he said Justin was dead. There are problems for both of these.

First, all the problems of Cowl being Justin would also problems with Cowl being Justin/Kemmler, so I'll go over that first. Cowl doesn't seem to know Harry. He wonders what's got all the Wardens so worried. I've seen others say that Justin would know being his former master and Harry burning him up. An answer to this is that it's been 14 years, so Harry's likely grown a lot in power and reputation. Justin could have thought that Harry got lucky defeating him, because, let's face it, as that's how Harry wins all his fights, he probably did. And for the same reason, Harry's reputation probably outstrips his actual abilities. Another reason that Justin would want to what's got the Wardens so worried is that he does legitimately wonder how Harry's progressed over the years.

Another problem with that is we see Harry struggling against the "black magic taint" that he has from killing Justin. We also have Ulshavaras comment on it. This could be a misdirect on Jim's part. But why would Harry have such a taint if he never broke the laws of magic? Harry mentions stuff about being tricked into his first dark compact by Justin before he knew better. I forget which book he mentions it in. What the hell is a dark compact anyway? We don't really have any explicit examples of one anywhere in the books. Whatever it was could explain Harry's "black magic taint."

I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting.

Now the biggest problem with Justin/Kemmler being Cowl is his statement in DB. "I have nothing but disdain for the madman Kemmler. Have a care what insults you offer. This need not involve you at all, Dresden." I'll try to justify this statement from Cowl. Kemmler has reconsidered his ways. He must have been a madman to attempt what he had. He loathes himself for it. He was arrogant and foolish. He is consumed with regret. Because he failed. This time will be different. He'll be more careful. He'll succeed this time. Or he's lying to hide the fact that he's Kemmler.

Another interesting thing about that statement is that Cowl is the only one who wasn't a student of Kemmler and who knows who Harry is. He knows about Bob. He doesn't seem concerned with finding the Word of Kemmler. Only preventing the others from obtaining it. All of his actions are geared toward stopping them from achieving the darkhallow. He only stole Bob because he wanted to make sure the darkhallow went down as it was supposed to. He didn't even need Bob to tell him what to do. (This is one solution to a problem I have with how Bob figured out how to do a darkhallow in a couple of hours when he had supposedly expelled that part of him).

Justin being Kemmler could also explain why Evil Bob was asking what Harry had done with Kemmler. Why didn't he know Kemmler was dead? Because Kemmler wasn't dead? Kemmler stole Justin's body to fake his death and faked Bob's death as well. He knew he had to lay low. When he didn't, the White Council kept killing him. He went deep undercover this time. He ordered Bob to sequester his memories of their time together so no one would be the wiser. Bob just thinks it was his own doing. Justin/Kemmler didn't want to get rid of the memories like Harry did. The last thing Evil Bob knew was that he was going into hiding with Justin/Kemmler. Harry's fight with Justin/Kemmler wasn't in front of Bob, so that's why he asks Harry what he's done with the master.

Justin being Kemmler also explains both why Justin is a former Warden and why he went warlock. He cut off most of his ties with the Council so no one would notice he wasn't Justin. He "went" warlock because he wasn't Justin anymore.

Laying low until he's ready and/or repenting his failures and going in a new direction would also explain why he didn't do the darkhallow sooner. He was only doing it now to stop Corpsetaker and Grevane. He said so himself.

And then there's all the various reasons that people have said through the years why Justin or Justin/Kemmler makes sense as Cowl.

Anyway, until I see something I think is better, I'm going with Cowl is the man Harry and Elaine called Justin. I'm not saying anyone else's theories are wrong. This is just what I feel is most likely right now. Tomorrow, the next book, a comment, or re-reading some line that contradicts it or points to someone else could all change my mind.

What are the problems I'm forgetting or haven't thought of with Cowl being the man Harry and Elaine called Justin?

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DF Spoilers / First December Dresden Drop (Spoilers BG and Beyond)
« on: December 03, 2020, 07:27:16 PM »
The Dresden Drop this week contains a new interview. https://www.jim-butcher.com/posts/2020/a-long-expected-drop-new-interview-and-tattoo-compilation.

In the interview Jim states some things about Twelve Months. I think most of us have assumed that it will take place over the course of a year, but Jim hadn't ever explicitly stated that in anything I'd seen. He does in this interview. He stated that it wouldn't be like the other books that cover Harry's worst couple of days in the year. He said we'd get to see what Harry's day to day life is. He said something about seeing Harry trying to survive his dates with Lara.

Jim also said that Heaven, Hell, and Asgard are in the Nevernever, but I have difficulty understanding how Heaven can be in the Nevernever when pretty much every being in the Nevernever seems to be limited to one universe at a time while the Angels (maybe just the Archangels) aren't.

Also in the drop: tattoos, Jim will be on the Dresden Files Podcast this Friday, Fanfic update.

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DF Spoilers / Grudges (Battle Ground Spoilers)
« on: October 03, 2020, 07:09:34 AM »
So there are a couple of quotes in the last chapter about Harry's old enemies coming out of the woodwork to take a shot at him.
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It took only days for rumors to spread that there were beings in town sniffing around for my trail, bad guys I'd crossed or annoyed at some point in the past.

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Every bad guy I'd ever angered out there was going to reevaluate whether or not they could take me down, now that I was out of the White Council.

Which enemies are looking for him?
  • Blood on his Soul
  • Denarians
  • Fomor
  • Cat Sith
  • The Eebs
  • Any surviving allies/servitors of the Reds
  • Shagnasty
  • Skavis or Malvora wamps
  • Any Raith plotting against Lara or holding a grudge against Harry
  • Drakul/bcv/Mavra
  • Maybe a Grendelkin
  • Maenads
  • Mouse's evil siblings
  • Hecatean Hags
  • Ghouls
  • Any number of Faeries
  • Svartalves?
  • Black Council Opportunists
Who'd I miss?

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DF Spoilers / Power Creep
« on: May 31, 2020, 08:54:31 AM »
Over in the "What do you look forward to in Peace Talks?" thread, the discussion has moved to Harry getting a power up. It made me think of what's often described as power creep in the Dresden Files. I think creep is very apropos for Harry's gaining of power because it mostly happens pretty slowly. It creeps on up in a way that's hard to point to.

While he doesn't get a power up every book, he's almost always more powerful in at least one way. Usually a noticeable way. He's often also less powerful in some way. Usually less notable. Occasionally, he's significantly more powerful or significantly less powerful in an obvious way.

It's generally subtle from book to book, but Harry seems more powerful each book. He gets more foci. He gets a bigger gun every four books or so. His fuego spell gets tighter and tighter. I think it's first described as "as big around as my hips" to eventually being "as big as my two fingers." Occasionally we get big steps forward like in BR, when Harry has enchanted his duster and gets Hellfire.

Outline of Harry's power progression that I can recall:
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What am I missing and when did it happen? Thoughts on "power creep" in the Dresden Files?

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DF Spoilers / Where Did Harry Get Money in Skin Game?
« on: May 01, 2020, 06:43:04 PM »
Harry doesn't have any money in Cold Days. He has to borrow a nickle from Molly. Between Cold Days and Skin Game, Harry's stuck on Demonreach. In the flashback chapter towards the end of Skin Game, Harry doesn't have any money to buy a sandwich and beer at Mac's. When he has to pay Grey, he doesn't even have a dollar.

So all this leads to the question, how did Harry buy hamburgers from Burger King and all those fireworks?

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DF Spoilers / The Lighthouse
« on: March 01, 2020, 10:07:27 AM »
So is the tower on Demonreach a lighthouse at all? Dresden calls the tower a lighthouse, but I'm not convinced it was a lighthouse, at least originally.

It's first described as a tower. Then shortly later a lighthouse. The word tower is repeatedly used. It makes sense that Dresden's first impression is that it is a lighthouse. It's a tall structure at the top of an island surrounded by rocky reefs. And "{b}eacon towers dotted the shorelines and islands of all the Great Lakes." It's only natural to assume that the dilapidated structure on the island is just another dilapidated structure with a modern use.

The reason I'm not so sure that it's a lighthouse is that it's got all those wards that we first see in Turn Coat and learn more about in Cold Days. We learn that the wards are "impossible" and that Merlin was the one who made them. It makes sense to conclude that Merlin built the tower. I don't see any reason for concluding otherwise, so until someone gives me one, that's going to be my assumption. This leads to the question, why would Merlin build a lighthouse on his secret prison island? Especially if he built it during his lifetime when shipping wasn't a thing in the Great Lakes.

Here's my theory: It isn't a lighthouse; it's a wizard's tower. We know from Harry that "some guys in Europe still operate out of stone towers." Grave Peril, Ch. 14. So the wizard's tower is a thing in the Dresden Files. Jim repeatedly emphasizes that it's a tower, even referring to lighthouses as beacon towers, which I find to be a bit of an odd phrase. It was likely built by Merlin at a time when a lighthouse wouldn't make any sense. It was likely built for another purpose. I'm not sure why a lighthouse would be so heavily warded unless it was used for something else.

Now, I don't know where the wizard's tower trope comes from, what it's supposed to mean, or what the in story reason is for why wizards would have a tower. I guess I'm left with those general questions and the specific question of why would Merlin need a tower on Demonreach.

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DF Spoilers / Oblivion War and Ritual Magic
« on: February 15, 2020, 06:47:32 PM »
I just finished re-reading the Backup short story. That's the Thomas pov one where we learn of the Oblivion War. In it, the bad guys are trying to get the White Council to publish a book of rituals. The White Council would do this because, as we learned in Blood Rites, if everyone is using ritual magic, the sponsor doesn't have enough juice to make each ritual effective and they all just kind of fizzle out. The reason the bad guys want the ritual book published is because it would spread word of their "[d]emons of such appetites and fury that only the way mortals in some parts of the world survived them at all was with the help of some of those early gods." So demons who were worse than gods who favored human sacrifice.

These demons bear a resemblance to Lovecraftian horrors. Outsiders are somehow connected to those same horrors. It seems reasonable to assume, even if incorrectly, that the Oblivion War is aimed first at Outsiders, or that Outsiders are the results of successes of the Oblivion War. We have good reason to suspect that the Oblivion War has broader aims than these ancient demons because Thomas specifically says the fae were targets saved by the G-men, Gutenberg and the Brothers Grimm.

The only ritual we know anything about is the one from Blood Rites that was powered by He Who Walks Behind, the most powerful Walker of the Outsiders.

What if the reason that ritual spells fizzle out isn't because the sponsor has run out of juice, but because the sponsor has achieved its goal of anchoring itself to reality? What if every time the White Council publishes one of these ritual books, they are doing the work of the Venators' enemies in the Oblivion War?

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DF Spoilers / Year of Dresden: Something Every Tuesday
« on: January 07, 2020, 06:27:59 PM »
Here's the link. https://www.jim-butcher.com/posts/2020/the-year-of-dresden-begins?fbclid=IwAR24oqhNm7SWq_jRf5OCEoJX7zZQSHVpFu9Xyd6pAF9-R7R4WJDiuuASSi0. Today it's a short story entitled Mike. I figure I'll just leave this here without saying more until people have had a chance to look for themselves.

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DF Spoilers / Mort's House in Ghost Story
« on: August 06, 2019, 09:27:18 PM »
No, not the thing about it being the wrong house.

How did the lemurs get in? Has anyone come up with a theory? Has Jim said anything? It's unusual for Jim to "break" the rules he's set up with out explaining how the rules were never actually broken later on in the same book, but I don't recall anything like that. Did I just miss something?

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DF Spoilers / When Did Karrin Learn of the White Council?
« on: July 03, 2019, 04:51:02 AM »
In Chapter 18 of Summer Knight Harry tells Murphy "all of it" at the Wal-Mart. "[M]ost of all, I told her about the White Council." So the obvious answer is "that's when she learned about it, idiot." But in Chapter 31 of Fool Moon in the pit on Marconne's estate, Murphy says "I can't figure out why they [the FBI hexenwolves] didn't do the deed themselves, instead of leaving it to MacFinn." Harry responds with "Trying to cover their tracks from the White Council." Murphy doesn't respond with anything even close to something that would indicate she doesn't know what the White Council is. Does she already know? Is she playing it cool because Dresden is talking more than he usually does? Murphy doesn't seem like the type to just let it go if she has no idea what Harry's talking about. Especially in Fool Moon. But that appears to be precisely what she does. We don't hear mention of it again. Maybe Murphy got the information from other sources.

While knowledge of the White Council isn't something one can get in the local library, it's not as if it's impossible to obtain even some pretty sensitive information about it. In Chapter 1 of Summer Knight, Billy know's that the "wizard's White Council is coming to town." Harry responds with "[W]hat White Council?" Point being that Billy has figured out that the White Council exists, and the Council is coming to Chicago in the middle of a war. Presumably, that information would be deemed sensitive. In Chapter 8 of Grave Peril, Susan indicates that she doesn't know what the White Council is, but she could just be using the opportunity to dig for more information. If she honestly doesn't know what the Council is, it's not easy for someone who isn't a member of "the community" to find out about.

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DF Spoilers / Black Council/The Circle/Nemesis
« on: January 28, 2019, 09:07:44 PM »
So we all know that there is some conspiracy (or conspiracies) going on behind the scenes that has (or have) caused most, if not all, of Harry's major troubles. The first name we get is the Black Council from Harry because mortal practitioners are involved. Then we hear about a Circle in White Night and Changes. In White Night, it is some organization the Malvora and Madrigal Raith are working for, are aware of, and Cowl is the contact for. I find it unclear as to whether the Malvora is "in" the Circle or just an agent of it. In Changes, it is mentioned by the Eebs, but they might just be referring to the Lords of Outer Night.

I think of the Black Council as an organization made up of mortal practitioners, mostly current or former members of the White Council, separate from the Circle. I think of the Circle is an organization with representatives from various supernatural groups with some unknown mutual aims and a lot of backstabbing. The leadership of some supernatural groups are entirely aware of the Circle and part of it. I think the Black Council is one of those groups. Only factions of some groups are aware and represented. The White Council, through the Black Council, would be an example here.

Alternatively, the Black Council and the Circle could be the exact same thing. Either a group of wizards calling themselves the Circle, or a larger supernatural conspiracy that Dresden simply thought was made up of just wizards.

We've got a pretty clear picture of what Nemesis is, if not how it works. It's an Outsider secret agent/sapper/infiltrator.

I think Nemesis influences the Circle but does not control it. It almost certainly controls some of the members of every major supernatural group, including the Circle.

I also think the Circle has only thirteen members for the reasons stated in Storm Front. Additionally, there were thirteen Lords of Outer Night, perhaps for the same reason.

Alternatively, everything is either Nemesis or it's catspaws.

Thoughts?

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DF Spoilers / Dead Beat Question
« on: November 12, 2018, 09:29:48 PM »
How did Bob know how to pull off the Darkhallow?

At the end of Chapter 34, Harry says "Bob used to be Kemmler's" and "Bob knows everything about the theory that Kemmler did." And then, near the end of Chapter 42, Bob says "It is precisely as the master described." But all the way back in Chapter 3, Harry orders Bob to permanently forget those memories. We later learn that Bob has expelled those memories into a separate SoI.

What's going on here? Did Jim make a mistake and have Bob remember something he couldn't? Did Jim make a mistake creating Evil Bob in Ghost Story? Was Bob pretending to know more than he did?

If it was left at Bob is just awesome and could figure out how to do a Darkhallow, that would have been fine. And that's what I said when my brother asked me this question. Then I reread the book after he asked me, with that question existing in my mind. The real problem with that explanation is Bob's quote from Chapter 42.

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DF Spoilers / When Does AAAA Wizardry Take Place?
« on: November 01, 2018, 08:04:30 PM »
On her timeline, Priscellie says:
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Somewhere between May of 9 ASF and the Summer of 10 ASF: AAAA Wizardry, the short story included in The Dresden Files RPG: Our World.
https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,1592.0.html

In the foreword to the Brief Cases edition of AAAA Wizardry, Jim says:
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This next story is set just after the events, I believe, of Proven Guilty, where Harry Dresden has become impressed with the need to instruct the younger wizards around him.

Why does Priscellie have the story take place three to four years later than when Jim says he "believes" the story to have taken place? I assume she has reasons and those reasons make sense. The end of Jim's quote makes me think that Jim is referring to the class taking place just after Proven Guilty; not the story within the story. That would mean that Jim isn't referring to the inner story and Priscellie is referring to the outer story, which might solve the discrepancy.

I'm trying to setup my digital library so that I can just re-read all the stories, short and otherwise, in in-universe chronological order without having to constantly check which or whether a short story is next because, having already read them, I'm not worried about spoilers.

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