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DF Spoilers / Justine DuMorne is Kemmler (Theory)
« on: December 09, 2023, 07:41:16 AM »
Alright so this is my WAG.

I think Kemmler did a body switch into DuMorne at his final showdown.

It would explain how he knew where to pick up Bob from.

Also Kemmler is known to have loyal fanatical followers. Just like he tried to do with Elaine and Harry.

It also fits with Elaine being the leading contender for Kumori. Having been mind wammied enough to have a predilection towards Necromancy vs her good intensions.

It would fit with Jim's cryptic answers about Justine and Kemmler being equally dead:

WOJ: Okay, I just wanna say I finished reading Proven Guilty  just a while ago and I have a real quick question before the serious interview:  "Justin's behind everything, isn't he?"
Justin's dead...look, look...he's dead, he's dead.
Dead, dead?
Jim:  He's dead!
Very dead?
Jim:  D-E-D dead.
Are you ever gonna change your answer, dead?
Jim:  Dead.
2010 Bitten by Books Q&A:
#245 “How dead is Kemmler? About as dead as Justin, maybe?”
Oh, at least that dead.

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Cinder Spires Spoilers / Olympian Affair (Spoilers All)
« on: November 07, 2023, 10:27:21 AM »
Don't read further if you haven't read it yet.

So the map at the beginning is one of central and eastern United States with various Spires dotted around.

Cavendish describes modern society as being in destroyed by what appears to be a Nuclear apocalypse which explains the mutated surface world.

But apparently humanity might have been trying to destroy 'The Enemy. Tyranima. 10 000 years ago according to an archangel the Primearch converses with.

So confirmation that it's in a future version of our world.

In terms of pacing it was build up for the first 70% the final 30% felt a bit compacted.

We also learned a lot more about the other Spires. Atlantean's are ruled by Etherialists and are quite colorful. Pikes are semi-nomadic pirates who live on their ships. Olympia have powerful merchant fleet but little military. The Dolasians they're a confederacy or federation of some sort.

Nothing on Kissam or Jerezzi other than where they are on the map.

Finally got a look at a Mistmaw.

We learned what happened to get Grimm drummed out of the fleet. That part was a little disappointing sort of just explained in a page or two of monologue, but the way it was described I think Jim initially wanted to write it as a novella.

Bayard didn't get that tuxedo cat we were promised? Jim just decided not to?

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DF Spoilers / Fae Rankings
« on: October 14, 2023, 11:32:19 AM »
Found this rereading Summer Knight.

"And your godmother your teacher and guide is the most vicious creature of Mabs Court more than Maeves equal second in strength only to Mab herself."

So Lea is more powerful than Maeve personally, but someone pointed out Maeve probably has the authority to boss her around.

Which got me thinking about how I'd rank the Fae

1.Mothers.
2.Queens.
3. Kringle, Erlking; Erlking has a Goblin Court, but Kringle would get more mortal worship and recognition.
4. Lea, Eldest Gruff; We hadn't met the above two when Aurora said the above quote, and Auroroa's grain of salt anyway, but neither have their own court or near the level of worship strength of Kringle.
5. Ladies; A note here to say they probably have the authority to boss, the 4's around, but would probably loose in a 1v1 duel. Doubt they could boss the 3s as semi independent Dukedomes.
6. Higher level's of Fae;  Sidhe, Elders, Trolls, Ogre's, Goblins. (Depending on their own rank)
7. Foot soldiers; Some of the same species as above but less elite. Mawks, Trolls, Goblins. Or Molly's recruits.
8. Tribes, Swarmers; Little Folk, Sprites, The Spiders or smaller animal fae.


Lemme know if you agree, disagree would reshuffle or add anything. If we get a consensus on any I'll edit the original post with notes on why and who suggested a change.

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Cinder Spires Spoilers / WarriorBorn review and discussion
« on: September 18, 2023, 03:24:03 PM »
Just dropped in Australia so I just read it.

It was good.

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next part *is* a *major spoiler*- Fair Warning

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Hopefully it'll last me until Olympian Affair drops.

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Cinder Spires Books / Warrior Born Release Date! and Pre-Order! Amazon!
« on: August 04, 2023, 04:21:58 PM »
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CD921ZLY

Sept 19th Pre Order on kindle available.

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DF Spoilers / Florida Supercon?
« on: July 08, 2023, 03:49:57 PM »
Anyone who went? or filmed it? Any new WOJs?

Reddit update had this:
"I don't know if it's new, but while talking about the Fae, he did tell us that there were 2 remaining Titans. One was Ethniu, the other was Hecate, who split herself or her powers into parts which became the Mantles of the Faerie Courts(Queens and Knights) Also, Jim was stumped when asked what would happen if Harry brought a Denarian coin to Demonreach and asked him to imprison it. Said he'd have to give it serious thought and maybe we'd find out when the Denarians came around again(Book 20) Also, no further details, but direct quote "Karrin Murphy's story isn't over yet."

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DF Spoilers / Can't find a WOJ?
« on: June 06, 2023, 04:47:24 AM »
The one where Jim says Marcone picked up Namshiels coin before they left the island?

I think there was something about wagner or valkyries still playing?

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DF Spoilers / Power Ranking. Top 50.
« on: January 04, 2023, 06:14:42 AM »
Rules are:
1.Characters that have to have appeared or directly mentions in the series. So no Zeus or Kratos.
2. Yes. It's based on Combat so just forestalling the inevitable argument that that isn't the only measure of power.
3. Feel free to add, subtract or switch ranks. If enough people agree with your amendment I'll amend the Original Post, but will make note of such edits so people know what has changed.


1. Uriel (Archangel destroy galaxies. Limited by Free Will and Response)
2. Mothers (Measure above the Queens)
3. Ethniu (Able to compel Ferrovax and Vaddeung. Defeat Mab with the Eye)
4. Hades (God. Olympian which could take down the Titans, but still their progeny so think demi-god to god to Titan)
5. Ferrovax (Can Crack reality. Still Vadderungs a threat.)
6. Mab/Titania (Fae Queen)
7. Vadderung/Kringle (God but gave up his immortality to have Free Will and directly act in the world. WOJ confirms Soul Fire. Still could probably take Queens and Ferrovax. Or atleast it's close enough for everyone to play little games of protocol so they don't have to duel)
8. Drakul (Scary Star Born)
9. Erlking (Wild Hunt Kringle and Eldest equal has his own Dukedom.)
10. Red King (Erlking seemed confident he could hunt the Red Court)
11. Eldest Gruff (Likes dueling Senior Council and winning, bitch slapped a Denarian. Equal of Erlking and Kringle)
12. Leansidhe ( Often referred to as Mab's second. I put her above the Ladis simply because she's outlived half a dozen of them. I put her at Eldest Gurff contemporary)
13. Lords of Outer Night. (Will. Outsider backing, but Lea could take atleast one.)
14. Ladies. (Honestly their biggest weakness is their arrogance, but Dresden's defeated and killed several times)
15. Naagloshii (Powerful but can be driven off)
16. Ivy. (The Archive. All of human memory, but doesn't have innate magic based on her life span)
17. Rivers in his Shoulders/ Genowska (Forest People. Measurement of Senior Council for the Forest People. I think Blackstaff, Gatekeeper, The Merlin Might win but it'd be equivalent of Harry beating them so.)
18. Kemmler (Big Bad Necromancer)
19.Ebenezar (Blackstaff)
20. Rashid (Gatekeeper)
21. Langtry (The Merlin)
22. Harry (Winter Knight. The 3 above are the only Wizards who could take him handsdown and even then it'd be close.)
23. Sir Marcone/Namshiel (Denarian Magical expert riding shotgun)
24. Knights of the Cross (In order: Shiro, Michael, Sanya, Butters. They cancel out the Denarians assuming they have allies. Butters could be great with some time, experience and training)
25. Mouse (His abilities are Knight level depending on his home base)
25. Nicodemus (Skilled, Strong, Immortal likes killing champions but has been run off by Harry and the Knights his every appearance)
26. Simon Pietrovich (Vamp expert. Brute Squad leader. Cowl)
27. Duchess Ortega (Harry kicked her ass. Just putting her below the Vamp Expert, but above Polonius.)
28. Listens to Wind (Shaman Shapeshifter who can run off a Naagloshi)
29. Ursiel (Powerful but stupid. LtW could take him on in a shape shifter fight)
30. Polonius Latessa (Powerful, but clearly a Sorceror. Senior Council level but still)
31. Diedre (Her Physical abilities are impressive, but not as much as those above)
32. Martha Liberty (Senior Council. Loa spirit expert.)
33. Ancient Mai (Scary Senior Senior Council, but her expertise isn't combat oriented.)
34. Klaus the Toymaker (Next in line for Senior Council sans politics. Personal theory yet another mask of Vadderung/Kringle but till that's confirmed he's the youngest of the Senior wizards)
35. Donald Morgan (A measure between Harry and Ebenezar for most of the series. Survived Kemmler. A few Red Dukes. An ass but a badass)
36.Denarians (Short lived that go through their hosts.)
37.Carlos Ramirez (Young but officer of the Wardens. War vet. Survived Kemmler's heirs and the duel of Raith deeps and the Battle of the Bean)
38. Fix (Summer Knight. Could take most Fae, but Harry took him easily)
39. Lasciel/Hannah Ascher (If anything easier than he did Fix)
40. Elder Fae. (Cat Sith: Fought Nemesis hold, Elder Gruff, Red Cap)
41. Svartalves. (Focus isn't open combat but powerful independent nation)
42. Luccio (Was Captain, has fought of various Kemmler level sorcerors over a few centuries)
43. Black Court Elders (Based on Drakuls Crew)
44. Wardens (Chandler, Bill, Yoshimo. Capable fighters, not as good as they think they are)
45. Kemmlers Heirs' (Necro Bob, Corpestaker, Grevane, Wild West guy. Sorcerors.)
46. Monoc Securities (I feel like Gard could confidently take most Wardens. Healing abilities of trauma.)
47. Regular Red Court (Strong but obvious weaknesses)
48. White Court (Capable fighters with enhanced abilities. Don't have Monoc's healing.)
49. Ghouls (Strong henchmen muscles)
50. Alpha's (Minor talent one trick ponies. Rare for a 1 on 1.)


So some outliers that would take us above top 50.

Lord Raith. For most of history I'd have put him Blackstaff level. Kill with a touch protected by an outsider and command of the White Court, but now he's a weak puppet. Lara's bitch.
Kincaid. Until we see what his Hell Hound abilities are he's just a very effective soldier slightly above Murphy.
Alpha's. Minor talent one trick pony. Effective fighters, but only to a point.

Let me know if you agree disagree, and if so with whom and where you'd put them?

If people have a conensus on whose where I'll change it with the edits noted.

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DF Spoilers / Kemmlers Heirs
« on: December 22, 2022, 12:38:06 PM »
Throw away line I just came across in Ghost Story:
"The Corpsetaker had once been part of the White Council sometime back before the French and Indian War."
Closest thing we've got to an identifiable date on Corpsetaker
Combine with Sir Stuart and wojs on eb langtry and LtW around the same time.
Some of evil bob and corpsetakers defences are clearly fomor based as well.

We know from luccios wild West story grevane was atleast around then.

Kemmler lead the Society of Thule I imagine in their search for Cthulhu they may have come across the Fomor while searching for 'The Deep Ones'

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DF Spoilers / Child's not mortal
« on: December 08, 2022, 02:12:26 PM »
Rereading ghost story and noticed this.

"Child's stood up a portrait of grace. If he was a mortal he was deadly fast. Or a ballet dancer and somehow I didn't think he had some danskins stuffed in his suits pockets."

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DF Spoilers / Ebenezars journal
« on: September 23, 2022, 06:32:26 AM »
Ebenezars journal.

"...seems clear that he had no idea of the islands original purpose. I sometimes can't help but think that there is such a thing as fate - or atleast a higher power of some sort attempting to arrange events in our favour despite everything we in our ignorance do to thwart it. The Merlin has demanded that we put the boy under surveillance at once. I think he's a damned fool.
Rashid says that warning him about the island would be pointless. He's a good judge of people but I'm not so sure he's right this time. The boys got a solid head on his shoulders generally. And of all the wizards I know he's among the three or four I'd be willing to see take up that particular mantle
 I trust his judgement.
But then again I trusted Maggie's too."

So The Merlin's a dick but I can understand his fear.

Ebenezar thinks fatw may have given Harry the island but also he thinks he could be another Maggie.

Rashids doing his usual let events unfold.

But the points I want to home in on.

1. Whose the other 2 or 3 wizards eb would trust?
2. Ebenezar specifically says 'mantle'

Confirmation Demon Reach is a MANTLE!

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DF Spoilers / Jim interview
« on: September 18, 2022, 02:24:37 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17_qlpecuzc&ab_channel=MVPublicLibrary

so highlights: he's on Cinder Spires Chapter 24, 12 months first chapter
Working on a short story of Cerberus and Mouse for an animal shelter anthology
Nemean Lion has escaped so Cerberus hires Mouse for help
12 months Harry as a leader or liege lord.

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DF Spoilers / Historical events with a Supernatural tinge/twist
« on: August 19, 2022, 06:00:54 AM »
So been awhile since we've done one of these directly and I haven't done one in depth since Battle Ground I don't think.

So what is your favourite historical event that you think could/would have had a supernatural influence.

1. Kemmler- World Wars. Luccio was hunting down Society of Thule. Probaby the one we now most about. Paranet Papers has a section devoted to Simon Pietrovich and the Russian Revolutions' side of things as well. Black Court Purge included which brings us to new information in Battle Ground. Drakul seems to have gathered the remaining Black Court Elders and survivors as his own personal spec ops squad, he also refers to the Battle as a minor skirmish. Put these together and it's safe to assume Drakul was involved in the World Wars, which by their standards Battle of the Bean rpobably was a minor skirmish. Also for those of us who've read The Law
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2.OG Merlin/Mab- Biggest reveal would be that Mab 'rode with the conqueror' i.e. William The Conqueror which is when the estrangement with Titania after the Battle of Hastings occurred. When she was still mortal and sprouting pimples. She was in love with the OG Merlin. Otherwise we've got references to him being taught by Vadderung, saving sacred scrolls in Alexandria, forming the Vatican Church creating Demonreach and of course Arthurian legend.

3.Fae were or atleast their precursors in the Tuatha were crucial in taking down atleast some of the Titans Ethniu's Old Man included. Ancient Blood Fued included. Probably some ties to the Venatori there. Hopefully we get to see Lugh soon.

4. River Shoulders brief summary of Bigfoot history about Grendelkin and 'Beowulfs' leading of the early Vikings into a warrior culture.

5. Lara Raith was in Japan for a century when they weren't exactly welcoming foreigners.

6. Nothing new on the Seven Years War/ American Revolution saga.

7. Cortez was powerful enough to take on the Red Court, the last time they gathered in power at Chitzen Icta also Duke Ortega was a conquistador. kinda of a hate/hate relationship with his wife as a result.

8. Blackstaff events. I don't have the list in front of me Krakatoa, Tunguska and Madrid are the ones I remember.

9.White Court-Etrsucan.

10. Luccio hunting down the Soceity of Thule. Met Wyatt Earp who was a venatore.

Lemme know if there's anything I've forgot. Discuss. But as the best threads often need a question.

What historical event do you think had significant Supernatural influence?

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DF Spoilers / If you were a Minor Talent?
« on: July 24, 2022, 05:29:49 AM »
If you were a Minor Talent in Dresden Files what would your Talent be?

Unfortunately I think mine would be Third Sight.

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DF Spoilers / Greeks vs Romans
« on: June 28, 2022, 07:31:12 AM »
Rome conquered the Meditteranean and then some and arguably laster longer than classical Greece ever did. It would be a massive plot and narrative hole for the pantheon that ruled the Mediterranean to be ignored.

So I imagine we'll get some of these answered during the wrestling book, but how does Zeus vs Jupiter work out.

Is it like Vadderungs identities switching back and forth between Kringle and Odin?

Or did some of the ROmans take out Greek gods and assumed their mantles.

Now the latter might be a bit out there but here me out.

Ares vs Mars are two completely different Gods. Ares is a brutish thug the worst aspects of war. Athena was for strategies, wisdom, honour, valor etc. (Also the protogod before Bonea)

Mars however is a general, a soldier and patron of Rome. I could totally see a story where Mars killed the God of War one halloween and assumed his Mantle. As long as his name isn't Kratos copy right should be fine.

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