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I've seen many genre's "hacked" into this system, including superheroes.

A large part of superhero games can be loss of powers temporarily.  In some cases this comes from containment cells ( which can be represented by a high threshold ).  In some cases it is the presence of an item or being.  (Something that carries a threshold with it - only having an effect on certain beings powers).

How would you model someone (Marvel's: Scrambler) or something (gadget) that  neutralizes powers? 

I'm looking for a way to weaponize a threshold.  Maybe a new power; maybe a new way of using an old game mechanic. 

Ideas?


Along this same line of thinking: Some superheroes are simply immune to having powers neutralized (due to narrative or some other strange factor).  For purposes of this thread we are going to assume the whole "too powerful to be neutralized is not the reason for this immunity).

How does one model an immunity to thresholds? (other than the new power/rewrite I created and Sanctphrax helped to heavily edit along with the rest of the community)  Compel/tag/invoke an aspect?  Is there any reason to create or reskin a power for this phenomenon?

(If using the Immunity power: how much should immunity to thresholds cost in refresh?)

Also, is it possible to create a power additive? (at least for this superhero genre)

Example: neutralize immunity - this power is immune to the effects of thresholds/neutralize (- ? refresh)

Each power that was immune would cost -X refresh.

What could/should such a cost be?

Could a normal DFRPG game set in normal setting benefit from a power like this?

This may need moved to another section, but i think it could fit here.

I notice lately that we have a good portion of posts that seem incredulous to other posters.  I think we could promote more useful debates, converstions, and content if we understood each other a little better.  We used to be far more helpful to one anotehr and I want to get back to that as a community.  This may be a total flop, but I think it could be worth a shot.  There are no wrong answers, this is more or less an attempt at empathy for other posters.  Feel free to answer as many or as few of these questions as you like.

1. How did you start gaming?
2. What system did you start with?
3. What systems have you played?
4. What system/s are your favorite?
5. Is this your first system?
6. What caused you to try DFRPG?
7. What is your preference in gaming group size?
8. How open are you to gaming with people you don't know or hardly know?
9. What is your best quality as a player?
10. What is your worst qulity as a player?
11. What is you best quality as a GM?
12. What is your worst quality as a GM?
13. Importance of game balance 1 - 10 (1 being lowest 10 besing highest)
14. Importance of setting/canon of universe 1 - 10 (1 being lowest 10 besing highest)
15. Custom setting or established setting?
16. During character creation are freedom of powers more important or the chracter concept and the powers and skills fitting that concept? EDIT: FIXED!?
17. Roll play or role play?  Something inbetween? ( Role playing skills vs dice for resolving things in game)
18. Other: anything notable to volunteer that could explain your view of gaming or your posts on here (obviously mood, upbringing and personality has an affect here, but lets not get too personal eh?)

I'll start out hoping I start a trend.

1. Age 13. The local Magic (CCG) players at my local comic shop started playing this new game I never heard of and invited me along. Mind's Eye Theatre LARP based on White Wolf's Vampire the Masquerade (I think we all pretended to be other people or things growing up, I figure I'd start with my first official gaming group)  I took to it well.  I always liked video game RPG's also.

2. Mind's Eye Theatre LARP based on White Wolf's Vampire the Masquerade

3. MET (minds eye theatre), World of Darkness (1st-3rd editions) setting which has had over a dozen pseudo settings within it, D&D 2nd ed., D&D 3.X ed., (all associated game worlds) D&D 4.0 (once), D20 Star Wars, D20 Spy Craft, Pathfinder, Gamma World, Gurps, Palladium, Shadowrun (varous editions), Cyberpunk, Mechwarrior (battletech RPG), Big Eyes Small Mouth (anime system), MEGS (DC Heroes/Blood of Heroes), Marvel Roleplaying Game, Champions, Dragon Storm, West End Starwars, I tried Star Trek..kind of, I tried battlestar galactica, buffy, and a final fantasy RPG...played New World of Darkness, played Scion, have tried plenty of home spun systems.  those do not include video games CCg's etc.  I'm sure I left out varioussystems I try to forget.  Oh my bad...DFRPG!
 
4. I rather like old World of Darkness best.  I've enjoyed 2nd ed D&D.  MEGS can be fun.  I enjoy the DFRPG.

5. No

6. My friends convinced me to read the novels.  Then one got the Game Supplement books, said he wanted to try running it.  the rest is history.

7. TT(tabletop) - 3-6 players 1 GM  -----  LARP 1-4 ST's (usually more than 1...so hard wiht just 1) 18-50 players.

8.TT - not very but I will.  i prefer to get to know them first.  LARP - perfectly fine...odd eh?

9.getting into character or ingenuity during play

10. I am hard to get to metagame - this can lead to party conflicts if i won't budge because my character i stubborn even if the story would flow better if I would.  I have learned to be a munchkin and power gamer out of necessity due to some groups I have been in. I min/max fairly well.

11. compelling story/plot or ability to improvise

12. scaling difficulty of encounters/scenes

13.  depends on the group generally I'd say 8 but I can drop as low as 6 if I havea good group.

14. assuming it is not a homebrew world 7 or 8.  otherwise I don't care. The Incredible Hulk can be chinese and fly for all I care if the plot is good and we are clearly playing in an alternaverrse.

15. Both, but stick to it once you choose for the duration of the campaign 9long running game)

16. concept, but I like some room to stretch my creativity of course

17.  Something inbetween -  Roleplay with mechanics there to strongly back up play and to help reinforce roleplaying moments with skills as needed.

18. In my group I usually get stuck plying a leader type or the "talky one". This doesn't bother me.  I like to play a "sack of hammers" who just hits stuff sometimes as a diversion.  I try to play many diverse things/concepts to really be as different from me as possible.  I have enjoyed trying to see some of myself in my character though.  I p[refer to immerse myself into the setting and world I am in, but I don't mind distractions or table talk.  RL comes first even when I'm indulging my hobby.  Staying away from personal stuff for the most part, but I do like playing devils advocate and am a "epic wise ass", I root for the underdog.  I should mention I'm a pessimist and prefer to be wrong about things as a result.  I tend to mediate and be moderate rather than stick to my guns since I have many stubborn friends and think life is too short to argue in circles forever.


Hope this helps explain some of my positions on matters.

I very much like my character I curently play in a long running DFRPG game.

I have noticed however, that I seem to have refresh on my sheet that seems wasted to me now that I've been playing this character a long time.

Righteousness (-2) is a very good power at the beginning to middle part of many long running games (6-13 refresh range).  After that, the Desperate Hour power seems less efficient than most area spells players can use at that refresh level. It has no weapon rating (without custom stunts), it requires a semi specific set of circumstances to happen for the power to be usable and costs a fate point.  It is also only usable once a scene. (In case anyone wonders I keep Conviction as my top rated skill so it isn't a matter of having a low Conviction)

I also seem to have less and less use for Bless This House (-1).  Likely due to a lack of situations where it comes in handy.

I just notice (-3) refresh doing very little most of the time.  It doesn't bug me much, but I thought I'd try to get some advice or "comiserate" or something.

Does anyone else notice this in games where either refresh hits higher numbers or thresholds are simply less abundant?

I generally have no trouble with aspects, but every name I come up with sounds cheesy to me and I find them to be too broad.

What I'm looking for: An aspect that would fit a rather odd situtation. 
The situation is:            A true believer has been taught to wolf change by an Alpha. It made sense for the story believe it or not.
 I need something to represent the dichotomy of being part wolf (and all the compels that can go with animal instincts) and a True Believer ( faithful, usually honorable, strong sense of duty and loyalty).   I'm trying to create a double edged aspect one that can be positive or negative.

Any help or opinions would be welcome.

Thread created as a result of this post made by myself in the : "Balancing Evocation Accuracy" thread.


Supreme Strength. Whenever using your
Might to modify (page 214) another skill, it
always provides a +3 regardless of the actual
comparison of your Might score to the skill
in question." Your Story

Speed powers offer a similar boost to Athletics rolls.

Should the Might bonuses and Athletics bonuses be allowed to increase accuracy of attacks made with said attacks or modified by said skills?

I think it will create balance issues, especially with True Mortals.

Guillermo Del Toro recently wrote : Blackwood's Guide to Dangerous Faeries

I'm told it is a prequel to :Don't Be Afraid of the Dark; the new movie coming out.

Has all sorts of interesting myths about Fae in it...some draw parallels to the Dresdenverse.

It is also a pretty good read.

I encourage people to check it out.

Could in theory something with enough free will  choose, become a Denarian even if they aren't human?

We know wizards can become one.  It is safe to assume, minor practitioners can also.  Could certain vampires?  I'm assuming fae cannot.  Ghouls?  Werebeasts? Lycanthropes? WC virgins? Half Reds?  

Even crazier: dragons, temple dogs?  Though somethign tells me neither of those have traditional free will....

Cheesy? Overpowered? Yeah, very.  Is it possible?  Thoughts on this?

EDITS:

Theory persists and Fae cannot. Likely that vampires cannot.  Another theory suggests positive refresh is all that is required.