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DF Spoilers / Re: WAG.... Murphy has moved on
« on: June 25, 2018, 10:18:58 PM »
Oh my... I just had a odd thought about butters and his newfound abilities... he knows the human body atl...
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DF Spoilers / Re: Zoo Day Spoilers Are the gods watching over Dresden?
« on: June 25, 2018, 08:54:47 PM »Well we did find out what would have happened if he'd had sex with Maeve..... Jenny on the other hand should have been fun! lolan enquiry on that though... what if it had been as part of a deal like that, would the lady's mantle allow itself to be unbalanced by debt from a different mechanism in the mantle? It would be pitting it's own instincts against it's design.
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DF Spoilers / Re: The 5 gods of Lovecraft
« on: June 25, 2018, 08:32:59 PM »So you really don't understand the difference between the science word theory and the book-discussion word theory.You should probably read the new Q n A post from mothers day, where Jim outright says that Rashid was the previous Harry Dresden in the last cycle. Implying he WAS in fact the Warden, ergo his formation just got some merit, ergo a prediction. Or we could simply look at the fact he specifically used the word cycle and my over theory has to do with how time/history is repeating itself due to the gyre mentioned in Yeat's second coming which has then been referenced throughout the books. So I predicted the fact there WAS a cycle at all... I think I'm done here
Gravity being proven has nothing to do with anything. The Theory of Gravity having predictive power is what makes it a scientific theory; your theory which has succesfully predicted nothing cannot be a scientific theory (it could be a scientific hypothesis if it predicted something which had not yet come to pass).
The Q&A was posted mere hours ago, but seems to have been shot on Mother's day. I can't tell if the Label of it being 2017 is correct.Ohhh snaps, my theory just became viable by your own argument, huh? Thanks again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnIZcNMU_uM
The only Holy Shizz stuff for me was the heavy insinuation (he doesn't quite come right out and say it being Jim) that Rashid was the previous Warden of Demonreach.
There was also mention of Lucifer being a character, and another rundown of the Maggie Dresdenverse Hogwarts YA series co-written with his sister.
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DF Spoilers / Re: Could Saint Patrick still be running around?
« on: June 25, 2018, 06:35:20 PM »
I'm going to have to look in my actually book collection because I have forthwith been unable to find reference to in on the E-web. But I have read a pretty good comparison of St. Patrick and Odin/Fenrir. Something to do with how both stories have the same... metaphorical tones? Idk, basically it said they both depicted royalty being subsumed by a beast they'd previously contained or some such... really need to find it. It's the only proof I can think on connecting the Loup as Fenrir outside of the possibly ill said prophecy on the end of days and the dying out of the cursed line. But it also gives heavy implications on the idea Patrick cursed himself to contain the beast, which then figuratively consumed him.
*could maybe be in one of the histories of the multiple St. Patrick's somewhere...
*could maybe be in one of the histories of the multiple St. Patrick's somewhere...
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DF Spoilers / Re: Newly Posted Q&A
« on: June 25, 2018, 09:32:03 AM »
Holy Shizzle indeed! Thank you for posting this btw.
The most interesting thing to me is he specifically say's he 'was Harry Dresden last cycle]/I]'
more proof for my theories... MWaahahahaha!
The most interesting thing to me is he specifically say's he 'was Harry Dresden last cycle]/I]'
more proof for my theories... MWaahahahaha!
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DF Spoilers / Re: WAG.... Murphy has moved on
« on: June 25, 2018, 09:06:13 AM »Makes me wonder if Listen to Wind would have a Summer Mantle. He being a healer, and being big on protecting nature seems like a natural fit for him.... as short as he is I'd laugh if he was secretly EG. I'm still partial to Shakespear, but LTW would make an ironic donut scene too.
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DF Spoilers / Re: The 5 gods of Lovecraft
« on: June 24, 2018, 10:47:41 PM »I am attacking your abuse of the concept of a scientific theory, not the issues or you.And that is not at all like a scientific theory like the theory of evolution. They may have once started at a similar level, as a hypothesis grounded in data, but without predictions proven true (which we'd need more books for) your idea cannot proceed further.Actually smarty pants, Prove Gravity exists... you can't, it's still a theory. You can see the visible results from it, you can deduct the results of it's influence but you can't prove gravity exists because you can't visibly produce it(and before you wanna argue me on this, go argue the science guy on Tedtalks whose speech i'm ripping off instead, thanks)
on to the cutting at my edges and ad hominem things...
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attacking your abuse of the concept of a scientific theoryBut I didn't say scientific, this isn't science it's reading comprehension. So saying i'm abusing scientific theory's is actually just to try to insult me(cut those edges you
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you have no cluethat's ad hominem, and false, as I've proved already, but you insist on troping the same argument thinking it matters...
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isn't that you understand but have a trove of supporting data to support your assertion.this statement is simply asinine of itself here.
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A random wild guess that may or may not even fit the books is nothing like a scientific theory, sorry.Random wild guesses cannot, by their nature, be supported by a trove of date, your sorry feels similar to someone saying,"I don't mean to be rude, BUT." I'm actually going to be and this is my excuse me lately. Simply meant to cut again...
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Now, snipping back:See, and that's your assumption, AND your admission of self guilt, it's your intention. I'm simply defending my position.... successfully I might add
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Uhh, why? He has served since before humanity can remember, but at no point does he say there was a time humanity didn't know him. Just that current humanity doesn't remember that time.You do know how the Oblivion war works right? If humanity forgot him there would be a disassociation between him, and the him who is remembered. Which is why, for instance, Mab had the brothers Grimm reassert their prime identity by distributing knowledge on them.
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Humanity in 2000 BC knew him, Humanity in 1 AD knew him, Humanity in 2000 AD knew him, but Humanity in 2000 AD doesn't remember 2000 BC (mix and match dates as needed).That's Oblivion then ain't it... If here and know they don't remember whom he was then, then he's not that person anymore.
Now, quite apart from my ability to theorize, if your going to attempt to bother me on a personal level you'll need to bring a lot more game to the table...
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DF Spoilers / Re: The 5 gods of Lovecraft
« on: June 24, 2018, 05:06:20 PM »At this point I suppose we must conclude you have no clue what a scientific theory is, and so the resulting argument would fit better outside this forum - it clearly isn't that you understand but have a trove of supporting data to support your assertion.what? You sure your not attacking the person here? Getting in to dangerous territory with your inability to address the issues. attack the argument, not the person... if you even can
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Or maybe Scarecrow is saying that current humans do not remember everything any human ever remembered - so that what he's saying is "I was there with the early humans, whom you puny people don't even remember".Since before human memory. Those early humans also remember things now forgotten to Oblivion, intentionally. This isn't even a rebuke to the idea.... your idea confirms he'd be amongst the Obliviated....
*oh and uhh...
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Theorem= a general proposition not self-evident but proved by a chain of reasoning; a truth established by means of accepted truths.yea. See my Truths made real by establishment of other Truths... that some tend to conveniently ignore. I propose a general perspective of the DFverse based on these principle truths that I can point to in book and woj evidence to support ;p
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DF Spoilers / Re: The 5 gods of Lovecraft
« on: June 24, 2018, 07:02:11 AM »Well, I'm not the one claiming that I posit something equivalent to a sound scientific theory. As such my opinion is a fair enough argument, it just doesn't make my resulting pronouncement about the story a scientific theory.when did I use the word science? Are you doing science? NO? Still a sound deductive theorem and by all means I go more and more ammo for this one, just waiting in my subconscious mind to be retrieved by need... A theorem btw, is something that you can point back to as continual springboard into future cases of similar data patterns... I have a solid theorem. Made stronger by every person I have to debate on it,
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So far as we know it's precisely the Outer Gates and the Gatekeeper (backed by millions of Fae soldiers) that keep the creatures from manifesting left and right by stopping them at or outside the Gates. No guesswork about them having an agent on the inside necessary.Thar's not the same thing, at all. It's not Fearbringer taking over Scarecrow by mirage, It's not Scarecrow saying He's been serving the Queen of Air and Darkness(Not the Winter Queen note) since before human memory, cause human memory would be what keeps him, or any being from Oblivion, except perhaps an outsider trying to get back in Mmm? SO there is unequivocal proof in HIS, a fae's wording, he cannot have lied, unless he was Nemfected, which would simply prove the other half of my theorem correct.
....every good point I make nobody ever concedes to, the simply move on to a new straw man to throw up when they can't 'win' the original points in contention. You can't examine the fallacy before your face!?
To be my Last Laugh, BET
*Oh, just for giggles but you know Yeats Second Coming that's referenced repeatedly in the DF? It's in the Nyarlahotep Cycle, a compendium of works about or based on Nyarlahotep....
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DF Spoilers / Re: The 5 gods of Lovecraft
« on: June 24, 2018, 06:49:09 AM »They aren't from our reality, and want to destroy it. As Jim said "God created this sandbox, and locked the Outsiders out. They can only enter if humans invite them in because it's our sandbox."They've been invited in, repetitively. They are Outsiders because? Naagloshi are on par enough with Outsiders they are now to be contained by DR, except Originally they were a part of Reality. In fact, they were Angelic Beings.... who refused to move on. They didn't get locked out when some massive gate was originally closed on our sandbox. They were 'exorcised' later, and not by The Creator. See, this is the problem, lets look at what ya'll think Outsiders are because they are a shape that seems to conveniently fit whichever way would let you say a truth that does not directly address ANY of the larger situations or problems behind the current viewpoint. So by all means, Define precisely what an Outsider IS so I can proceed to rip the idea apart
Cause I see a lot of assumptions in the above statement.... Just like me you speak without any attention to deductive lacuna even though you cannot prove all parts of your statement unconditionally. YOU believe it and so it comes across as your truth, just like mine.
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DF Spoilers / Re: The 5 gods of Lovecraft
« on: June 24, 2018, 01:12:30 AM »A random wild guess that may or may not even fit the books is nothing like a scientific theory, sorry.actually it fits to a tittle
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Mother Winter and the Gatekeeper are rather clearly in the first line of defence against Outsiders. Now, they may be based on something from Outside crossing over, but much more likely seems that they are instead emergent features of reality; there is a reality and not-reality (Outside) and so they have to be separate. Something, or someone, has to stand on that line and maintain it - Winter and the Gatekeeper, at this time, as the prime champions of reality rather than Outside.A shame basing things on sheer opinion does not a theory make or unmake then. Huh, I mean you've all repeatedly tried to bat something aside with that one phrase, "I don't think." Perhaps you should?
And I don't think Nyarlathotep would like to be tied down at the Outer Gates so much.
Cthulhu saves the world after all
Also emergent features of reality... even Outside reality is a feature of reality per human though of what is beyond reality. We have lovecraftian outsiders in our belief systems now, inexplicably perhaps, but if we believe in them we give them purchase, You can't close the gates you can only define them. Nothing can be considered Outside except as Lovecrafts original intention, that of things that do not, and cannot be fathomed by human minds without breaking... we fathom these outsiders of lovecrafts, we even apparently do rituals across the DFverse based on said creatures... So what precisely stops these creatures from manifesting left and right besides already having a formation inside reality to rep them? See, it's the tough questions you gotta ask yourself to think on them. That's why I take all comers on certain theorums, I've asked the right questions.
*also known outsiders have cosmic magic spells that can summon them, but they are outsiders then because?
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DF Spoilers / Re: The 5 gods of Lovecraft
« on: June 23, 2018, 07:59:47 PM »Outsiders are not MantlesWhat is MW? What is a mask of identity based on things inside reality that cause fear, or those things that loathsomely cause death? All they have manifest as are 'Mantles' so far. Besides, Mantle is too limited. Grace also can be worn. And take away the subtle structure of the mantle and it's really no different from a possession. Fearbringer was a mantle of fear cause or felt by Molly, When Hwwbh manifest he did the same thing. Some of his aspects are actually found quite easily in Cat Sith,(his mouth, also he's manifesting Naagloshi..) hence him later being able to be the one controlling Sith with the 'look behind you' joke. It was a double ontondra to his identity. And the second time he's toyed with Harry til Harry 'wins', quite intentionally.
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DF Spoilers / Re: The 5 gods of Lovecraft
« on: June 23, 2018, 07:28:02 PM »Sorry, apples and oranges. The White Council is mortal wizards with rules, laws, and traditions built over thousands of years. The Grey Council is a covert group that was just thrown together with any allies they can find.You seriously think 13 is randomly going to pop up as the number when 13 wizards are the max to work on one spell? So we'll have 13... but you guys stand back while us seven work this mortal spellframe that you can't work on with us.... and the idea of the WC is kinda laughable to be put that way, they break their own rules, they have no idea why their laws actually exist, they really wouldn't have any clue to someone whose older then them, someone intentionally secretive, being anything but capable of mortal magic... Do you really think Odin is NOT? Because that's the only point that matters there, not if the council is aware or because they have traditions, can he pull off being a mortal wizard? Of course he can, the uncarved block has a mortal wizard in it. Just like Uriel having a human form under the Grace. The Grace being able to be separated so he becomes human shows a differentiation in totality. The mantle currently expressed being able to be changed so Odin can be fae or Aesir or his mortal guise beneath it? It's what GK's appearance is, his mortal formation before death, in some ways similar to Ferro eating a Centurion and ergo able to manifest just that tiny bit of himself. It's his "knight' without separation from person, just identity. Like if MW had her Stick she'd be Baba Yaga with her Mortar and pestle, go anywhere grind and eat anything. an alternative identity still connected to the whole.
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DF Spoilers / Re: Was Nemesis in Storm Front?
« on: June 23, 2018, 07:16:07 PM »The entire series has been building around Outsiders being the enemy, and now you got Mother Winter, Odin, and Rashid as Outsider gods... Anyone else you peg as an Outsider?Look again at Mab and what her Fortess actually is, It's a giant's home, a Jotun? MW is certainly an ice giantess... The whole story is predicated on the idea Outsiders finding a place inside. The Jotun Odin fought in his era became the source of power for the winter court, ergo denying them the ability to mirror those things in the darkness. That's the whole point of the fairy courts balance.
Hell the whole point of the DF is giving them masks in reality that are copacetic with existence.
Look at the stars on Lady Nights neck in CH, vs the 5 points of creation, the five times of DR, each syncing to a different source of creation or the five current in the Fae pantheon, Mab, Titania, EK, Kringle, and.... Nemesis.(more akin to Ursula here, the Queen version)
and go back, way back to the beginning, to when any of these things die. They all enter the same individual shadows, the same... imprint on the universe. Those five imprints are those 3 who walk before, he who walks behind and Nemesis.(the Mother version) It's why they are described similar to necromantic creatures being 'deep', they are echo's on creation that don't really wanna let it go.
They get to be so, because they tend to die per their descriptive name, others probably don't have the same description even if they come from the same archetype. Those who walk before the end, and he who walks after, Death. (hhwbh as death has many connections...) and the Judge who decides the Fate. The Horsemen once they have a viable host to be their beast of burden.... anytime those specific consciousness(or whatever, collective spiritual identity) manifest it's in tune with that description causing, by their own nature, The End. (hence why Nic specifically was calling apocalyptic powers of Disease, a previous horsemen he does not want an identity/aspects to come back to, so he spreads it out and then takes the smut with Anduriel.
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DF Spoilers / Re: The 5 gods of Lovecraft
« on: June 23, 2018, 05:22:05 PM »Alright well I think the first argument I'd make is that he's on the Senior Council. I think that after all this time they would have figured out he was not a mortal wizard. One of the big reasons for this is only mortal wizard can do certain kinds of magic, or at least that's the rules that have been laid out to us. I don't think he'd be allowed to be a member if he was not an actual wizard. No one else like Mab, or the Mothers, or Angels or anyone sits on the Senior Council except mortal wizards.And on the grey council either, but we already have one God/mortal on it, Odin. Wizardy is the required element and a mantle does not unmake a wizard. Odin manages both and GK's the next archetype over from Odin, He's Horus, more or less, in Origin. The Moon being his domain is the biggest indicator I remember on why... but we've previously hashed this out here at one point. I don't see a purely mortal nothing have a domain of their own(which is to say a place that they sync to exactly, Like Odin and Norway) that's gotten to by walking across the surface of the moon... NOW a moon god though....
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"The faceless god", "The messenger of the Outer gods", "The Crawling chaos"....The list goes on. Here is how the story goes when he was a Pharaoh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1rm9KRBg7gBesides MS telling her it's not her world, power level. She's a F'n beast in power? Various other reasonings, but most of what I theorize is springboarded off of what I consider other viable theory, Like MW is basically the embodiment of DR. The Traveling Stone next to her cottage is actually the lighthouse entrance, hence it leading to the Outer Gates. Also why it's originally put in as HERS and not theirs, MS just stays there by proxy. She's not Death so much as The End, of all things. Those forgotten become nothing more than an aspect of her Masks.(Lady Night, Nyx, the Darkness, oblivion conceptualized). An those things insider her waiting to get out? It's like the mental battles in GS, except she broke off a portion of herself, gave it leverage, to fight against the things struggling to get out.(your not immune to yourself, after all) If you want to get into the Lore, DR is the reason she's crippled, each hall represents one of her ankles, knee's, hips, shoulders, elbows and hands, respectively.
Mother Winter I guess could be an Outer god, but what indication is there besides her sunny disposition?