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DF Spoilers / Re: Out Law, novella (?)
« on: Today at 12:46:19 AM »
Quote from: Mira on September 13, 2025, 04:46:33 PM
... Back to the deep down point about Marcone, there was that little bit that Harry couldn't get to in the soul gaze.  There is that little bit that feels guilt and remorse over hurting a child.  That little bit says that redemption isn't totally out of the question for Marcone.

There's also the scene in the Raith Deeps:  Harry asks him to help rescue the innocents, and Marcone responds "who do you think I am?!"  Harry replies, "Someone who can help.  Maybe the only person who can help.  Please, John."  And Harry gets through to him.

A redemption-arc for Marcone isn't out of the question.


Picture a scene in the BAT where Marcone is fighting (with Thorny's backing) against Outsiders.

Marcone has his back up hard against the wall, no viable escape (despite having Thorny in his pocket), about to die.

Dresden says to Marcone, "You know John, the deal with the Fallen isn't the only deal on the table..." and he offers Marcone the hilt of Amoracchius.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Jim Butcher at Dragon Con 2025
« on: Today at 12:33:19 AM »
Quote from: Mira on Yesterday at 03:40:32 AM
So Mab could have been Queen by that time.  However wasn't it in either Peace Talks or Battleground it was mentioned how she used to ride with her lover before she became Lady?

Yes, Ethniu mocked Mab for -- iirc -- being a "pimple-faced" girl or somesuch, riding behind "the conqueror" and having some sort of romance/yearning/something with Merlin.

If we take the "pimples" literally, I think we can be sure she was a mortal then, not sidhe!
 

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DF Spoilers / Re: is Nicodemus Archleone *the* Nicodemus (from the Bible)?
« on: Today at 12:29:16 AM »
Quote from: Mira on Yesterday at 04:57:53 AM
... It says in
Skin Game that Nic has taken great pains over the centuries to hide his origins.  I looked up his last name is either Hebrew or Greek in origin, it sounds Greek to me, maybe that's where I got the impression ...
It has suddenly occurred to me:  very likely "Nicodemus Archleone" is a fake name: just misdirection, and entirely unrelated to his birth name.

But after a few millenia... odds are, there's only a few entities who know this!


Quote from: Mira on Yesterday at 04:57:53 AM
... the 37 coins of silver that Judas was paid ...
30, fwiw.
Many of them are un-named onscreen.  Quite a few haven't even had any "onscreen" time.

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DF Spoilers / Re: is Nicodemus Archleone *the* Nicodemus (from the Bible)?
« on: September 16, 2025, 05:41:45 PM »
Quote from: Mira on September 15, 2025, 02:11:05 PM
... I seem to remember in Skin Game that it was mentioned that Nic had Greek origins ...
I don't recall this, but could easily have missed it...  Can you find the citation, perchance?

Quote from: Mira on September 15, 2025, 02:11:05 PM
... However since Greeks did travel in the time of Jesus, both can be true at once ...
The "Hellenistic" period of Greek dominance throughout the eastern-Med / middle-East was just coming to a close, but people with "Greek origins" were ubiquitous across the entire region.
 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Jim Butcher at Dragon Con 2025
« on: September 16, 2025, 05:14:46 PM »
Quote from: Mira on September 16, 2025, 12:23:39 PM
That's how it appears, my only question on that is when did Mab give birth to her twin girls?
I think it was some time in the 1700's/1800's; but it could have been earlier or later.
The only quote I found was this one:
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Maeve and Sarissa were twin sisters, from Mab. Their father was an Austrian composer and musician who died young.
https://wordof.jim-butcher.com/index.php/word-of-jim-woj-compilation/woj-on-the-fae/

I've seen "1800's" confidently stated on Reddit, but AFAIK they were working from that same quote/WoJ (which has no date).
 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Jim Butcher at Dragon Con 2025
« on: September 16, 2025, 12:03:11 AM »
Quote from: RobReece on September 14, 2025, 05:52:23 AM
I remember seeing that sex with the Winter Lady would likely kill one of them, but I don't remember their being a corollary for other beings of power.  But I'm willing to listen.   

I think the Winter Lady is required by Winter to be a virgin; it's part of the mythic "Maiden/Mother/Crone" archetype she embodies.  She would (even if involuntarily) fight to the death to prevent that changing (we saw it in the Molly novella, where she crippled Carlos).

But WOJ is that the Whampire sex-mojo combines with exponential force, when interacting with the WK sex-and-violence thing.  Neither party is going to be able to control the resulting explosion, and death will be the outcome.

Thus, a non-WK alt!Harry could boink Lara without murderizing her (I suspect, fwiw, that other "creatures who do the succubus schtick" (as Harry & Bob discussed iirc during a prior case-file) would also combine very badly with the WK-mantle).

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DF Spoilers / Re: Out Law, novella (?)
« on: September 12, 2025, 06:24:24 PM »
Quote from: Mira on September 12, 2025, 12:53:44 PM
Or if it walks like a duck..... Or Sanya plays lip service to it for his own reasons, but the Almighty and the angel in charge of his Sword knows what is really in his heart.  I suspect the latter..

He doesn't have to believe.
He just has to be really, deeply, good... all the way down (and strong enough to bear the burden).

Just like Butters, whose Faith is evidently Jedi not Christian.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Jim Butcher at Dragon Con 2025
« on: September 12, 2025, 06:22:05 PM »
Quote from: Lord Kinbote on September 11, 2025, 08:31:43 PM
... The bigger question to me is whether there will be consummation.
I expect so because Mab will demand it.
Jim has said that the Whampire sex-mojo interfaces badly with the WK-mantle's sex/violence/territoriality thing.  Things rapidly spiral out of control; it's more than the two "adding together," it's more like they multiply one another.

I expect only one of them would survive the attempt to consummate the marriage.

One resolution that seems possible:  the MirrorMirror story will see the Harrys swap universes, and it'll be MirrorHarry (without a WK Mantle) who marries Lara and consummates the wedding (likely becoming Lara's thrall).
 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Out Law, novella (?)
« on: September 11, 2025, 07:54:43 PM »
Quote from: Mira on September 10, 2025, 03:52:27 AM
... Anything is possible, Sanya was a Communist atheist and ultimately gave up his coin and became a KotC. 

Erm... apparently, Sanya still is a Communist atheist who's also a KotC.

Though when pressed, he admits he's more agnostic than atheist.

And of course he protests he's a Marxist, not a Communist.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Jim Butcher at Dragon Con 2025
« on: September 11, 2025, 07:47:38 PM »
Quote from: Mira on September 11, 2025, 01:21:08 PM
That's a really good point, maybe Mouse will turn out to be the "Spock" in the story?...
I note that Mouse came to Harry in book 6, after "the choice" (divergence point) in book 3.  There's no guarantee that mirror!Mouse is part of mirror!Harry's life... but no guarantee that he's not, either.

I can envision the mirrorverse where Mouse is despondently masquerading as "just a dog" even from his Harry (who has turned out to be more Sith than Jedi)... then Mouse gets exposed to _our_ Harry...
the Harry who can tap Soulfire...
the Harry who has befriended a bunch of KotC's...
the Harry who has worked directly with Uriel...
And I'm pretty sure Mouse can tell the difference; he's a Foo Dog, a servant of the Holy, a guardian, a detector of evil.  Mouse discovers, to his joy, a Harry who is fundamentally one of the good guys.

Quote from: Mira on September 11, 2025, 01:21:08 PM
... I won't be shocked to find at the end of Twelve Months, that both Harry and Lara figure out a way out of getting married.
I'm expecting exactly the opposite -- that a big part of their "courtship" process will be them twisting in the jaws of Mab's trap, trying to figure out how to get out of the marriage (without giving mortal offense to Mab); but the marriage won't go through because Harry gets ripped to the mirror'verse on the wedding-day.
(with the consequence (when he gets home) of having apparently publicly flouted Mab's orders (which she cannot tolerate in a WK) and having humiliated the White Princess by jilting her at the altar (which will enrage her))

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DF Spoilers / Re: Jim Butcher at Dragon Con 2025
« on: September 10, 2025, 04:29:32 AM »
Quote from: Mira on September 10, 2025, 03:58:07 AM

  I find it interesting that Mouse will be with Harry in Mirrormirror because he is now offically Maggie's service dog and pretty much stays by her side.  Is this a hint that something happens to Maggie and Mouse and Harry go looking for her in an alternate universe?
My theory:  there is no Maggie in the Mirrorverse.
Susan & Harry's story was just very very different.


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DF Spoilers / Re: Out Law, novella (?)
« on: September 09, 2025, 03:34:47 PM »
Quote from: Mira on September 09, 2025, 03:59:12 AM
  Why not a former gangster Knight who has learned how to be a wizard?  Not impossible, of course Marcone would have to give up his coin, if he got disgusted enough he might. Marcone is a gangster, but he still has a smidge of conscience, he feels guilt for that little girl that got wounded because of him.  He also must have some faith deep down, remember he wanted the Shroud in hope that it had the power to cure the girl. 

Gentleman Johnny also very very very much wishes to be his Own Man.
And that is fundamentally impossible for a KotBD hosting one of the Fallen.

But the un-Fallen?  They are all about that Mortal Free Will.

If John ever comes to understand that, he'd flip sides in an instant.  Of course, it'd take... errr... some "other changes," let's say... for him to become eligible to become a KotC!

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DF Spoilers / is Nicodemus Archleone *the* Nicodemus (from the Bible)?
« on: September 08, 2025, 08:04:47 PM »
John 3:3 --
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Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”

(I mean... I don't think we know, for sure; afaik there's neither WoJ nor book-reference.  So I guess I mean "how likely do you think it is" rather than just "is" the DF one the same as the Biblical one)

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DF Spoilers / Re: Out Law, novella (?)
« on: September 08, 2025, 06:37:26 PM »
Quote from: RobReece on September 08, 2025, 02:20:42 PM
For that to happen,  Marcone will have to take Sanya's route and give up his coin.  There's already a Jewish Knight and an agnostic Knight, but I don't think Jim would propose for anyone to hold a coin and a sword at the same time, even temporarily.

Could you see Harry as the Triple Knight? Winter, Coin and Sword?

The only way for one person to be simultaneously a KotBD & KotC would be for that Denarian to renounce their Fall and to be redeemed.  I don't think that's going to happen, AFAIK it's canonically "impossible..." but that's real-world Church canon, and Jim is in charge of what's possible & what happens in the canon of the Dresdenverse.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry Dresden's New Apprentice!!?!
« on: September 08, 2025, 06:33:28 PM »
Quote from: Mira on September 08, 2025, 01:40:51 PM
  I don't think we've seen the last of Rawlings... he killed Murphy, Harry came close to killing him for doing that, but justice one way or the other hasn't been resolved ...

You're talking about Rudy, not Rawlins (no "g").

Rawlins is a beat cop, an older one who worked with Karrin's dad; he tries not to address the reality of the supernatural, but he absolutely believes. We first met him in Dead Beat, where he was working the security detail at SPLATTERCON!!! when Harry arrived to investigate.

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