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DF Reference Collection / Re: [CD spoilers] Small Favor
« on: December 18, 2012, 08:44:42 PM »
Except that was what tipped Harry off to the fact that they were tracking him via the leaf, and gave him the idea of the the LC-Mister-Catnip trick.

Right, I'm 100% on board here. Fix warned Harry, against the spirit of the command given him, and informed him how to at least postpone his near-death experiences.

I was saying that Fix telling harry to remember the leaf wasn't fix telling Harry to remember the leaf when a short humanoid wizard killing billy goat confronts you on a sentient island.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [CD spoilers] Small Favor
« on: December 18, 2012, 08:18:49 PM »
May I remind you this conversation between Harry and Fix: (Fix made no move toward the shotgun.
“Harry,” he said, as the truck started to pull out. His mouth twitched a few times before he blurted, “Remember the leaf Lily gave you.”)

But they were using the leaf to track Harry. That's what Fix was talking about. Elder Gruff explicitly said that the favor guaranteed by the leaf wasn't in its self enough to grant Harry his life, so either Fix is crappy at helping people, or that was a whole 'nother thing.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [CD spoilers] Small Favor
« on: December 17, 2012, 04:18:57 PM »
But that's not what she's actually doing, I would contend.

Mab can't directly coerce Harry to do any particular task - she gave her word on that point in SK. Titania sending hunters after Harry is doing that coercion for Mab.  As for the degree of danger she's actually putting Harry in; anybody looking at Harry's record prior to SmF will correctly conclude that lesser gruffs have no real chance to succeed against him - and Eldest clearly has not been given orders that lock him down to killing Harry rather than leading Harry to the loophole that saves him, which to my mind is clearly deliberate.

So you're contending that Titania sent gruffs to menace Harry and the carpenters (with clear orders to kill and maim), to kill Harry with automatic weapons, forcing him to jump off a roof to get away, and to send a gigantic giant-sized gruff who very nearly killed him in multiple instances within their kerfuffle, and then she continued to menace him by sending a Gruff who was a heavy hitter even after Ivy and Marcone had be rescued, with the idea that the heavy hitter gruff would lure Harry into uncovering a loophole Harry had never considered previous to the conversation with the Eldest Gruff, and Titania did all thise to make Harry do Mab's thing harder? (TWSS)

Just seems like the Rube Goldberg machine of plot devices.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [CD spoilers] Small Favor
« on: December 16, 2012, 09:40:35 PM »
Titania

Titania was just an idiot. She sends (WOJ) her minions to counter Mab's minions, and kill the winter emissary, without looking at the big picture.

Two possible explanations (Thx GrandPanjandrum and wildfire393):

- due to a severe breakdown in communication (one millennium since their last conversation ), Titania could not see the big picture

- due to her very nature she had to respond to Mab. Yet her response still let Harry escape in the end (Fix gives him the idea about the leaf).

The whole thing with Titania and Summer in Small Favor just misses the mark for me. Titania is a mirror of Mab, she ought to be aware that the abduction of one party of the accords by another party of the accords is not something that can be allowed to happen without retaliation by any of them.

So not only does Summer fail to aid the efforts to punish the Denarians, she actively opposes those efforts and impedes them and nearly kills the one guy trying to set it right in the process.

I also understand that Summer can't change their spots, so Aurora's death can't go unaddressed forever, and I understand the nature of the Summer/Winter relationship.

But somehow I just don't buy that Summer can't see the far, far reaching ramifications of the abduction not only of Marcone but also of Ivy. Not taking an active role in the effort is one thing, but taking an antagonistic role in Harry's investigation, that's nuts. It seems to me that Titania is actually exercising free will there (and later, when she doesn't kill Harry in CD despite her Summer nature demanding such).

And it also doesn't really jive that Harry gets becomes a bullseye that gets shot at just because of his emissary status, when there wasn't a formal force against Harry in SK. Maybe Titania can only come after him when he's associated with Faerie?

But then, why not a more concerted effort in Cold Days (actually, why not any effort at all)?

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