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Yeah, this has been done so many times. I've seen him anywhere between 10 and 30+ refresh.

Everyone can poison most weapons and a number of creatures already have the "venomous" upgrade to their claws. That's what bypasses that catch.

How would it work though? In relation to toughness would the poison act as like a corrosive? I can see poison hindering recovery but toughness is a little harder to explain.

Another point, what do you define as poisonous? Chocolate is technically toxic, does that count?

Would you mind posting the build for this character?

Another thing, does 8 foot tall meet the requirements for hulking size? I always assumed you have to be in excess of 10 foot at least for that.

I had an idea about a different Holy Warrior, and how to empower them.

Either a Tattoo, or possibly engraved on the bones (like sam and dean from supernatural) a symbol that lest the wearer/weilder empower a Construct which Surrounds the wearer/weilder, like a suite of armor.

How would you go about constructing something like that inside the rules frame work.

I figure either go shamanic, adding "bears strength, eagles sight, salmons wisdom..." and so on, or actually simulate a creature of legend, a jann, or a winged knight, or what ever. Possibly something Hindu, with extra arms and a blue skin tone. Any sugestions, rule wise?

I think your best bet would be to take Marked By Power and Human Form affecting whatever powers are thematic for the diety in question.

I am not looking for modern tank armor layer-wise. I am just going to take the superalloy (not the ceramics), melt them and then put them into a 4-inch-thick full plate. That would be the equivalent in both weight and toughness to 10 inches of steel or so. I am picking the really dense metals because of mobility - if the armor is too thick, it is going to be really unwieldy.
In comparison, the heavier tank armors today are equivalent in toughness, at least for the first couple of hits, to 40 inches of steel. That is due to the advanced ceramics and reactive explosive layers they use to dissipate hits from main tank guns. However, that kind of armor degrades rapidly against repeated hits, even from relatively lighter weapons like RPGs


The suggestion of using some supernatural with skill in armor-making is a good idea. Instead of trying to do the armor as a mundane item, we could add a few supernatural goodies into an IoP like the following that the giant in question could spend earned refresh to get, using the whole forging thing as a flavor justification;

Armor of Talos [-1]
Made by magically forging heavy metals taken out of wrecked armored vehicles, this suit of armor is one of the heaviest in the battlefield.
* It is what it is: a 30-ton, giant-sized full plate. It has armor rating 4, can only be worn by giants or similarly-sized humanoids and requires an effective might score of +16 to lift and wear effectively.
* One-time discount
* Superdense material: the armor is made of really dense metals and is better able to absorb physical punishment. +1 armor vs physical attacks, a further +1 vs ranged piercing attacks.
* Energy Resistance: the material of the armor is extremely heat and corrosion resistant and acts as a faraday cage. The wearer gets +2 to defense rolls vs such energy attacks.
* Runes Protection: lots of warding runes have been carved onto the armor, providing minimal resistance to magic. The wearer gets +2 to defense rolls vs direct magical attacks.

So this is effecively armor 6 against ranged physical attacks, magic, heat, electricity, acid, AND mental attacks. That seems massively broken for -1 refresh.

Hell, I would argue that Mythic Toughness isn't this good and that comes with a catch as well as costing at minimum three times as much.

Why is the active character in your scenario, stabbald, taking less damage from the grenade by holding it in their hand while it explodes? (a grenade is normally weapon:4, against everyone in the zone, but this character, by holding it, is treating it as a weapon:3?)

The side holding the grenade is stronger so the force generated is forced in the other direction. This is sound physics and is the reason shaped charges work.

Keep in mind I specified that the character in question would need to have massive strength as well as toughness for this to work.

First off, I would like to say that in any game I run, since a 50 bmg is a weapon:4, I would allow a full auto .50 like an M2 to be a weapon:5.

As for a zone attack, I would actually allow it.

However, since magic users have to invest 2 extra shifts in order to affect a zone, I would rule that a machine gun with a weapon:5 would be a weapon:3 for a zone attack. (5-2)

Still not too shabby, but not ridonkulous either.

I agree with this, except for the weapon 5 bit. I would add +1 accuracy shifts instead much in the same way the Storyteller System works for burst fire, with a minimu strength of course otherwise there would be massive accuracy penalties.

Good luck getting one of these though, they don't grow on trees for good reason.

This is a perfect example of why FATE is usually so abstract. Worrying about how to handle this will only bring you grief. Because if every weird action in combat needs special rules, then you`ll have problems every time your players get creative.

PS: Congratulations on your 1000th post, devonapple.

I think it's perfectly sensible to rule on things like this. If you don't, you run into the danger of allowing your players to create increasingly obscure attacks and bogging your game down in mind numbingly boring power gaming.

I'd deal with this attack in one of two ways.

1) If the character has both Mythic Toughness and atleast Supernatural Strength it would work much like a shaped charge with the vast amount of energy going through the BBEG as energy always seeks the path of least resistance. I'd treat it as a weapon 5 attack against the BBEG and 3 against the character, using fists to aim but NOT allowing extra shifts to increase damage as he's using a makeshift weapon that is not at all designed to be used that way and he's effectively (as described in the above scenario) merely shoving the guy with it rather than using a closed fist.

2) If he has the toughness but lower strength then the above would still happen but the character would need to spend a fate point to keep his hand closed around the grenade AND would gain at the very least a severe consequence of dislocated hand (just because he can take the punishment doesn't mean he has the strength to avoid a powerful explosion from ripping his fingers out of their sockets).