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DF Spoilers / Re: Two plus two is Starborn
« on: June 10, 2025, 01:10:34 AM »
Actually, we don't know Justine "had to be infected by someone."  We have no viable nor exhaustive list of Nemvectors; person-to-person spread may not even be one of them!  IIRC, we don't know of any person-to-person transfers.  Lea got Nemfected by Morgana's Athame (not by a "person" but by a "cursed item"), and I think that's the only Nemfection whose provenance we know precisely (tho there's plenty of WAGs about others).
No, we 100% know for sure that Maeve was Nemfected; that's why Mab ordered her killed.  We know it came from Lea, though not precisely how.
We know that infection is not simple. Otherwise, why did the White Court vector (whatever it was) not go after Lara? They got to Justine and theoretically should have been a step closer to getting Lara. As far as we know, Lara is free from infection. It is not as simple as person to person because then Justine should have been able to infect Lara while serving as her personal assistant. I assume that at some point we will learn the whole story. My guess is that Harry/Lara will capture Justine and in the process of trying to cure her interrogate her to learn more and fill in some of the gaps in their knowledge.

My best bet is that her Nemfection happened somewhere in the White Court.  There is a LOT of Outsider influence / presence amongst the Whampires, and I'm betting it was "someone... or something" who Nemfected her there, with my first guess being something in the private "Starborn/Outsider Apocalypse" collection of Raith Père, after she began acting as Lara's personal assistant.  (On a slight tangent:  I further WAG that the substantive Outsider problems amongst the Whamps is Mab's "main" motivation in contracting a marriage between her Starborn-Wizard Winterknight, and White Princess Lara).

I don't discount @Mira's theory, though, that Justine was a deep plant:  Nemfected before we first met her, worming her way into Thomas' affections, in order to get to Harry.  This is my own 2nd-favorite theory.

We know the infection happened about the time that Justine started working for Lara. Therefore, sometime after Blood Rites. We know from the Marcone story that Justine was sent as Mab's envoy to other accorded nations. She could have been infected on one of these trips away from the White Court or, as suggested, by Nemesis influence in the White Court seeking a closer connection to the queen.

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DF Spoilers / Re: RNT: How Does Air Magic Interact With Physics?
« on: June 10, 2025, 12:59:51 AM »
FWIW, Langtry is an Air mage; fundamentally, that's the magic he used to simul-speak everyone in the Council chamber (when Peabody cracked containment on the mistfiend).

IIRC, Bob has been described as an "airy spirit" and a "spirit of intellect" -- thoughts are tied in the Dresdenverse to the element of Air.

I never thought of Air Magic being the method of conveying his speech to everyone in the Council. I assumed it was some form of sanctioned mind magic.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Children of the sun
« on: June 10, 2025, 12:58:39 AM »
IIRC there's some strong hints (maybe even a WoJ?) that there's an Alera / CinderSpires link, but less so for something as close to our "Modern World" as the Dresden'verse is.

I think I saw a WAG once that the author did not confirm that the Warriorborn of Cinder Spires are the end results of generations of mating between Canin and humans.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ghost Story--two things
« on: June 09, 2025, 04:31:14 PM »
GS took me a while to come to grips with it, but I did so by about 1/3 - 1/2 way through, and enjoyed the rest (and all of each re-read) very much.

I think Winter -- or at least the Winter Knight -- is very physical, very embodied, very animal.
Winter has very little traction with a ghost/soul.

Agreed. I would add that Winter is about the primal urges. A ghost transcends the physical and the primal urges no longer impact it.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Thomas
« on: June 09, 2025, 04:29:06 PM »
  The same in many ways could be said for Lara, however she remains a dangerous vampire with the values that go with it.
   More clearly Thomas is now like having a pet tiger in your house.  No, I am not saying that Thomas is in any way a pet.  What I am saying is that pet tiger might trust that you will feed him and care for him, he might even show affection for you.. However that tiger is still a tiger and has reverted back to what nature intended, and you can't trust that he won't turn and eat you some day.  I believe that is what Eb is trying to tell Harry.

I would contend that Lara sees Harry as a trusted enemy not ally. Someone you know can turn on you, but you also can trust them to act a certain way. In Harry's case, he is a know white knight that has a strong moral compass. Lara knows what strings she can pull to get a certain response out of Harry. It will be interesting to see how this might change in Twelve Months.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Thomas
« on: June 07, 2025, 01:56:59 AM »
I don't think the Skinwalker did "convert" Thomas; not really.
It tortured Thomas until he gave up hope in his gentler and more-loving aspirations.

But even then, he wasn't the merciless predator it had tried to create:  he was angry & hurt that Harry still wanted that from him & for him, expected it of him.  He wouldn't have been hurting/angry if some part of him didn't still see that as better!  The Skinwalker had convinced him that he was a broken thing, unworthy of having nice emotions & nice relationships.

Agreed. The Skinwalker just tortured him to near death and allowed him to feed himself back to health. He wasn't actively trying to talk him into something he was just training him. I liken it to taking a recovering alcoholic, trapping him without water, waiting until her was dehydrated, and giving him only alcohol to drink. The alcoholic will walk out thinking that alcohol is what has freed him from his prison and i necessary for his ongoing life.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ghost Story--two things
« on: June 07, 2025, 01:53:46 AM »
I agree that Ghost Story was the odd story out for me. I read it when I first came out and then didn't touch it again for a long time. I just kept reading around it. I think part of that was due to it being so different narratively speaking. We don't see the typical Harry kicking butt and taking names. Another part of it being odd was that in a way nothing changed. Yes, Harry learned some things, but it was just a bridge to get him from his death to the Winter Knight arc. It didn't help that outside of one bit of dialogue in Cold Days and another small bit in Skin Game (both with Butters I believe), there really has not been much mention of the events of GS by the characters.

That being said, it has grown on me. I now see it as a refreshing change of pace from the other stories. I have come to like the introspection and Harry digging deeper into himself. Ghost Story is part of the reason I am excited for Twelve Months. I'm hoping we get another character piece as opposed to an action piece.

As to your second question, as I understand it, Harry was drawing on his memories to act upon the world. He was only able to interact within the sphere of how he remembered acting. Since he had not done any work really as the Winter Knight, he did not have any memories to draw upon to fuel Winter Knight-like actions.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Thomas
« on: June 04, 2025, 08:12:40 PM »
It's a hard call at this point.  Yes, Thomas learned some elementary or rudimentary spells, but on the surface anyway, he didn't seem interested on learning more.  Was that because as a vampire he didn't think he needed to know more?  Did he fear his father would kill him outright if he did?  Remember Thomas was very into playing the dumb playboy type to stay alive, when we first meet him because of his father.  Or is this in fact as far as Thomas can go with his talent?  He has had his chances to learn more, he lived with Harry for a year and he was a protector of the Paranet and had contact with Elaine.  Was he also afraid of the Wardens if they figured out how talented he really was?  One problem with that if I remember correctly, Harry seems to have a "spidy sense" vibs when he is around someone with considerable magical talent, he has never mentioned it as far as Thomas goes.. But then again I could be remembering that wrong, and Harry also has been clueless at times. One more question, and it may be elementary because Thomas was very young when Margaret left him for Malcolm..  Surely she would have known that as her son, Thomas potentially had talent, maybe lots of talent.  She had to also know how dangerous a WCV wizard would or could be.  So knowing this, why did she leave him behind?  Yeah, maybe roll of the dice, no talent, little talent, potential kick ass wizard, worth the chance?  Or did she have ways of blocking that aspect of her genes when she conceived Thomas with Raith?  Or did she have another way of knowing her six year old son's magical talent would be limited at best?

You are absolutely correct that Thomas has had the opportunity to learn more if he wanted to. It brings up the question of where he learned his basic spells from. Did Harry teach him that? If so, why did Thomas not learn more? It very well could be out of fear as Mira suggested. Fear of the Council or fear of his father/Lara viewing him as a threat.

As far as Harry having a "spidey sense" with regards to magical talent, he can tell either through direct physical contact with someone or by deliberately reaching out with his senses to scan their aura. Harry has said that when he touches another person with magical talent it feels like an electric shock with bigger jolts corresponding to bigger talents. If I recall correctly, actively sensing someone's aura is harder to do and more invasive. It is uncomfortable for the wizard having their aura scanned and therefore not considered polite. Most wizards do not do that for that reason. In addition, wizards can shield their aura at least partly. As far as Maggie Sr goes, we know that magic is passed along the female line. Therefore, she would have had to know that Thomas would have had a chance at inheriting magic. Magical talent does not express until early teenage years and I do not think there is a way to gauge magic talent before it is expressed.

I have wondered a lot about what made Margaret decide to leave Thomas behind? In some thoughts she is the villain, in some the victim. Maybe she thought that a life on the run would be less safe for her child than staying at home with his abusive father but being integrated into a strong family clan with at least one loving sister (Lara).
Or was she forced to leave alone in a situation of flight or death?
I think somewhere there is a WOJ that Maggie had already met Malcom and was pregnant with Harry when she left Raith for good and went into hiding. If I was guessing, I think she left to protect Harry and could not safely take Thomas with her. Especially if she knew Harry would be starborn and was trying to keep Raith from getting his hands on Harry.

Or did she make a bargain with someone/fae (Leanansidhe?) or with Lara for protection for Thomas?
I do not know if she made a bargain with Lara, but the author states that she did not make a bargain with Lea covering Thomas because she figured Thomas was  a baby shark and could protect himself.

Did she suppress his magical talent to make him seem like no threat to Raith's power?
Until he was old enough to express his magical talent there was nothing for her to suppress. Unless she was able to put some type of shield over him tied to his lifeline/soul before he expressed his talent in order to hide it from prying eyes. We know she tied the death curse on Lord Raith to her kids life, so it is possible to tie a spell to someone.

How involved was she in the plan to produce a starborn child? And when her first attempt failed, she left her failure (Thomas) like garbage to try again?
Someone asked the author this specifically. He said that Thomas was not planned and was just the result of having lots of awesome vampire sex. No word on if Harry was intentionally conceived to be starborn or not. We know that Maggie Sr loved Harry's father so he could just be a result that love and cosmic coincidence or she could have been shooting for a specific time to become pregnant by Malcom.

There seemed to be some love between her and Thomas, or she wouldn't have linked her sons' amulets to trigger her appearance during their soul gaze. But for her to do that, she must have known that there will be a future second child.
Was she prescient? Or did someone tell her? Or did she plan it all ahead?
She knew she was pregnant when she set up the amulet linkage. She might have even had Harry at that point. In the amulet message to Thomas she told him to look out for his brother. Thomas had memories of his mother and already knew that he had a brother.


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DF Spoilers / Re: Thomas
« on: June 03, 2025, 07:24:41 PM »
However that being said, Thomas might be just being modest. Or his talent was never allowed to show itself and develop because the last thing Lord Raith would have wanted was one of his sons to have magical talent and kick his ass with it some day.  Especially if Thomas was aware that Lord Raith murdered his mother, like Harry, he would want revenge.  It just makes sense genetically that Thomas would be born with some talent considering his mother, grandfather, and brother are or were powerful wizards.

I can definitely see Lord Raith actively discouraging Thomas and/or trying to prevent Thomas from learning magic. To keep him weaker and thus easier to dispose of, out of fear because of what Maggie Sr did to him, and as a means of control over Thomas.

Cool, thanks for the WoJ.
Yes, I do remember Thomas using tracking spells. This sounds as if magical ability in WCVs can only go to a certain level. Could be suppressed by the Hunger Demon. That's why I think, he might have magic, but not to which extent. But I am not sure if he has used his abilities enough for the magic not to "dry out", like it did in Charity.

Ok, Charity didn't use her magic at all for years and I think Thomas uses his more regularly, though only occasional tracking spells.

And yes, it will be interesting to see how and if his viewpoint would change if he can no longer rely on his vampire powers.
Charity was actively denying/suppressing her powers out of shame. Thomas spent time and effort to learn how to at least do a tracking spell and has used it actively. We don't know how often. We don't know what other spells he may know. If his vampiric nature is stripped away and he is fully human, I agree that it would make sense for him to explore his magical talents more. This would allow him to still fight the good fight and not shift away from the supernatural completely. It sets up an interesting scenario of Harry having to train him and them butting heads.

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DF Spoilers / Re: RNT: What is The Enemy's Plan in Storm Front?
« on: June 03, 2025, 07:18:12 PM »
Or the White Council hadn't really been challenged in so long they couldn't conceive that they could be attacked, especially from the inside.

There is definitely a degree of institutional delusion present in the White Council. As high and mighty wizards capable of commanding the powers of the universe they see themselves as the protectors of humanity. They are the shining bulwark against the darkness. This is backed up by centuries of tradition. The war with the Red Court exposed some of their weaknesses (ex not having enough wardens) and the Peabody event showed that their are wizards who are willing to die for a different set of beliefs just to bring the council down. The fracture lines are showing.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Thomas
« on: June 03, 2025, 02:54:35 PM »
So I think, he will become fully human, maybe during his time of adjustment, he finds out that he has a little magical talent, maybe not. Maybe it's just weak like some paranetters.
And there is of course still the Justine situation: there will be grief, a search going on for the woman and the baby and who knows how this will turn out.

And then, but not too soon, he will find out that he was meant for Amoraccius from the beginning.

Thomas taking up the sword after becoming human is in my opinion the only solution for him to stay in Harry's world, to become "useful" again. From the story's perspective. 
The other would be becoming a wizard, but I don't think his talent would be relevant in future events, meaning the BAT, Outsiders breaking through the Gates and so on. But the Sword of Love will be.

Just as a side note, Thomas already has some magical talent. Here is a WOJ:
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‘Are there White Court vampire wizards?’
Yes, there are. Thomas is middle-of-the-road in power and [ed: think I’m remembering this correctly] the strongest don’t get as strong as mortal wizards [/ed], but they can pull off some strong tricks with their Hunger.

In addition, in the short story where Thomas has to fight in the Oblivion War, Thomas uses a tracking spell to find Harry and mentions that he (Thomas) views magic like a mechanic or a plumber (I forget which) whereas Harry views magic as a higher purpose. If Thomas does decided to pursue magic more it would be interesting to see his viewpoint on magic change.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Children of the sun
« on: June 03, 2025, 02:43:53 PM »
Well, we know that the world of Codex Alera is a cosmic dumping ground for people who get lost in time/space (like the world in Thor 3). Alera was founded by one of the lost Roman Legions that supposedly wandered through something like a portal and ended up on Alera. It is possible that this Roman Legion did not come from our world, but instead came from the Dresdenverse. Thus it may have had a wizard or two along for the ride or other supernatural creatures.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Children of the sun
« on: June 03, 2025, 01:08:11 AM »
It has been a long thinking theory of mine that it's really SON not sun. That it's actually the church guarding a portal or something.
1. Christian could turn into Christ son hence children of the sun.
2. Lot of holy artifacts out there but none are being used outside of the swords.
3. Hades has some there has to be more.

I'm slightly confused. Do you mean Children of the Sun from the Alera Codex? If so, are you trying to connect the Alera Codex back to earth through Christianity and then to the Dresden Files through the artifacts we have seen?

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DF Spoilers / Re: RNT: How Does Air Magic Interact With Physics?
« on: June 03, 2025, 01:06:11 AM »
We know that the author has said that magic obeys the laws of the universe and Harry has said that magic obeys the laws of physics. For wind to happen, energy must be invested from Harry. That energy then goes out and has an impact on the world according to the laws of physics. It makes sense that the wind is created the same way natural wind is created: either temperature and/or pressure. Hot temperature creates low pressure and cold air creates high pressure. High pressure air moves to low pressure areas creating wind. Harry could be manipulating either temperature or pressure when he uses a wind spell. If he makes the air in front of him colder the atmospheric temperature that should drive air away from him. Or he compacts the air in front of him creating a higher pressure spot driving the air away from him. I would hypothesize that his will gives it shape and refined direction.

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DF Spoilers / Re: RNT: What is The Enemy's Plan in Storm Front?
« on: June 03, 2025, 12:59:53 AM »
I like this idea.  We know that Ebeneezer came to the same conclusion about the Black Council as Harry did.  What evidence did he see that convinced him of their existence?  Were there other 'unusual but dismissed as routine' events happening in other cities that he was able to connect together?
A great question. Ebeneezer as both the previous Warden Captain and a member of the Senior Council has a greater knowledge of both the events impacting the White Council and those impacting the wider supernatural world. I'm sure there are more dots that could be connected to the dots Harry has personally come into contact with that give greater depth to the Black Council Threat. Heck, our knowledge of the war with the Red Court is fairly limited given that it comes from Harry. We know there are events happening off page and we know that a large number of baddies (Nemesis, Black Court, Black Council, Necromancers, etc) like to make movies during the chaos of war. How many events slipped past the Council's notice or couldn't be responded to because of the war? There are probably a lot more dots out there than we are aware of.

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