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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry's force rings
« on: April 26, 2025, 09:21:06 AM »
Put them in a bingo wheel and start spinning!

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I am relatively-confident Mirror!Murphy will be alive; simply because of the vast opportunities it gives Jim to further torture Harry.
Early-books Harry was still giving Murphy lots of stay-alive info (albeit limited/incomplete), and I expect that didn't stop completely when he made the Choice. Remember that Murphy got so deeply into the supernatural because of Harry. Without Harry there, opening the doors he opened, Murphy's likely to have had shallower, less-dangerous encounters.
Alternatively, maybe Mirror!Murphy teamed up with Michael, who -- while (mostly) not as clued-in as Harry -- had much more info than Murphy!
And that is mentioned at the end of Peace Talks when Vadderrung and Company try to devise a defense strategy for Chicago. That the Fomor reign supreme under water and none of the powers at the Peace Talks has much knowledge and no influence there. So in that sense it is easy to see why they would be totally hoodwinked by the Fomor.Of course they say so, but it seems in Ghost Story/Changes Mab has some power over the cold and dark of the deeps.
That was Cold Days, and it was Mother Summer who took Harry to the Outer Gates. The only experience he had before seeing any of Winter's army was in Summer Knight. One would think that while most of Winter's forces would be at the Gates, there would still be at least a couple of brigades in and around the Court in case Mab needs them. And in Battle Ground both Mab and Molly were in Chicago fighting, can't remember if they brought troops with them or not, but even so both the Winter Queen and the Lady were in Chicago while supposedly the Gates were under siege with only Rashid to lead the Winter Army, unless there were some other of Winter's generals.I believe Lea was conspicuously absent, and she's been touted as the placeholder for Mab in other parts of the story.
Yes, they do appear civilized, but are they really? They are cultured, clean, rich, attractive, so they are allowed to thrive, we think of them as civilized. However these are the same beings who will suck the life out of a mortal by feeding upon his or her emotions. This a group of beings that think of vanilla human beings as "kine" or prey to be fed upon.. This is the group that would imprison the little folk so they can have nice colorful lanterns at their parties. So as long as they have a source of food, and can create their own "civilized" islands they can thrive in a post apoplectic world as well as the Black Court in my opinion.
The problem is, at some point star born Harry is going to have to unite all these factions otherwise they won't have a chance against Nemesis and the Outsiders.
Just a thought, Mab's intentions for the marriage might be a stronger alliance between Winter and the White Court. However as many of you pointed out, that alliance might make uniting everyone against Nemesis/Outsiders in the coming BAT a whole lot harder because of infighting between the allied factions.. Hmmm... I wonder if this will be an instance where Mab is totally wrong in her planning? If she is, will she openly admit it?
The Hospitallers still exist.Sure, but it's not exactly a military society anymore. I wouldn't translate those numbers to '640 soldiers, 12400 hangers-on'. What I'm thinking to compare to is them circa siege of Malta, or even during the wars in the Levant.
There are about 40 "First Class" members, 600 "Second Class" members (mainly titled "Knights in Obedience") and 12,400 "Third Class" members.
(per Wikipedia, fwiw)
Right up to the last moment on the boat going to Demonreach Justine/Nemesis had Harry fooled..I disagree there; Harry felt something off, just wasn't sure what.
This is a very-interesting notion.
I don't think Jim's going to write it this way; but it's very interesting!
The pieces hang together well-enough for me to now think it's likely that "replace Lara's Hunger-Demon with a Wintermantle" may very-well be part of Mab's planning (if only 2nd or 3rd tier contingency).
I've intentionally not specified the Queen-Mantle... Lara of course hardly qualifies as "virginal" but maybe the magic can admit of a "from now on" definition. It'd be incredibly-ironic for "Queen of the Sex Vampires" to become mythically-virginal!And we know (from the disastrous Carlos/Molly event) that Jim's very willing to torment other characters than Harry, with this sort of thing. And it'd give Molly an "out" from the Ladymantle, if Harry could find a way to initiate the transfer without killing the current owner...
Or, just do the "normal" Queen dies + Lady-becomes-Queen + Ladymantle-needs-host sequence, with the Winterknight's fiance close to hand. Ratchet the Molly/Harry tension another notch, I'm sure Jim would like it for that if nothing else.
Or just some direct Lara-gets-Queenmantle path. That might eliminate the "marriage" elements, though, if there's any incompatibilities between the mythic Winterlaw ideal of "marriage" and the Queen/Knight relationship. I think Jim's more-likely to write the complex one that loops-in Molly, ratchets-up tension, and tweaks Lara's twerk.
So, lots of elements come together very nicely indeed! I like your theory a lot, @Avernite!