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DF Spoilers / Re: Thresholds
« on: March 27, 2026, 08:48:16 PM »
Quote from: Mira on March 23, 2026, 11:49:21 AM
He didn't exactly invite them in, he told Basil to stop preventing them from coming in once he was ready to squish them safely.

End of chapter 52:

"Okay you evil bastards. You wanna start trouble in my home? Come and get some"

Last page of chapter 53 (in my edition):
Bear was frowning at me. "You want them inside."
"Come on," I said. "They're Black Court. Why do you think I invited them in? 'Come and get some' wasn't an accident."

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DF Spoilers / Re: Thresholds
« on: March 27, 2026, 08:41:33 PM »
Quote from: Mira on March 23, 2026, 11:49:21 AM
He didn't exactly invite them in, he told Basil to stop preventing them from coming in once he was ready to squish them safely.

End of chapter 52:

"Okay you evil bastards. You wanna start trouble in my home? Come and get some"

Last page of chapter 53 (in my edition):
Bear was frowning at me. "You want them inside."
"Come on," I said. "They're Black Court. Why do you think I invited them in? 'Come and get some' wasn't an accident."

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DF Spoilers / Re: Where was Lacunna in Twelve Months?
« on: March 27, 2026, 08:33:10 PM »
Maybe Harry was deliberately filtering any women that weren't forcefully on his mind? Well, apart from Valyries.

Because of the one woman who's death overshadowed all the rest of his life.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Where have the Black Council and the Grey Council gone?
« on: February 24, 2026, 08:23:30 PM »
Quote from: SerScot on February 24, 2026, 05:17:09 PM
This makes me wonder, again, if Harry was right on point.  That the “Grey Council” is really the “Black Council” coming to the fore.  That Eb is part of that and was looking for a way to bring Harry in.  Because the White is fundamentally and irreparably broken?

Maggie Sr. was raised and trained by Eb.  She had “Black Council” tendancies per Luccio.  What if she learned those tendencies from her father/master.  What if the “Black Council” isn’t “Black/Evil” at all?  We know Eb is willing to do the “wrong thing” if he believes the reasons behind it are just.  What if everything our unreliable narrator has told us… is wrong?

It is possible.

I myself lean more towards a blend confusion. There's a 'grey council' that Eb is part of, that thinks the White Council is running out of steam and is possibly corrupted.
There's also Cowl and other Nemesis-hangers-on stirring up trouble, but that's like 1 or 2 wizards with Outsider support.

Harry connected the Outsider trouble with Grey Council plotting, but they're only concurrent, not the same thing.

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DF Spoilers / Re: True Love's Protection
« on: February 08, 2026, 05:03:42 PM »
Obviously it'd all have been a bit easier if PT/BG had not forced in the True Love between Harry and Murphy. Early installment weirdness or not, it was treated as a minor Big Deal that Harry had found True Love, because it was rare. A side story had given us the werewolfy True Love on the side, but overall, it was rare so any explanation could explain why Harry wasn't protected here.

Obviously we had no way to go back there, so yeah, here we are.

I, personally, would've found the fact that Harry was dating-for-marriage a perfectly fine excuse why he was no longer truly committed to his True Love, but the book didn't go there.
All in all, bit disappointing. But the book was fine, so I'll just class this as 'weird, probably wrong by old canon, but eh.'

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DF Spoilers / Re: List your top 5 Dresden files books
« on: December 14, 2025, 09:27:39 PM »
Summer Knight
White Night
Battle Ground
Skin Game
Changes

I think, at least. But there's too many ;)

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DF Spoilers / Re: is Nicodemus Archleone *the* Nicodemus (from the Bible)?
« on: September 15, 2025, 05:41:31 AM »
Quote from: Mira on September 09, 2025, 12:31:56 PM
If they were the same Nic, as Kurtin suggested Nicodemus could have been a very common name.  It doesn't matter if he was important at the time or not, but somehow he got tied both to the noose and one of the silver coins with one of the Fallen entrapped inside.  Jim is either leading us down a rabbit hole of implied meaning, or Nic somehow has direct or indirect ties to Judas.

There is indeed one historical Nicodemus outside the bible, apparently (though some scholars suggest they are the same, I think that's reaching... the first was accomplished around the year 30, the second Nicodemus was active around the year 70). And wikipedia mentions it's not sure if the name has Hebrew or Greek origins. So trying to answer which Nicodemus, and why, seems to risk a rabbit hole...

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DF Spoilers / Re: Speculation thread: How did that happen?
« on: September 07, 2025, 07:28:09 AM »
Quote from: Tinfoil hat on August 30, 2025, 08:38:20 AM
The is a legend about a centurion at the cross cursed to live until the end of the world. The discussion about Nic always bring it back to mind, Not saying that's Nic but i think the legend probably inspired jim.
In Universe i think that he was probably a roman who was in the region at the time a got caught up in events and was lucky(unlucky) to come across the noose and coins.

That influence does seem likely, given that this Centurion is said to be Longinus (of the spear of Longinus/Destiny) by the gospel of Nicodemus.

However, if Jim read that story, it would be rather twisted, because this centurion A) is said to have been killed, relics and all, and B) is venerated as a saint. Obviously Nicky would appreciate that, but I am not sure he has managed that deep a con.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Out Law, novella (?)
« on: September 07, 2025, 07:15:51 AM »
Quote from: Mira on September 06, 2025, 08:13:08 PM
  No, I think the whole Denarian thing will end up going against Marcone's grain.  Andruiel pulls it off with Nic fairly well, Nic still believes he has an equal partnership with Andruiel.  Lasciel tried to convince Harry that that was the kind of partnership he could have with her if he accepted the coin.  However thanks to his inadvertent soul gaze early on when we first meet the Denarians he knows that the host is really the slave of the fallen trapped in the coin, or he feared that.  Based on that knowledge Harry stanchly refused to accept the coin.  I don't think Marcone likes to be or wants to be a servant to Namshell, at the moment he maybe convinced he is in the driver's seat, but I think a day will come when Marcone will realize he isn't in charge of anything,that's the day he will regret his choice.

Regret it, sure.

But I feel the seductiveness of the Fallen would suffer if that regret were sufficient for Marcone to slip the noose and ditch the coin. We already saw Nicky almost redeemed, Harry and Sanya got out... adding a succesful Marcone redemption just feels like it needs way too much buildup. Unlike a Marcone who, like in Battle Ground, works for good despite still being in the clutches of the Fallen.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry's force rings
« on: April 26, 2025, 09:21:06 AM »
Put them in a bingo wheel and start spinning! ;)

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DF Spoilers / Re: Choices
« on: April 21, 2025, 11:11:09 AM »
Quote from: g33k on April 20, 2025, 05:43:53 PM
I am relatively-confident Mirror!Murphy will be alive; simply because of the vast opportunities it gives Jim to further torture Harry.

Early-books Harry was still giving Murphy lots of stay-alive info (albeit limited/incomplete), and I expect that didn't stop completely when he made the Choice.  Remember that Murphy got so deeply into the supernatural because of Harry.  Without Harry there, opening the doors he opened, Murphy's likely to have had shallower, less-dangerous encounters. 

Alternatively, maybe Mirror!Murphy teamed up with Michael, who -- while (mostly) not as clued-in as Harry -- had much more info than Murphy!

If torturing Harry is the point, obviously Murphy will be happy and safe, and be absolutely murderously angry when she sees Harry.

So yes, teaming up with the Knights of the Cross to actually deal with supernatural threats Mirror!Harry doesn't deal with properly, cleaning up his mess... that would sound just the kind of torturous that Harry needs to see. His Choices have Consequences, and maybe even the RIGHT choice in GP has a BAD influence on someone he loved.

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DF Spoilers / Re: How did Vadderrung miss the Fomor’s alliance with the Titan?
« on: March 23, 2025, 01:02:23 PM »
Quote from: Mira on March 23, 2025, 01:25:16 AM
  And that is mentioned at the end of Peace Talks when Vadderrung and Company try to devise a defense strategy for Chicago.  That the Fomor reign supreme under water and none of the powers at the Peace Talks has much knowledge and no influence there.  So in that sense it is easy to see why they would be totally hoodwinked by the Fomor.
Of course they say so, but it seems in Ghost Story/Changes Mab has some power over the cold and dark of the deeps.

So I suspect the Fomor have the home field advantage, but various powers did know SOMETHING was up with the Fomor. They just didn't know what. And as per Skin Game, sufficiently powerful beings can provide serious magic screening to prevent even Angels-of-espionage looking in. Presumably Ethniu is on the level where she can do that too, to depowered Deities-of-espionage.

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DF Spoilers / Re: “All of Winter” in Proven Guilty
« on: February 27, 2025, 06:41:50 AM »
I don't recall reading about her. She wasn't in Mab's Sidhe legion that got glamoured, she wasn't in Molly's reinforcements.

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DF Spoilers / Re: “All of Winter” in Proven Guilty
« on: February 16, 2025, 09:44:38 PM »
Quote from: Mira on January 16, 2025, 08:09:33 PM
That was Cold Days, and it was Mother Summer who took Harry to the Outer Gates.  The only experience he had before seeing any of Winter's army was in Summer Knight.  One would think that while most of Winter's forces would be at the Gates, there would still be at least a couple of brigades in and around the Court in case Mab needs them.  And in Battle Ground both Mab and Molly were in Chicago fighting, can't remember if they brought troops with them or not, but even so both the Winter Queen and the Lady were in Chicago while supposedly the Gates were under siege with only Rashid to lead the Winter Army, unless there were some other of Winter's generals.
I believe Lea was conspicuously absent, and she's been touted as the placeholder for Mab in other parts of the story.

So presumably Lea was in command of the Gates.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mac's Possible Identity
« on: February 16, 2025, 09:42:47 PM »
While I appreciate the idea, IF Morgan knew who Mac was (approximately), his being paranoid about it tends to put an upper limit on Mac's power.

A random Angel that is out? Sure, could see that. A former Archangel who dropped his mantle into something else? Maybe, though a sign of Morgan's overactive paranoia. But literal TWG or TWC? Seems a bit too high up the power ranks to let any threats be about in his demesne.

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