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DF Spoilers / Re: Do you think we'll see Elaine again?
« on: April 15, 2025, 01:20:55 AM »
There are lines and then there are lines... ::)  It's all about the lines one chooses to color with in ...

Good luck with that!
I'm pretty sure the lines are fuego'd to ash or forzare'd to smithereens.   ;)


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DF Spoilers / Re: Choices
« on: April 15, 2025, 12:22:15 AM »
If we consider Harry as a decent person even in the Mirror universe and makes a decision that, in effect, is decent (but questionable--ie. Molly helping her friends), then maybe something subtle becomes much more---adding up to him taking up the coin of Lashiel.

I'm most curious about how we'll find him in Mirror Mirror. Is he under the radar or out and hello on wheels, so to speak. 

Mirror!Harry is not a decent person any longer, no; he has gone full-on villain.  Not sure if he's just gone overboard on the "fighting the good fight" theme, embracing "acceptable losses" in collateral damage, or if  he's actually working towards objectively bad ends.

I'm pretty sure there is WoJ specifying that one of  Mirror!Harry's  closest allies is (brace yourself) ... Mavra.  And he has discovered how to contact/summon other  Alt!Harry's  from other universes, and has been substituting them in for himself, when he's deeply trapped... letting those Harry's die in his place.

His foes keep thinking they've "killed Harry Dresden" because they have... just not their Harry Dresden, the one native to their own universe, who keeps slipping out the side door while the summoned Harry dies.

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DF Spoilers / Re: "Restoration of Faith" (but especially: Faith)
« on: April 14, 2025, 07:43:29 PM »
... Do we have confirmation that Kumori was killed in DB? ...

AFAIK, we have zero followup-info about Kumori.

I tend (strongly) to believe that she isn't dead.  The Wardens would absolutely have fine-tooth-combed the site of that throwdown battle.  The corpse of a powerful practitioner like Kumori would have been found (ID'ed by magical items, casting paraphernalia, rune-scribed items, etc etc etc -- even if the aborted Darkhallow somehow "wiped" the magic clean, the physical items, carving/etc symbology, and so on... all would persist (albeit mundanely) & be recognized as-such by investigating Wardens.

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DF Spoilers / Re: And another thing...Justine
« on: April 14, 2025, 07:35:05 PM »
Putting my tin hat back on for a moment given the above statement.. Why would Papa Raith send an infected "insane" Justine to be the lover of Thomas?  For starters while he may not be star born or a wizard, Thomas might also have some protection from Outsiders from his mother.  Why would sex with Thomas "drain off enough emotions" to keep her insanity in check, or even cure it?
Ultimately to control Thomas, which eventually Justine did when for her sake and the sake of "their child," Thomas became an assassin.  Took a few years, but White Court Vamps live a long time, Outsiders live forever, they play a long game of very complicated three dimensional chess.. Then again, so does Mab.. Yet even she didn't see or predict that Justine was infested.

We have no solid understanding of Nemfection; just a few Harry-POV snippets, and we know that Harry is (a) an unreliable narrator; (b) really unsophisticated -- even simplistic -- compared to the Big Powers.

Is being Nemfected something like being a Denarian?  Does Nemesis implant a "shadow" of itself, who cajoles/seduces/coerces the victim until they choose to accept a full-on Nemfection?  We do know that Nemesis can have multiple agents, but not how many agents.  Maybe the multiplicity of agents comes via having multiple independent "shadows."  Or maybe "Nemfection" is an all-or-nothing state:  either Nemesis is within you (though not necessarily fully in control of you) or it's not.

None of which really explains whether these multiple agents can communicate (outside of normal mundane channels) and/or collaborate.  Are they limited to mortal methods?  Can they use magic to talk?  Are they all just sockpuppets of one central identity, who can use them like fingers of a single hand?

Papa-Raith may have been Nemfected himself, or carrying a Shadow.  He may have made a deal to send a specific doe to Thomas, without understanding the ramifications.  Or a Nemfected (and actually rather powerful) Justine may have managed things on her own, without need for any assistance at all.

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Why would sex with Thomas "drain off enough emotions" to keep her insanity in check, or even cure it?
Multiple kinds of "insanity" are simply one form or another of emotional disregulation; whamp-sex likely settles this sort of thing right down, imposing its own emotional steady-state of fixed adoration & hormone-driven relaxation.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Choices
« on: April 14, 2025, 06:12:50 PM »
Assuming Jim hasn't changed his mind, he's told us what the big choice was. It's at the end of Grave Peril when Harry goes to save Susan. Our Harry summons a bunch of vengeful ghosts to kill the vampires when he could have absorbed their power and lashed out. The other Harry does the later.
Do you have a source or cite for that?
Because while Jim told us happens "at the end of Grave Peril," the details of what that choice is (and how close to "the end" is close-enough to count) are oft-debated; but that one looks frankly-improbable.

Here's the only WoJ I know of:
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Jim:  It’s going to be a different character because it’s going to be Dresden as he would have been if he made one choice differently, and the fallout from that effect on his life...
In this case it will be the big decision at the end of Grave Peril.
Exactly which decision is "the big decision" has AFAIK never been disclosed.  As I say, I'm happy to be shown to be mistaken, if you've got a WoJ citation!

Why do I find your "Harry absorbs the ghosts' power" proposal so improbable?  Because that would be Harry performing a mini-Darkhallow; just pulling the concept and the methods out of his hat (a hat, let it be noted, that Harry does not wear!) in the spur of the moment (and getting it right!) based on essentially zero experience with necromancy.  Later, we see how a pile of very-experienced professional necromancers hadn't been able to figure it out, all vying for the lost Word of Kemmler.  Harry is already too much of a Special Snowflake character; if he was also out-necromancing the professional necromancers, I'd find that far too OTT (just doing a mass-summons that way is already kind of a Big Deal).

My own main theory is that "the choice" was when Harry decided to let Susan walk away, at the very end of the book.  He made that choice out of selfless love for Susan, and as we've seen Love is a Big Freaking Deal in the Dresdenverse.  Had he instead convinced her to say -- applied emotional pressure or coercion -- out of his own selfishness and fear, the outcome could have been very different indeed.

My secondary theory is much darker... when Harry faced-off against Bianca, she offered him a choice:  to let her have Susan (already half-turned) as "recompense" for how Harry "took away" her own preferred pet, and Bianca would consider the matter settled.  Maybe Mirror!Harry accepted that choice.  I don't like it as well, but that's my emotional reaction; IMO there's several ancillary details that line up very nicely, almost looking like Jim intentionally wrote-in foreshadowing elements.
 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Does anyone think Harry isn’t the original Merlin?
« on: April 14, 2025, 05:32:40 PM »
I believe Luccio explained what Harry experienced on the island as "wizard's foresight."
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Yes; Luccio apparently recognized the phenomenon well.
I'm working with that idea as provisionally the correct explanation.

But... we should recall that Luccio was (iirc) under Peabody's influence at the time, and so it's possible Peabody implanted some memories/explanations to feed misinformation to Harry.  I think it's VERY possible that the Black Council has paid enough attention to the island & the Warden role to have a very clear idea what to expect.  Having a ready explanation that side-tracks Harry might have been something Peabody had planned in advance.
 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Does anyone think Harry isn’t the original Merlin?
« on: April 14, 2025, 05:25:43 PM »
I really think Harry… is… Merlin… we will see. 

I think that'd have to be an off-stage event.  Harry is a long, long way from doing Merlin-caliber work.  Centuries at least; maybe even millennia (n.b. wizards don't have millennia-long lifespans).  Also, the Harry we have seen is frankly not smart enough; he's not stupid or anything, but (for example) Butters in a few months' tutelage from Bob had figured out a bunch of magic that had never occurred to Harry.  But Merlin-caliber magic is (that we've seen) extraordinarily complex.

The only way I could see it happening is if he gets some sort of extra magical knowlege, an Intellectus of magic or etc; and not on a "lab assistant" basis like Bob, as the struggles Bob has educating Harry are well-known.  He needs something internal.  As I recall, though, Bob wouldn't be enough -- not even Bob understood most of the rune-work, when Harry took him out to look at the island.

Merging with the Archive might do it; or with Demonreach itself (though AFAIK the Archive is bound to a female-descent bloodline, & likely has extremely-potent magic to prevent anyone else from interfering; and a Demonreach-merger would cause a tautological paradox:  Merlin creating Demonreach who creates Merlin).
 

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DF Spoilers / "Restoration of Faith" (but especially: Faith)
« on: April 13, 2025, 10:59:54 PM »
I presume everyone recalls little Faith Astor.
WoJ is that we'll see her again.

Last we knew she was going back to her unloving parents (she had described them as caring more about appearances & their image, than about her), with a bit of magic from Harry to keep her encouraged.

Herewith, I engage in time-honored WAG'ery, based upon some DF stuff on a Discord recently...

We don't know Charity's maiden name; what it it's Astor?  What if Faith is Charity's baby sister?

Charity described her parents to Harry as kind of "normal über alles" appearances-first parents, so there's a reasonably-close match to our understanding of Faith's parents, with any difference being easily put down to the different POV's and perspectives of the different-aged girls.

We don't know where Charity got her talent... but presumably it was from her own mother!  This, then, might imply Charity's mother could also have passed it on to her daughter Faith (n.b. names "Faith" and "Charity" being quite thematic).

So Faith Astor, when we see her again, may arrive as a full-blown Molly-caliber talent!

Now for the big leap:  what if Faith is Kumori?  People have pointed to some oddities in Kumori's attitudes/actions towards Harry, suggesting that if she were secretly Molly it'd explain a lot; but Faith is also likely to have (more than a little) hero-worship aimed Harry's way.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Do you think we'll see Elaine again?
« on: April 13, 2025, 10:23:17 PM »
... think we certainly haven't seen the last of Elaine ...
I'm sure we haven't!

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DF Spoilers / Re: Do you think we'll see Elaine again?
« on: April 13, 2025, 10:21:52 PM »
... but she clearly colors outside of the lines ...
:o

Really?
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Huh, I'm trying to recall if we've seen any other wizards ever do that??!?
 ;)

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DF Spoilers / Re: And another thing...Justine
« on: April 13, 2025, 10:18:59 PM »
Right before Harry and Carlos duel Malvora and Madrigal Wraith, he chats with Justine. He asks how she's up and around. She's more than a bit evasive I think. Sorry, I've been listening, so don't have the exact quote.

I'm sure this has been discussed, but Nemfected would explain it all, but it kind of pins down a timeline for infection of Justine.

Feel free to tell me it's been discussed and where have I been.  hehe

Cheers to all!

Brien 

Justine's Nemfection has been discussed, yes.
@Mira has an interesting theory that she has actually been Nemfected all along (or since very-early); I'm not convinced, but I think there's some evidence to support the idea, needing hardly any tin-foil for her hat (I've certainly needed much more, for some of my own crackpot notions!).

Papa Raith's Outsider-fueled personal anti-magic ward, and his porn-star-sorceress Outsider-summoning, Vito's Outsider-possession, Justine's Nemfection, all pointing to substantive Outsider activity within the White Court.

My theory is, Mab's primary interest in ordering Harry to marry Lara is to incite a "patented Harry Dresden Anarchygasm" amongst the Whamps, and proactively/preemptively expose more Outsiders.
 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Questions for Mab
« on: April 13, 2025, 10:06:36 PM »
  I think Harry will have come into some more money by now to his sorrow.  Murphy may have left her worldly goods to him in her Will, which also included at least one sock full of diamonds...
ROFL!
I now imagine a small heavy box left for Harry, labeled "gotcha!"

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DF Spoilers / Re: Blood Rites foreshadowing
« on: April 07, 2025, 12:40:10 AM »
... I think she is more suited to be Mab's replacement. The whole Winter Lady virgin thing would not be so nice for Lara.

The basic theory that Mab is considering en-Mantling Lara seems likely.

I think Mab has thoughts about which role would be better for Lara, but that -- being Mab -- she has specific plans for each of the Lady-Mantle and the Queen-Mantle going to Lara (depending on how things play out).
 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Blood Rites foreshadowing
« on: April 07, 2025, 12:36:14 AM »
... my theory that Justine had been infested from the beginning ...

A small datum in favor of your theory:  remember the end of the book where we met the oh-so-lovely Justine?

Didn't Thomas send Justine as a "gift" to Harry?
That was a horribly... objectifying thing to do; which seems unlikely if he was in love (or falling in love) with Justine!  If he just wanted to "be nice to Harry," he could doubtless have arranged for any number of lovely kine in the Raith orbit, who'd willingly have given Harry the most erotic night of his life, just to curry a bit of extra favor with the Whampires.

What if Thomas actually didn't send her?
What if it was Nemesis, trying to get closer to Harry?
Or maybe he did do it... but only because of some subtle manipulation by Nemfected-Justine?
 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Blood Rites foreshadowing
« on: April 07, 2025, 12:26:12 AM »
... Remember, the White Court thought that Thomas was a freak for loving a human in the first place- kinda like how people would look at a man that married a cow.

Love is not, broadly speaking, a thing that the White Court do.

I don't know that "freak" is the right term (I only recall that term being the Whampire term for wizards).
Unusual, for sure!

But they know the phenomenon -- protection via Love -- well.

And they know how to bypass it, if they really need to get to someone protected:  get one of their more-attractive Kine to seduce the protected victim; if needs be, they can apply their (non-contact) lust-enhancing mojo until the victim is "willing:"  being in Love doesn't mean being immune to the Whamp-mojo of heightened arousal.

If you aren't being all emo & addicted to the tragedy of the thing, Justine's solution seems kind of obvious; particularly from the POV of "sex is a tool" Whampires.
 

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