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I suppose if it's writing related I could always ask around Author Craft...wouldn't be off topic or anything, would it?

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Author Craft / Re: Fighting with keys--how would it work?
« on: March 24, 2011, 06:39:37 AM »
Two questions:

1) Was it a milk carton or a milk jug? Makes a difference.
2) How many keys were on the ring? Also makes a difference.

1) It was a milk carton. Not a very thick milk carton either.

2) Perhaps six or seven--not heavy keys, just normal office keys.


Somehow it's depressing to realize that 30 seconds of badly-shot-cell-phone video of people fighting on the street can take pages and pages of description to convey...and even then there willl be readers who'll take the cell phone vid over your blood and sweat  :'(

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Author Craft / Re: Fighting with keys--how would it work?
« on: March 23, 2011, 03:53:16 PM »
Is he sparring, or is this a serious fight?  If sparring, take a look at some martial arts videos on YouTube, and see how the multiple-attack training katas or free-spar sessions look.  People who are attacking take turns at the defender, they broadcast their intentions clearly, and they cycle through the attacks from various points instead of all attacking at once from everywhere.

If it's a serious fight, then there are harder choices to make.

Does he HAVE to win?  What does winning mean?  Does he simply get away from them?  Does he have to defeat them utterly?  Does he simply make it so much trouble and pain to get him that they back off because no one wants to mess with the crazy person?

With all that in mind, here are a few concrete suggestions, aimed at a believable ACTUAL fight.

Suggestion 1 - have him outrun at least 2 of the 4 dudes before the actual fight.  Better if he's able to outrun/outmaneuver at least 3 - maybe after running from 2 of them, he ducks into an alley which is so narrow that only one person can fit through at a time. 

Instant one-on-one for the fighting, but still has the power of the multiple attack - the suspense of the chase "Oh good, he finally lost Goon 2!  Oh no, Goon 1 has come around the block on a motorcycle and is gunning for him again!"  and then the suspense of the actual fight  "Will he have enough strength left to fight Goon 3 after running so hard?  Yay!  He beat Goon 3!  But uh-oh, now Goon 4 is climbing over his buddy's body and coming in again - now what?" 

Suggestion 2 - Find some reason for the bad guys to seriously underestimate his abilities from the start, so they are caught off-guard when he actually turns and fights.  That underestimation makes fighting two opponents a little more realistic. 

(Very rarely, even with trained martial artists, does one person win against multiple attackers, and when it happens, it's usually because the groups or pairs of attackers weren't really trying their utmost from the start because they outnumbered the victim.  Expand and elaborate on their superiority (in their own minds) and then use that overconfidence against them.)

Suggestion 3 - Take a serious thought at the concept of berserkers.  There's a reason Wolverine is named after that particular animal, and it isn't because of its SIZE.  Not many people want to tangle with something crazy.  That's a deep primal instinct people have to steer clear of odd behaviour. 

Think of rabid animals.  A rabid rat isn't that big, and rats usually run from humans.  But if this rat's gone round the bend, it will attack, and that's not NORMAL for that small thing.  If tiny dude is freaking out and throwing himself into the fight with everything he's got, that makes the Goons wonder; "oookaaay, what is tiny dude ON, and why is he growling at me?"  These are not confidence-inspiring questions.

Whatever mechanics and improvised weapons you use then will be more believable automatically, because the SITUATION they're in is more believable.  Because of the setup, people will more readily keep on following you down the "Hey, did you know keys are a kickass improvised weapon?" path, regardless of the details.


Good luck!   


At this point, he's just sparring, not serious save-the-world-Harry-Dresden fighting.

I kind of like the crazy rat idea, because you're right that people get scared by unexpected reactions. Especially coming from someone who would normally be scared by the situation.

Thanks!

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Author Craft / Fighting with keys--how would it work?
« on: March 23, 2011, 11:56:11 AM »
Okay, this is going to sound stupid, but in one of JB's books, Harry says that you can take a bunch of keys and toss them at a milk carton, and chances are the milk carton will crack.

I tried this on a milk carton.

It didn't work ???

But anyway, I heard from somewhere that keys are a really good weapon to have in a fight (street fight), but the only thing I can think of doing with them is throwing them into someone's face (and then running like mad to get away from said person  ;D).

Is there some other way to use them?

The fighter concerned is a teenager of slight build, so don't expect feats of great strength or anything like that from him. In the scene I'm working on, he's fighting four people, of about the same height and weight, with only a pair of keys.

Suggestions?

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Author Craft / Re: So that's what one of these looks like...
« on: March 23, 2011, 11:48:43 AM »
Woohoo ;D

Congrats!!!!

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Related to this--is there someplace where I could ask for details for a particular location without sounding like a looney? Ex. "Please tell me where in NY a demon would be likely to frequent"? "What's the best place for a ghost to materialize in CA"?

And get the replies--

"Um, are you psycho"???

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Author Craft / Re: The Author is NOT the Character.
« on: October 27, 2010, 05:44:14 AM »
Ha. I was actually thinking about this the other day. Isn't it strange that authors (of fantasy fiction, for example), get asked if their religion or "take on life" or whatever is the same as their characters, but no one bothers to ask, "So, do you change into a wolf when the moon is full?" ???

It's fiction, people. Sometimes the characters are thinly veiled versions of the author, or the author's friend, but most of the time characters are just characters, and they believe what they believe because of their circumstances, upbringing or whatever.  ;D

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Author Craft / Re: The Challenge
« on: October 27, 2010, 05:39:20 AM »
This sounds intriguing... :-X

How about Robin Hood and vampires? Modern-day Robin Hood who's stuck in a Clark-Kent-Superman situation and can't get a date with the cute Marion girl from work but has to save the poor by whistle blowing on the rich corporations...?

Huh.

That second one actually sounds like it could fly.

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Author Craft / Re: Awkward Fight Scene
« on: October 27, 2010, 05:34:16 AM »
I probably will change the "final fight" to take place elsewhere...there are just a few too many variables involved with coming back to school late at night/after school.

I would imagine that the actual datemaking would have a lot of cussing than just a simple, "Yeah, meet me over at the park, punk! Five thirty...let's see who's the coward then", but otherwise the "under their breath muttering" method of arranging a meeting time and place can be fitted in to the story...

 :D Thanks again, guys!

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Author Craft / Re: Awkward Fight Scene
« on: October 25, 2010, 04:41:46 PM »
"Junior high alpha males" is funny? *scratches head* ??? (No, I get what you mean, two 10+ year olds thinking they're the toughest things in the world, it is kind of funny at that.)

And yes, you're right, "playground" does call to mind images of jungle gyms and swings! I was initally thinking about something like an empty parking lot or some quad-like area within the school, but somehow somewhere between my brain and my fingers the word "playground" slipped out.  ;D

It would be complicated to explain why, but let's just say that it would be impossible for these two characters to do the "locker message" thing as mentioned by jeno...I was thinking in terms of a face to face "Meet me in the vacant warehouse [or wherever] at seven tonight or the whole school'll know what a coward you are, you little punk!"

"Just you and me?"

"Yeah, just you and me, man to man, you &*%$*&^&*)(....Let's see if you're man enough to show and get your butt kicked..."

etc etc (see what I mean about sounding like Gandalf...? Okay, a very grumpy, very rude Gandalf...) :o

I was wondering how it would work for an adult to come in right as the "meet me there, you punk"s get exchanged...I mean, wouldn't the adult sorta quell that sort of thing, seeing as how he's a teacher and all? I don't see a 40 something male standing politely aside while two kids negotiate the terms of their "date"...!

I'm getting a better idea of how the date should go down (thanks, guys, btw!) But I feel like I still need to get some sort of fix on the dialogue. Any suggestions on that front?


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Author Craft / Awkward Fight Scene
« on: October 25, 2010, 09:30:47 AM »
Wonder if I could get a little help here...

I have two junior high school alpha males who are feuding with each other. In the scene I'm working on, their two groups meet in school and start pushing each other around (yeah, we all remember what it was like to be in junior high... ;D)

The thing is, the scene has to end with the boys making an appointment to fight in the playground at a later date, as the climax of the story depends on them doing so.

If anyone has knowledge (or *ahem* personal experience) of this kind of situation, could you explain how this kind of "date" usually is made? Why would two hot headed boys agree to back down and fight at a later date when they're with all their friends, with half the school looking on besides? Wouldn't backing down equal weakness and/or wimpiness?

I did try to do something about this scene, but right now the characters all sound like they're eating cardboard. I need to add in some stuff and make it more natural...like the kind of thing an actual teenager would say as oppsed to something Gandalf from Lord of the Rings would say...

Thanks in advance for any advice!

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Author Craft / Re: I write like...
« on: July 18, 2010, 06:49:13 AM »
I still think it's a good gimmick to show-off to friends. As long as you tell them to ignore the ads (which most of us pretty much do anyway).

What's wrong with getting a boost from a computer telling you you write like Dan Brown?  ;D

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Author Craft / Re: I write like...
« on: July 17, 2010, 03:34:53 PM »
Arthur C. Clarke and Stephen King.

I wonder if it's sentence length they look for?

I just tried this with Lord of the Rings and It (Stephen King). Both came out correct. However, using Dan Brown's The Lost Symbol came up as James Joyce. So I guess Dan Brown writes like James Joyce. Huh. Who knew?

Entering the opening paragraphs of Storm Front yielded Billy Shakespeare. Someone should tell JB!

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Author Craft / Re: Luke, *I* am your father...overused?
« on: July 17, 2010, 03:32:22 PM »
Would "dad's enemy" be a better cliche than just plain "dad"?

I think the reason so many people use "I am your father/mother/uncle/grandpa/sister" approaches have to do with irony...like, family should love each other, but hey, look! my parents are trying to kill me!

I mean, a story that starts off, "Dad had wanted to kill me for years." is definitely more interesting than one that starts, "The random stranger was trying to kill me; had been for years."

Isn't it? :)

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Author Craft / Re: Luke, *I* am your father...overused?
« on: July 09, 2010, 05:35:57 AM »
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This seems to be pretty unusual in fiction, almost an inversion, in fact.  One way this might be handled is to have the character uninterested in building a relationship with his/her biological parents, but seek them out to see if he/she has any inherited medical conditions.  Then the parents turn out to take an unusual interest in the protagonist...

I don't know if a medical condition is a strong enough reason to seek out one's parents, but otherwise this idea seems to fly pretty good :) Thanks.

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