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As to how/why: I think it was being Harry's "batsman," having to obey a mortal that way... Think about it:I wonder if he wasn't already on the list of likely/desired hosts. But I think what Harry did was much worse. A Cat Sith that doesn't immediately kill and accepted the challenge of NOT killing mortals?
An obedient cat?
An obedient... malk??!?
The Eldest Malk... obedient to a mortal!!! (we need... like... a stabby-murder emoji here)
So: Morgana's Athame.some stuff perhaps. Didn't you ask about the Hendricks/Lancelot theory..?
Morgana being one of the very-powerful sorceresses, possibly Faerie or Changeling, associated with Merlin... and with Arthur.
In some versions, Arthur's half-sister.
Interestingly-enough, one of Morgana's sisters was named "Elaine," with all sorts of interesting implications if Elaine Mallory was named "in honor of" that ancient Elaine by her birth-parents (about whom, please note, we have very-little information!).
Indeed: despite the vast powers shown by OG Merlin; and the likely "Amoracchius = Excalibur" theory (do we have WoJ confirming it?); and having her Athame show up so we have traces of Morgana; and the possible "British Prisoner = Arthur" theory ...
... despite all of that, I say: we have remarkably little sense of how the larger Arthuriana corpus (and which version(s) of it) map into (and/or otherwise influence/inform) the Dresdenverse.
Or have I overlooked a bunch of stuff?
I posted on reddit about Vadderung making a deal with Uriel for Murphy but I can't find the WOJ. Recent WOJ's have seemed hard to find as they aren't in Serack's compilation. Anyone have that WOJ handy?go through the actual Jim site to the woj official site. He seems to update it regularly enough it's ahead of the archives here, especially since the links aren't broke there.
There has been no indication whether Mab has an Intellectus and if so as to what extent,actually(and just gonna post the whole bit, special thanks to tcf)
We're gonna get some answers in the next book we'll get some more answers in the one after that although fewer. I mean Mirror Mirror is basically we're gonna jump over into the next universe and see how things are going. And we'll sort of be able to see-that universe will be a few years ahead of where Harry's universe is now so you'll sort of be able to see the direction things are going and that should be a lot of fun. Things got worse faster in the mirror universe that we're going to-there's actually an entire spectrum of parallel realities that are existing in the Dresden Files universe and this is just going to be the nearest parallel reality that you can get to that's significantly different. Because there's always a cloud of parallel realities that are almost exactly the same but not quite.mab is aware of and communicate with her other selves. So a limited intellectus. And I think I can perhaps see why, it's her connection to the gates. The gates WOULD have its own intellectus just like the island(thinking of woj about how the gates just ARE as far as it's intellegence), and I think would exist on the same sort of scale as angels? Not certain, but neither has Harry ever just tried to know something from a different version of DR, so that is not implicit for the gates to be(is universal the right word?)
Yeah it's kind of like, I don't know if you've ever seen Stargate or those other sci-fi shows where one new choice basically means one new reality. Wherever there's a fork they split in a row and there's a new reality.
Yeah which is interesting because if you look at that from you know, Uriel's point of view then suddenly the battle of good and evil is all about choices because every choice starts creating more and more different realities, more and more universes eternally branching universes and are they going to be places where good things happen or places where bad things happen? That's kind of an epic struggle if looked at that way.
That's actually interesting because we've talked about that on the podcast several times. I think we all agreed on that even if there's a lot of realities there's one Uriel above all realities, is that how you see it?
Sort of. Yeah I mean Uriel's an archangel so he's like-he's kinda omnipresent in the universe in many ways. He's one of God's deputies he kind of has enormous amounts of power, all the archangels do. But yeah that would be the case, is that when you get to the really high levels of power, beings like Uriel are the same everywhere they go. So poor Uriel has to deal with millions and millions of Harry Dresdens because they're always causing problems and they're always making choices and they're always creating new branches for the universe so poor Uriel just has to deal with so many copies of this guy.
There are actually multiple Uriels but they're all kind of copies of the same guy.
No, no. There's one Uriel and he's everywhere. He just exists through all of the bits of time, but for example if you go to an alternate reality there would be a parallel Mab and the two Mabs would be parallel and they probably would be able to like know about each other and talk to each other if they wanted to but they're just really fucking busy they've got a lot to do. But Mab next door would be like "you work for me next door? Well now you work for me, while you're here you work for me".
Why not take advantage?
Yeah exactly, I mean it's Mab, what other way could she react you know. But she's-Mab is tremendously powerful but she's not powerful on a scale like Uriel is where he's in the parallel realities next door and spreading out and so on.
How do the Mothers compare to Uriel? Are they in all realities or are they in parallel?
They're much closer to Uriel because-well I don't want to talk about that yet I'll put it in the books. But the Mothers are much closer to being Uriel they're essentially nigh-unto being gods on the level with you know like Zeus or the Native American gods or the Hindu gods or something like that, they're kind of on that same scale.
So all the big things that stayed immortal and godly and powerful and have to-
And kind of had to take a step back from all the mortal affairs that were going on as a result. Most of the gods did that they were just sort of "okay we're gonna take a step back, we're not really gonna be involved, we're gonna become professional wrestlers" you know that sort of thing.
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Cite, please.do I really have to cite the in book description? The energy and power that actually formed the circle came from the island. It being part of the island is by and large why Harry could walk through it and why the covered in mud crew could as well. Harry explained this.
If "the island itself" powered the circle, why isn't it always-on? The island's always pumping power, after all! I don't argue that some of the power came from the island and/or the extra enchantments as originally laid-down with the circle... but.
I mean... there's something about a Circle that's inherently potent. Zero-magic Butters was able to power-up a zombie-proof circle and defy the same horde that took down Harry's own wards on his apartment.yes, that's what circles do. Though thinking about it zombies have no Will, even less so than say binders goons. They're remote controlled vessels empowered and controlled by two different mechanics. 🤔 Considering now if the action of summoning actually causes the pitting of wills. Because didn't Dresden try to escape the toad Demon by simply getting in his circle til dawn? That'd show an inherent mechanism between the summoner and the summoned that isn't necessarily part of the circle. After all, when summoned they can either escape of their own violation giving them some agency in the world, taken from the summoner?(usually fatal to summoner) or the summoner submits them and unleashes them. What Harry was doing he described as a grey line,(iirc around Chauncey especially in book) because he summoned them but didn't let them go or submit them. Just bargained and banished. Gathering info from the ether kinda thing I suppose.
But we know from Fool Moon that Kim (while not White-Council level) had non-trivial magic of her own, but not enough to power-up enough of a Circle to hold a Loup-Garou. We know Harry took some pains to restrain the Erlking, and still barely had enough mojo to do the job.I must make a distinction, it was not powering the circle, it was holding ones will into keeping the circle. Same as when Chauncey tried to break Harry's circle. He pitted his will against Harry's who formed and held the circle. Zombies, who have no Will in the DF version, don't seem to be very effective against circles in particular for that.
I think ancillary enchantments helped inform the nature of the circle (and the loophole of covering themselves with mud), but the circle itself needed some jump-starting from someone with Power.no more power than butters.
I read that thanks very differently.she literally stops and asks Dresden's permission to enter before turning to DR thanking him for not reacting different. Citing DR making an actual choice to not react different. I'm have a hard time connecting that to Maeve(nor has anyone who's talking about this before, because I am not the first) could you perhaps show your work? Thee whole scene is set up precisely to show this kinda stuff. Jim's never just showing or explaining one thing, usually 3.
I think she was thanking DR for not simply curbstomping Maeve.
I think it depends on the being, and on the summoning-ritual.well that WAS ritual magic. Though I was thinking Madge did have some small ability (didn't one of them attack Dresden with magic?🤔 Albeit weak magic) they didn't need it for the cosmic slot machine. Which I'd describe as the machine already set up to accept "quarters", so anyone with the right currency can use it. That's entirely different from an active summoning and already explained in book how.
For example, I don't think any of the porn-stars had any personal magical mojo in Blood Rites... they just had HWWBehind's summoning-ritual. On the other hand, Harry's summoning of the Erlking in Dead Beat did need some magical power.
None of that speaks to whether the little wardens, or other members of the White Council, can use Demonreach to imprison supernatural BigBads: they clearly have plenty of mojo for summonings and to empower circles!really? What'd you base that one on? Cause things living in Harry's head still is definitely on my interest list lol.
I just don't think the island will open its prison (even inbound) without The Warden's say-so; just as it didn't open in Cold Days, despite the Ladies empowering the Circle, or Mab being summoned.
This is an excellent point.
I have my own WAG: that the manifestation of Lasciel's Shadow (with whom Harry conversed, nick-named Lash, and who eventually (if briefly) became Harry's friend & ally) wasn't the "real" Shadow. That Lasciel's Shadow survived Lash's destruction, and has been (more or less silently) observing from the depths of Harry's mind, ever since.
That was a circle. Empower it, and it's a magically-empowered circle.it was the circle, not a circle. It wasn't empowered by lily, just activated. The island itself powered it. And as Dresden pointed out, magic circles can be used for summoning. When he summoned Mab her stopping to thank DR was all about the fact he could've just grabbed her and had made the distinction not to on his own. If he'd read it from Dresden she wouldn't have addressed the island spirit itself in that matter. So an outside being can activate the circle. Any sufficient mortal can summon with a circle? And DR doesn't need guidance to grab what's been summoned. Seems to me those three things add up to a back up system to use sans an actual Warden.
Had some extra enchantment's, no doubt, if you poured-in enough mojo... I presume the faerie ladies had enough. But in the end, it was still just a circle, and a very-minor piece of Demonreach's outer defenses.
She had no access from there to the inner defenses, nor to the prisoners; as you'll recall, Lily & Maeve were trying to breach that barrier.
As best I recall, there has been no hint that anybody but The Warden can put a being into the Well, or get them out.
Note that Ebenezer (along with Luccio, and Listens-to-Wind) were getting thrashed by the Outsiders, until Michael rescued them, per Proven Guilty.indeed, but that power does not necessarily manifest in his magic. (At least so far)
It's not that Harry's magic is any "stronger," as such (no more so than being any other comparably-strong Wizard). It's that the Starborn have a birthright of power over Outsiders.
Raith's defenses were
(a) something unique, for which we don't have clear understanding or good parameters;
(b) the first time we saw Harry run up directly against Outsider magic;
(c) relatively-early in Harry's career, so he was relatively-weaker and less-experienced;
(d) something he didn't try to overcome: in classic Dresden fashion, he instantly switched tactics to a more-physical attack (keys to the face);
But, in the end... you're right: here, Harry's magic was a squib, in the face of the Outsider magic.
But in White Night, when Lash gains her freedom from Lasciel, she tells Harry that because of he has:
