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DF Spoilers / Re: Jim Butcher interview from 2 months ago
« on: May 22, 2018, 03:49:25 PM »
Id almost see it as the opposite, mostly because of the Respect Their Choices theme harry has been on with his own personal growth.  He can respect a persons right to Choose now, but wouldnt forgive himself if they were "Pushed" and never got the chance to fix it (especially after all the supernatural second chances he has gotten).  Rather, if she Fell hard because of being Pushed and because of exposure to things and/or enemies in his life, and had to put her down himself would be hard.  THe only thing harder would be if one of his /Friends/ had to put her down, like say Sir Butters.  Then he'd be grieving more along the lines of Titania, with her Hate in Spite of knowing intellectually that it had to be done.

It would be hard but if it was best for Maggie as well and the world, I think he could live with it, no matter who did it including himself.  Look at it as a form of suffering and putting an end to her suffering...  On the other hand if somehow she was convinced that her sacrifice was necessary for a goal much like Nic's daughter was, I don't think Harry could handle that.. Because  I believe he try to exhaust all other ways to accomplish the goal first..  If he failed, even if it was Maggie's choice I don't think he could live with that.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Jim Butcher interview from 2 months ago
« on: May 22, 2018, 11:31:38 AM »
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This is actually more what I would expect, something along those lines.  Not necessarily exactly that, but simply killing Maggie is too easy, too quick.  From revenge, it would probably be more interesting and more manageable to somehow corrupt or taint Maggie.  Ideally, from Nicodemus' POV, that creates a situation where Harry must either kill his own child (thus in Nicodemus' twisted thinking equivalent to him and Dierdre) or live with the knowledge of what she has become.

 Harry having to kill Maggie would be a cruel twisted thing that Nic would love to arrange..  I think he might take it a step further, have Maggie sacrifice herself willingly for Harry as his daughter had done.  If Maggie had to be "put down" because of what she had become, Harry maybe wouldn't forgive himself but as seen in a mercy light learn to live with it.. Sacrifice herself though, perhaps like her mother, I don't think he could.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Snoopy, Loup Garou, and Mouse
« on: May 21, 2018, 09:39:14 PM »
Loyal to a fault or simply believing his cause is just?

   I don't think she always believes his cause is just because she doesn't fully understand it..

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DF Spoilers / Re: Peace Talks character death wag
« on: May 21, 2018, 04:33:11 PM »
But wherein Murphy is apparently the worst, surely her ceasing to be Murphy would only be a good thing.

  Really?  If she is no longer who she is at her core being, that is the problem, circumstances are now preventing her from being what she is..  She isn't a good listener,  if that isn't fixed this port in the storm role isn't going to work, she isn't going to be content with that kind of role.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Snoopy, Loup Garou, and Mouse
« on: May 21, 2018, 04:22:35 PM »
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Murphy has never been a bad person certainly, though she has some real asshole moments- again, just look at her in that passage- That wasn't 'uptight' that was Felony Assault on someone that was not just non-violent, but actively co-operative, based on... well, jack and shit.

No, she isn't a bad person, but she is opinionated to the point of pigheadedness...  This is what has often made things worse...  When she is on Harry's side she is loyal to a fault..

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DF Spoilers / Re: Peace Talks character death wag
« on: May 21, 2018, 02:49:22 AM »
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Really?  Mab could literally have ordered Harry to get her the Sword and he'd have been powerless to stop it.  Even without Mab's orders Harry was under the Mantle's influence.  He was so terrified about the Winter Knight Mantle he chose suicide.  If Harry was willing to have himself killed because of the Mantle why would Murphy trust the Sword with him?
 Murphy's judgement was correct that a Sword may be vulnerable under such circumstances.

Not talking about Mab and the Sword...  Oh Murphy was correct that the Sword was vulnerable but then she went ahead and did exactly the thing that made it vulnerable... But that isn't the point,  the point is she is clueless about the post Changes Harry... She wants him to return to pre Changes Harry, that man is dead, she is afraid of the post changes Harry..  Does Murphy even realize that Harry suicided to avoid getting the Winter Knight's mantle?  Or that he is on first name basis with an Archangel?  Well, she might now..
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The Sword worked perfectly for her up until Nicodemus surrendered.  She was in the right up until that moment where emotion overran reason.
No,  for the record her ovaries had nothing to do with it....  Love had nothing to do with it..   The Sword is meant to fight Denarians, but if the Denarian surrenders, then he/she is allowed a chance to seek a path to redemption..  Murphy says up front before the fight began, before that anyone knew she had the Sword concealed in that tube, that she didn't believe in redemption for Denarians..   What broke the Sword was her condemnation of Nic, the "damn you.."  Judgement is for God not Knights..
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Quite a judgement being made there


Only quoting or paraphrasing not just Michael's words, or Uriel's words, but Murphy's own words... 
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No such thing as too many people to love
True, but she isn't indispensable,  Harry has many friends to turn to for love and support is the point..
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As a fan why would I prefer her to die? 
If she ceases to be Murphy you might....  If she goes too afar a field from what she originally was..  When the book is perhaps more readable without her than with her... Or it doesn't matter if she appears on the page or not..

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DF Spoilers / Re: Peace Talks character death wag
« on: May 20, 2018, 07:17:28 PM »
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Murphy does know she's not on par.  She took up the job because of love for Harry, it was also her reason for the Sword breaking.  Harry was responsible for Excalibur nearly being destroyed

Really?  Which job? Knight or Custodian?   Knight, Harry asked her because he was Custodian and she was the right match for the job to go to C.I.  Beyond that I don't think he knew or understood about long term verses one night stand Knights...  Perhaps Murphy accepted for the love of Harry but that was the wrong reason, which she at least understood about herself and rejected the long term gig... Custodian?  Not so sure she did that for the love of Harry, more she thought there was no one else, but when Harry came back she clearly thought she knew better than him, that she knew all about him and why she was a better judge than he, she was totally wrong...  Her reason for breaking the Sword had nothing to do with her love for Harry, it was about her putting herself in God's place to judge Nic....  He may have used her love of Harry to goad her into acting but it was her own arrogance that did it.
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I'm a fan and wouldn't be bothered.  I'd be more bothered if she died.
Again, really?  Expand
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And for Harry it was a learning experience that he used against the Denarians in Small Favor.  Who is to say Murphy won't use her learning experience with the breaking of the Sword of Faith later on too.
You think she will get her hands on a Sword again?  Doubtful,  not unless she gives up her whole belief system.. Not saying she can't or won't, but.......

As for ports in a storm, Michael has proven himself a better one than Murphy as has Molly, Thomas, Gatekeeper, Eb, Listens to Wind, even Leah and Mab...  She is just one of many...

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DF Spoilers / Re: Peace Talks character death wag
« on: May 20, 2018, 12:03:24 PM »
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As for Murphy not really being meaningful for the stories, that's up to Jim.  Louis Lane didn't have powers but to Superman she was his rock, his port in the storm.  Murphy's meaningfulness might be less about her fighting ability and more about being Harry's port in the storm.

  But in the Superman stories once Superman grew up he and all those around him seemed to freeze in time...  The never aged from Jimmy Olsen to the guy who ran the newspaper, so MS Lane as the perpetual perky inquisitive foil remained plausible.... More or less...  Susan was good in that role until it got serious between them and then seemingly Jim had no
where to go with her, even when she became a half turned vamp, which could have kept her interesting..  While Murphy might remain meaningful as Harry's port in the storm, she isn't his only port anymore..

Jim may have meant it as a joke, but even joking about it says it is on his mind..

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I guess it's Michael's time to die as well.  Not every character needs to die when they aren't ready to be on the front lines fighting.  I think what it's showing is just as Harry has outgrown his enemies of the past, he is now getting to a point where his allies of the past just aren't up to fighting the fights he's going to be having...  Marcone, Murphy, the Alpha's, Thomas....  They just aren't on par with Harry anymore, he's too big just as the enemies he's going to be facing are too big.

True, most know perfectly well they are not on par with Harry, but Murphy doesn't...  That is the point, she thinks she knows Harry and what is best for him, but she is in fact clueless about him, this is what made  her a liability in Skin Game to the point of disaster, i.e. the breaking of a Holy Sword..  Someone earlier spoke of setting up what is to come in the next books...  I think we are being prepared for her exit, whether it is a mere break up or something more lasting..  I also think if her role is diminished from being someone who physically fights at Harry's side to some "emotional port in the storm," not just fans in general but her fans will be disappointed..

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DF Spoilers / Re: Peace Talks character death wag
« on: May 19, 2018, 09:11:28 PM »


Some would say that it is Murphy's time to die....  Harry loves her, that alone is the kiss of death...   Also since she left the police force and refused to become a Holy Knight, there isn't a real place for her that is meaningful, that is why she appears so hollow in the last couple of books.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Peace Talks character death wag
« on: May 18, 2018, 10:42:55 PM »


   I seem to recall a "Tweet" from Jim maybe a year ago give or take that he was  emotional after writing Murphy's funeral...  It created a bit of stir here of course.  The question is, was he really or just pulling our legs? 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Would Harry have worked with Cowl?
« on: May 18, 2018, 04:49:20 AM »
Just an opinion but I think this was the least likely which is why there wasn't a lead up to it while the potential for taking up a Coin was more realistic and the groundwork had been done.

  There is still plenty of time between now and the BAT though for a set up, so much has changed for Harry that it is possible, highly improbable but it still could happen..  Though more likely we will see a one on one mirroring their first battle, only this time Harry will be older, stronger, and hopefully wiser...   

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DF Spoilers / Re: Jim Butcher interview from 2 months ago
« on: May 18, 2018, 04:44:25 AM »
I hope you are wrong, because if he goes after Maggie he is dead (I would be so happy if he succeeds, before Harry kills him in a horrible way)

  But that would be merely revenge if Nic gets Maggie..  Very hollow if she ends up with a coin which would be really horrible..

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DF Spoilers / Re: Would Harry have worked with Cowl?
« on: May 17, 2018, 06:49:22 PM »

    I think it depends on the crisis of the moment...  Harry has skated on thin ice before for what he perceives as the greater good if he sees no better alternative than to do so.  I am not sure if it is arrogance or naivety on Harry's part when he does this.     

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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry's Duster and the dangerous world of Chicago
« on: May 15, 2018, 02:52:51 PM »


   Police dogs do wear protective vests but it doesn't totally keep them safe..  I think Mouse will, if he hasn't already developed his own form of protection, he doesn't need Harry or anyone else to make it for him.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Jim Butcher interview from 2 months ago
« on: May 09, 2018, 04:26:38 AM »
I was thinking that, precisely. Money to help Harry to keep a dignified status. Not money for the sake of it.

   Yeah, from the beginning Harry made it very clear that he wasn't into money or the trappings and comfort money could bring him by choice.  I don't remember the exact quote, but he repeated variations versions of how if he wanted he could use his talent to gain material goods and wealth.  No, he was content and comfortable in his dingy basement apartment decorated in early Salvation Army and Good Will with a book case full of worn paperbacks.   Some of this attitude might change now
that he has a child to support,  but it will be for hercomfort and security, not his own.

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