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DF Spoilers / Vadderung former Gatekeeper.
« on: October 31, 2018, 04:08:16 AM »
First theirs the obvious appearence, both the Gatekeeper and Vadderung have one eye of what appears to be steal, and according to most myths about Odin, he sacrificed his eye for knowledge of magic.

Bear with me. Vadderung clearly knows about the Island and it's purpose, he outright states so himself.

Quote from: Cold Days; Chapter 21
"What I mean" he said "is that I know about your island. I know where it came from. I know what it does. I know what's beneath it."

Then Vadderung shows his extensive knowledge of the island and time in relation to magic, which seems perfectly in line with knowledge a Gatekeeper has.

Quote from:  Cold Days; Chapter 21
"Idiots" he breathed. "Even is they could defeat the banefire..."
"Wait" I said "Banefire"
"The fail-safe" Vadderung said. "The fire the island showed you"
....
"It is the only way" Vadderung said. "If anyone managed to set free the things in the Well..."
....
"Not bad" Vadderung said "The end"
....
"The island cannot accept it as a possibility" Vadderung said absently.

All of this suggests a tremendous amount of knowledge by Vadderung regarding the Island.Next Vadderung goes into a detailed discussion in regards to time, space and magic.

Quote from: Cold Days; Chapter 21
Vadderung waved a hand. "Nonesense. There are laws that govern the progression of time in relation to space, like everything else."
"Meaning what?"
"Meaning that the echoes caused by temporal event are proportionately greater than the span of time that was bridged" he said "Had the attack been launched from a century ago or hence, the echoes of it would have begun far, far in advance of the event--- centuries ago. These echoes have appeared only within the past few days. I would guess roughly that the attack must originate only hours from the actual, real time occurance"
Now first their is a description of what limits the Gatekeepers, Foresight/Hindsight in Proven Guilty thats relevant.
Quote from:  Proven Guilty; Chapter Six
"Because if he significantly altered what happened with his knowledge of the future it could cause all sorts of temporal instabilities. It could cause new parallel realities to split off from the point of alterations he couldn't predict or kind of backlash into his consciousness and drive him insane"
....
"But if your car never got stolen" Bob said "then how did he come to know to come back and warn you?"
I frowned
"That's paradox and it can have all kinds of nasty backlash. Theory hold that it could even destroy our reality if it happened in a weak enough spot."
.....
"If it's done subtly enough, indirectly enough you can get all kinds of things changed. Like for example, he tells you that your car is going to be stolen. So you move it to a parking garage, where instead of getting stolen by the junkie who was going to shoot you and tale the car on the street, you get jacked by a professional who takes the car without hurting you- because by slightly altering the fate of the car, he indirectly alters yours"

Then we get the explanation that counters Bobs explanation of the problem of Paradox.

Quote from: Cold Days; Chapter 21
"Paradox is an overrated threat. There is... a quality similar to inertia at work, Once an event has occured, there is an extremely strong tendency for that event to occur. The larger, more significant or more energetic the event, the more it tends to remain as it originally happened, despite any interference."
I frowned. "There's... a law of the conservation of history?"
Vadderung grinned. "I've never heard it phrased quite like that, but it's accurate enough. In any event overcoming that inertia require's tremendous energy, will and a measure of simple luck. If one wishes to alter the course of history, it's a far simpler matter to attempt to shape the future."
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" A twinned universe" Vadderung said "A new parallel reality, identical except for that event. One in which you never existed and one in which you failed to kill your grandfather"
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"Meddling with time is an irrationally, outrageously, catastrophically, dangerous and costly business. I encourage you to avoid it at all costs."
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"Because the energy requirements are astronomical" he said "Bridging a temporal gap of any length is something utterly beyond the reach of any mortal practitioner alone. Doing such a thing and then trying to project the spell over a distance as well? The difficulty of it would be prohibitive. And do not forget how much water surrounds the island, which will tend to mitigate any energy sent toward it--- that's one reason the Well was built there."

Plus a little subtle hint at foresight/hindsight

Quote from:  COld Days; Chapter 21
"Perhaps" he murmured "you already have"
Theirs also myths about Odin, hanging himself for more knowledge or power. which reflects Vadderungs statement to Harry about death.
Quote from: Cold Days; Chapter 21
"Fewer try it then you might think"
....
"Nothing that significant just happens, Dresden"
.....(later on in the chapter)
"Wizard...you have been dead and returned. It has marked you. It has opened doors and paths that you do not yet know exist, and attracted the attention of beings who formerly would never have taken note of your insignificance"
"Meaning what?" I asked
There was no humour at all in his face. "Meaning that now more than ever, you are a fulcrum. Meaning that your life is about to become very, very interesting"



Okay so with all this knowledge about Old Ones, and Outsiders and the Island, plus the similarities in appearence, and mystique of knowledge theirs also another fact that contributes to the theory that Vadderung used to be the Gatekeeper.

We know from his reveal that Vadderung is Kringle.
Quote from: Cold Days; Chapter 53
"Many, many mantles are worn--or discarded-- on Halloween night, wizard."
...
I saw Vadderung's wolfish features lurking inside Kringle's

So we know mantles can be discarded.

Finally the Outer Gates need an army to combat the Outsiders, before it was Winter it would make sense that it would be Einherjaar, Warriors dying in battle over thousands of years, would create a large army to which battle could be joined against the Outsiders at the Gates.

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DF Books / Re: new tv series in development
« on: October 29, 2018, 09:57:07 AM »
Dresden Files Podcast did a short debrief on it. Worth checking out for confirmation, that it's being discussed by the studio.

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DF Books / Re: Alternatives While We Wait
« on: October 29, 2018, 09:55:51 AM »
Lol I'm glad I could help. He's got spin offs as well that you can check out once you've ran out of Yancy Lazarus books. One from the perspective of a Big Foot Princess, the other from a Golem with the memories of Holocaust victims.

Might also wanna check out Hellequin Chronicles, has Arthurian and Trojan links. I'm currently on the first one.

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DF Books / Re: Alternatives While We Wait
« on: October 27, 2018, 06:56:30 AM »
Yancy Lazarus, is the closest I've found to Dresden, it might as well be a spinoff or alternate to Dresden. Wizard Black Ops agent, been around since Vietnam takes on various supernatural creatures. There's a Guild instead of the White Council. It's very good.

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DFRPG / Re: Request A Character
« on: October 25, 2018, 07:41:55 AM »
Powerful member of the court with their own subarea of control and power, roughly equivelent of a Duke.
I imagine their purpose is to protect children in one form or another. Jack Frost would be a noble, of Kringle's. Abilities would be flight, Ice magic, maybe a powerful artifact in his Crook of Winter.

Peter Pan would be a Prince of the Fairies   like Tinkerbell and purpose would be to protect Changelings of the Fae, and give them a way out of choosing by keeping them young.  Abilities would be flight, swordmenship, magic of the Summer, or Spring.

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DFRPG / Re: Request A Character
« on: October 24, 2018, 11:16:21 AM »
Jack Frost and Peter Pan as Princes of Winter and Summer Fae respectively.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Cowl and Kumori are...
« on: October 22, 2018, 12:19:11 PM »
eeeyah I don't think Elaine and Harry are twins. Other than that major plot hole. The only thing I can think of that suggests Cowl isn't Justin, is that Cowl was eager to test his skills in Wizard Combat against Harry due to Harry's reputation on the White Council. Justin would have more than enough experience fighting Harry having taught him most of what he knows, as well as the fateful duel where he died.

Personally I think Cowl is Simon Pietrovich, who took up where Justin left off. In the RPG Paranet Papers it is clear that Simon has a history of going against the White Councils wishes, to the point where Ebenezar had to reprimand him officially as the Blackstaff.

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DF Spoilers / Re: What kind of big twist are you expecting?
« on: October 08, 2018, 07:44:22 AM »
Really looking forward to Ebenezar and Thomas family realisation.

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DF Books / Re: Perfect Casting Part Three
« on: October 07, 2018, 02:43:31 AM »
Stephen Lang as Vadderung
Femke Jannsen as Mab

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DF Books / Re: Carpenter kids
« on: October 07, 2018, 02:39:40 AM »
WoJ is that none of the other kids have magical talent as Charity gave up her gifts, Molly was the only one who she was pregnant with while she was still using magic.

Having said that Daniel desperately wants to be a Knight of the Cross and did well in a knife fight against a lower talent in Ghost Story. He's also a Marine so I think he'll become a Hunter of sorts.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Outsiders question, theory and waffle
« on: October 01, 2018, 08:30:33 AM »
Well according to Thomas's explanation of the Oblivion War, their were multiple Old Gods and Beings who fought over the creation of the Universe let alone Earth hang on.

"Look you know that for the most part, the old gods have grown less powerful over the years, or have changed as they were incorporated into other beliefs"
....
"Beings like Tiamet needed a certain amount of mortal belief to connect them to the mortal world"
The eyelights brightened 'Ah' the skull said 'I get it! If no one remembers some has been god, there's no connection left! It can't remain in the mortal world!'
'Right' I said quietly. 'And we're not just talking about pagan gods. We're talking about things that people of today have no words for, no concept to adequately define. Demons of such appetites and fury that the only way mortals in some parts of the world survived them at all was with the help of some of those early gods. Demons who had to be stopped permanently'
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"Shut them away. Leave them forever lost, outside the mortal world and unable to do harm. You can consign them to Oblivion"

And that is what the Outside and Demonreach are for.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who are the members of the Grey Council?
« on: September 28, 2018, 07:02:02 AM »
I assumed the Feugo was for the mercenaries firing their guns.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Formorians and Outsiders
« on: September 20, 2018, 09:15:25 AM »
I always thought the base in Lake Michigan was more of a portal to the Nevernever base of the Fomor. Like the portals to the Stone Table or Erlking's Hall outside Bass and Pro.

We also have their summary multiple times as being a conglomerate of a dozen different fallen pantherons and dark gods. Which is kind of the defitinition of Outsiders.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Formorians and Outsiders
« on: September 17, 2018, 07:27:48 AM »
Gard says so in the short story Even Hand, when Marcone fights a Fomor Lord.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who are the members of the Grey Council?
« on: September 17, 2018, 07:19:41 AM »
WOJ is that Harry is to Morgan what Morgan is to Ebenezar. So Ebenezar is three times more powerful and experience then Harry.

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Harry does not have Morgan's experience or expertise in a fight.  It doesn't mean that Harry isn't also an effective and dangerous opponent, but he has a completely different approach--and he generally has a lot more to learn, still, before he is as formidable as someone like Morgan.

Granted, Ebenezar makes /Morgan/ look like Harry.  But hey. :)  There's always someone bigger or better than you, right?[/quote]

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