As others mentioned maybe the target dodged the actual water and got injured by something else is one way to handle it.

Another way is to say that since it's conjured water it disappears immediately after the attack as it turns back to ectoplasm. 

If he wants water that sticks around longer he could manipulate water in the atmosphere, but that's a maneuver so he can't do any actual damage on that turn, afterwards sure.

Since it's a maneuver that means 3 shifts of power minimum against one target.  Against the floor that's a maneuver on the zone, so minimum of 5 shifts.  If someone manages to dodge and get out of the zone then he's not going to be affected by whatever goes down in the zone he left.  If he doesn't get out of the zone then he's a valid target for whatever is done with the water in the zone next.

If your player wants to freeze a target and make the floor slick, then that's two maneuvers I think, so minimum of 6 shifts.  Think of it like this, the water is on two targets, the floor and the enemy.  He can do both, but due to the mobility of the enemy it's going to take more power and concentration.

I don't know how other people feel about it, but if you really feel you can't justify not leaving aspects on a target hit with a water attack then just up the power cost of the attack, however many shifts of power are put into the attack, and at least 3 shifts for the maneuver that leaves the aspect.  Really you're probably not supposed to be able to maneuver and attack at the same time, but if you keep upping power costs so he risks backlash, fallout or consequences it should balance out.  I'm not saying punish the player for being creative, but you can totally point out that he's trying to concentrate on doing multiple things at once while he plays Xanatos Speed Chess on the battlefield.

You could also charge shifts for duration (i.e. the water sticking around), and probably should.

I know someone raised the point that conjured fire sticks around and acts just like normal fire after it's been conjured.  I would like to point out the difference between conjured water and conjured fire.  Conjured fire burns stuff, this generates real fires because of heat and combustion principles.  The conjured fire probably goes away almost immediately and leaves vanilla fire, fire makes more fire.  Water on the other hand is conjured matter instead of energy the way it's being talked about here, so it's more likely to turn to ectoplasm and simply evaporate after an attack before it can be used for anything else.  If it's been obtained via a maneuver (sucking moisture out of the atmosphere) which is a turn in itself it's not likely to stick around and behave exactly like normal water.  If it's been obtained via the conjuration method then it's probably going to require shifts in duration for it to stick around long enough to affect subsequent turns.

Yeah, Butters seems like the best example.


Common rituals are probably stuff like blessings, mundanely executed exorcisms and the like.  They require calling on an outsid power to affect things on the metaphysical level.

Calling up HWWB in Blood Rites could possibly be considered a common ritual if it weren't for the rule book example and the fact that the people performing it were practitioners.  Harry says stick in the quarters get the result.  Maybe the practitioners for that ritual were using their power to substitute for some of the ingredients that would have been "quarters.". Complex common rituals could possibly also be modeled with debt, since they require some power outside of the caster and are essentially pledging a variety of allegiance in exchange for the effect.

In the write ups for Summer and Winter sponsored magic they both cover wildness.  I would assume other faerie magic does as well, but you know what they say about assuming.

In creating a wyldfae sponsored magic, Summer and Winter have a lot of ground covered. Wildness itself probably covers the chaos factor well enough, growth and decay, warmth and cold are also really quite primal.  So like I said, it would probably look like so e kind of strange hodgepodge or maybe even outright copyright infringement of Summer and Winter.  Which kind of makes sense if you go with what I said earlier about unbound far possibly using magic that looks quite similar to mortal magic.  Wyldfae don't have a formal allegiance to any court until they're Called.

Calling is weird though, I mean, Harry did it with Toot and his gang in Summer Knight.  If that keeps up are we going to see pixies running around with Harry magic?

Tell us how it turned out, and what you did!  I'm interested anyways.

Thanks in advance.

I think as far as combat movement goes I do like the idea of an enchanted item handling it best either as a block or maneuvering to a better location.  It makes sense to me since an Item can essentially do all the heavy lifting of an otherwise fairly complex craft that's better handled by ritual.

Teleporters can be broken after all.

Similarly taking a Discipline stunt to conveniently have stuff on hand via Declarations seems reasonable.  Although if you're not summoning up stuff often or it's outside the scope of he stunt and you have time and a symbolic link it seems fine to handle it via thaumaturgy?  Even if you do spend the Refresh for the stunt it probably makes sense to simply use a Fate point for the minor declaration and flavor it as a summon since that rule already covers that.

Summoning people should I think be a major ritual on an unwilling target, and a much less difficult one on a willing target.  So for an unwilling target I'd shoot for the whole stress track, consequences and best possible defense.  Willing targets could be half that.  I think that would be better than just a "Taken out, by beating stress track" because summoning even willing targets should probably not be too easy.  Also having to spend a Fate point for either effect is cool.

As for moving yourself around via Ritual, granting yourself a temporary power or one shotting a jump is probably just situation dependent.  I can see reasons for doing it either way.  I also think you could use Burglary for teleporting to a place you've never been using the Casing trapping to understand weak points in magical or mundane borders, although possibly also supplemented by Athletics or vice versa depending on the situation.

Also, to the dedicated teleporter I think picking up that Custom Power permanently looks like the way to go at some point.

So, from the discussion I'd probably favor a build like:

Stunts:  Discipline Stunt for summoning objects with Discipline Declarations. (-1)

Powers:  Ritual (Portamancy) (-2)
Teleporting (-2)

Item Slots:  Portaboots.

Sink refinements into more item slots for extra uses or extra strength and focus item slots and other Refresh into the teleporting power.

Also, cool Nighcrawler build.

 I gotcha, on the self owed debt now, thanks for clearing that up Sancta.

For the enchanted item moving you strategically I knew that a defense roll couldn't be manipulated like that, and meant it as the movement action for your turn.  I should have been more clear.

A fairly heavy complexity spike comes if you assume that teleporting someone else is a permanent change (albeit one that changes a lot, just not normally via magic), do you think that would be enough or should it be an additional tax, or just a completely different way of figuring it out altogether?  I'm not nearly as concerned with the binding bit, although I suppose others might be.  Also, mortal objects?  For instance, I left my gun at home, and I'm all the way across town and about to go into a bad neighborhood...how do I magic up my gun?

Also, yeah, that Teleport power seems well done.  Assuming for whatever reason that you wanted a caster for the full range of teleport type effects and you didn't have the refresh for buying the power yet as a "permananent ritual" effect, how would you model it with spell casting?  It doesn't seem like it would necessarily have to be an ability that takes a lot of Conviction to muster up the power for, but other than the part where you pay a Fate point per Refresh of a temporary power I'm unclear on how thaumaturgy can imitate powers.  By that I mean complexity costs.

Yeah, the escape potion is another good example of why I think it is possible.  Although the mechanics given for that potion are incredibly vague, which has its pros and cons.  Makes sense an enchanted item could do this as well as a potion could, just keep taking mental stress hits to make it work.  It should be noted I'm not shooting for nonstop teleporting action all the time everywhere, just a solution to make it reasonably possible to do at all.

To be a pain I'll argue semantics, being in a zone is an action if you consider simply acting out a verb (being) as an action, if you can only block actions just block the verb as well as the prepositional phrase.

Also, ritual and thaumaturgy allow you to accomplish an impossible task.  I don't think this always has to be modeled on the skill system.  Otherwise yeah I can totally see your point about the cost/benefit analysis of teleporting Tedronai.

Orladdin, you can do self-sponsored magic?  How does debt work then?  It's a cool idea, I'm just a little fuzzy on how that works.  Also the enchanted item you mention with reactive blocking works real well with the right flavoring, but what if you wish to move a certain number of zones in order to strategically place yourself?

Also, I'm still curious about what the consensus is on summoning objects that are native to the mortal realm.  In the books, Bob mentions that it'd be really difficult, but not impossible.  So how would you do it?

Another thought I had, would teleporting work best as a custom power?  I almost think you could do it with RAW if you didn't mind sinking a lot of Refresh into it, Mythic Speed (Probably coupled with a Limitation for a bit of a rebate) that's active only in the Nevernever and Swift Transition and/or Worldwalker give me an image of a Nightcrawler like character.  Yeah, not really teleportation some might say, but I consider teleportation to mostly be the ability to transcend all barriers at speed preferably as close to instantaneous as possible, but sometimes you can't avoid spending time and I can be cool with that.