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Author Craft / Re: Grammar Challenge... Are you up to the task?
« on: May 04, 2011, 03:55:25 PM »
Here's my edit  ;D

"He saw himself as a man manager, and was a public voice in the drive to reform Scotlands penal system; brighter, better-equipped halls, a strong emphasis on vocational training, education and counseling; no more overcrowding, no more brutality." 


I can diagram them too, although I'd not want to do this one.  ;)

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I tend to stick with one POV per chapter, if at all possible.

If the action or plot dictates that I change POV in the middle of a chapter, somewhere I pcked up the idea/trick to do a double return, followed by a single "*" centered in the page, then another double return before starting the first paragraph of the new POV.

This gives the reader a nice visual cue that something is changing.

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Boy, I sure hope so!  :D

Although I'm sing limited third, not first.

Here's a good thread on this very subject.

I thought good opnions were given all around.

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,18730.0.html


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Author Craft / Re: How Long Are Your Chapters?
« on: January 20, 2011, 03:06:47 AM »
For some inexplicable reason, mine all seem to be tracking at right around 15 pages / 5000-ish words ...

It's starting to kinda creep me out.

And then I had one that came in at nearly twice that, and it makes me feel like its wrong ...

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Author Craft / Re: Query that Worked (or, How I got my agent)
« on: September 15, 2010, 10:17:25 PM »
I had a similar (yet different) question.

You mentioned in one of your posts that you had setup a website for yourself, with a blog, etc. "just like the sources told me I should"

Paraphrasing, broadly.  ;)

If you used a single source for this advice, as well as actual info on how the web site (or presence) should be structured, what it should inculde, etc. could you share that info as well?

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Author Craft / Re: plot shape balance; would this work for you ?
« on: August 17, 2010, 10:51:18 AM »
I think the way to handle that bit is to not allow the reader to become too invested in the outcome of the "catching the assasins" part.

I'm not quite sure how you do that, but ...  ;)

Part of it would be, I guess, makng them faceless cogs in the wheel. Don't let any of them stand out, keep them all nameless, etc.

Beyond that, maybe use some (plot) device that is present in the first bits, that seems to carry the protagonists through the assasins part, but also makes it through to the second part.

That way, they may not even notice that the assasins are "missing".

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Author Craft / Re: plot shape balance; would this work for you ?
« on: August 17, 2010, 12:20:31 AM »
I think this is something that has been done before (not your idea, the progression you describe) and I think the key is that the level of unknown importance has to grow gradually along the way.

Put another way, I think your protaganist has to start out thinking "this is just the normal stuff", etc and then begin coming to a realization (along with the reader) that "hey, maybe there's more to this that I thought", then on to "wow, this could really be something important", and finally, "holy crap, this is a REALLY BIG DEAL".

I'm not so sure your readers will be able to make the jump from "small potatoes" straight to the "whole enchilada" without some hand holding (and well placed revelations)along the way.

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Author Craft / Re: Plausibility check: Lawyer of the Occult
« on: August 02, 2010, 02:12:54 PM »
Have you considered maybe using a bookseller, or similar?

That would give you plausible reasons for the character to know so much about such an obscure subject, and could give you various scenes where the main characters have to go off to see "old what's his name".

Who knows maybe even drag him/her out for the occasional field consultation.

Just a thought, as it seems this path would be less rigorous that the whole "legal" way of dealing with it.

Or, showing my age, do you recall a character from the old series "Bewitched" named Dr. Bombay?

Ostensibly a medical/witch doctor, he was the guy they trotted out whenever they needed to explain some obscure magical rule or what have you.

Patterned after the absent minded older chap who'd taveled the length and breadth of the British Empire, he'd picked up a load of knowledge along the way.

Unless you're just marrried to the lawyer angle, of coursew.

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Author Craft / Re: I write like...
« on: July 16, 2010, 04:49:55 PM »
I dropped in three different samples, and they came up with:

Charles Dickens
H.G. Wells
James Fenimore Cooper

I'm not sure if that's good or bad. Perhaps they're trying to tell me my writing is old fashioned?

I'm always a ittle suspicious of stuff like this though.

Ive seen some (what DnD character are you, what fantasy race are you, etc.) where you could put in the exact same entries and it would give you different outcomes each time.

Which basically means they're just running a randomizer.

Anyone care to opine on my outcomes?

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Author Craft / Re: Interesting Lexicon
« on: June 30, 2010, 10:14:15 AM »
I didn't want to start a whole new thread for this, and since it comes from the same source, this seems a likely place for it.

This is one of the most useful and complete checklists for world building concepts that I've ever seen, and I've looked at a few.  ;)

http://www.sfwa.org/2009/08/fantasy-worldbuilding-questions/

There's quite a bit of repetition as you go through the various sections, but logically so, and it's very easy to spot the bits you've already read and skip them.

And to me, from my story's perspective, I don't necessarily have to answer each and every one of them, but its still great to be able to say "nope, that one's not important", rather than wonder if I'm missing anything.

If there's another good place for world building info, please feel free to point me, or to copy this in, or what have you.

I'd give this one four stars and call it highly recommended.  ;D

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Author Craft / Re: Pacing of information in a fictional world
« on: June 16, 2010, 05:22:15 PM »
I know one does not have to explain everything, but there's only so much I can leave unexplained; the failure mode there is "A happens for unexplained reason, and then B follows on from A for reasons also unexplained, and then C comes on from that where a contemporary reader would most likely expect D to happen instead", and unless enough of the How Things Work basics are in there somewhere, it just looks like pulling plot from thin air rather than playing fair with the rules of that setting.  I mean, a detective story where one met all the characters and then had the detective present the solution but never got the reasoning between the data and the solution would be at best gimmicky and at worst pointless.

This may not be your cup of tea, but have you considered some simple flow charting?

Taking A, B and C in your example, give each their own box in the flow chart (without any accompanying explanation) and then see what minimums you need to logically get from one to the other.

In this case the flow chart is really just a mechanism to try and isolate the event flow from the rest of the story stuff swirling around in your head, forcing them to stand on their own, logic-wise.

I may not have explained that very well ...

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Author Craft / Re: Character Question (and PS hello)
« on: June 11, 2010, 06:04:07 PM »
Almost a hijack here, but not quite ...  :D

I've got in mind two characters that are brothers, both with the last name of "Jinkins".

One has always been called "Jink" while the other has always be called "Kinsey".

Jink is the older of the two, unless I think its more advantageous to make them twins.

Works, or cheesy?

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Author Craft / Re: POV Counting
« on: June 10, 2010, 03:39:20 AM »
From Wikipedia (stop snickering  :P ) , RE: A Song of Ice and Fire

“ The series is told in the limited third-person through the eyes of a number of POV characters. By the end of the fourth volume, there have been twenty-five such characters, although these include eight who appear only once.”

Wow, that really is a lot of viewpoints. I can’t see as I would need anywhere near that many, and probably no one-shot POVs. And I reckon I would be trying to use subjective third person, with some smatterings of omniscience …

I’ve not read any of these books. How is it, from a Reader’s standpoint? Is it okay to follow along with, as opposed to riding in one character’s head for the bulk of story, or does it get tiresome after a while?

I mean generically, not specifically as executed by GRRM.

I guess what I’m looking for is a way to have a closer emotional investment in the individual members of the group, as opposed to concentrating solely on the Hero.

I’d like to be able to explore the emotions and motivations of the secondary characters, but I don’t think I can pull that off with my l33t dialogue skillz.

It will also give me a way to add emotional and/or storyline sub-plots for some of them, and be able to follow them whether the main character is there, or not; which will sometimes be the case.

I’m also hoping to use the various POVs to convey background information, rather than using expository dialogue and info dumps.

Trust me, I could really do some info dumps.  ;)

Maybe what I’m really looking for is, as a Reader, how many is too many to follow, enjoyably?

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Author Craft / POV Counting
« on: June 07, 2010, 12:09:58 PM »
This a two (or three) parter, and for clarification, I should state this is for a novel (or so), not for a screenplay or some other medium (at least for now  :D)

I’ve been wondering, how many POV characters are just too many?

Consider your typical party of five (or six) adventurers who have set out on the Epic Quest.

They will all most likely make it through the journey alive (or at least the bulk of it) as they will be needed later, when the Party is (inevitably) broken up into pieces.

Now true, some will be there at the very beginning, while others will be added along the way; but, for the sake of this posting, imagine they are all present with “the Hero” prior to the end of the first third of the story.

Can/Should all of them be allowed to take the stage as POV characters?

And if so, how often do they need to be brought to center stage?

In a slightly different vein, but within the same Quest/story, what about characters that join for a brief period but are then left behind along the way? Can they be POV characters too?

Their primary purpose is to provide the Reader with knowledge of current events in various locations, things that the hero and the Party have no way of knowing.

In essence, they will be introduced, and then left behind somewhere in order to keep the Reader up to speed while the Hero is off Questing.

And, for those left behind, how often should they be brought forward, to say their piece then fade back again?

Add these four (or five) “left behinds” together with the members of the Party and the Hero, and you easily have over ten Separate POV characters, not counting any additional ones the narrative may need along the way.

I guess the goal here is to not whipsaw the Reader back and forth from POV to POV, without leaving a Voice silent for too long and have their reemergence break immersion.

“Who the heck is that? *flip flip flip* Oh yeah ... I’ve not seen them since page two …”

Heh, easy stuff, right?  ;D

And as an added bonus, why did omniscience die?

*sigh*

I am very aware, and am prepared to deal with, the fact that it has died, and that using it would be pretty much instant death to a modern work of fiction.

But why did it die?

It was sooo much more useful ...

PS. You have to take a pass at the first questions before tackling that last bit.  :P

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Author Craft / Re: ONLINE-ONLY WRITER'S CON: NOW!
« on: May 20, 2010, 05:08:08 PM »
Heh, thanks. Apparently the transcripts link appeared after they stared putting them up.  :D

Interesting stuff though. I read through several of them.

Noting earth shattering, but plenty of additional flavor to add to your stew.  ;)

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