Hi All,

Mac means son of. So could Mac be the son of someone important?

Also;

Now I am not saying that this invalidates any other identities, but in doing some browsing I came across this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuan_mac_Cairill

Of note, the association with St Patrick and the living multiple lives and seeing the many invasions ties in nicely with his Watcher background. How this all ties in to the Outsiders, I don't know but I suspect there is at least some connection here. It would be very Jim.

ALSO: Tuan mac Cairill is an immortal shapeshifter. His origins trace back to the Antediluvian age, making him possibly the oldest being on the island. He is perhaps one of the legendary Nephilim. Tuan was once a follower of Partholón, though as the sole survivor of the plague that slew all the Partholóin, he is regarded with great suspicion. Mostly reclusive, he charges himself as watcher of the lands, having witnessed all the invaders arrive and perish in turn.

Keep in mind that 'THE Warden' is a paid position of the White Council.  Rashid tells Harry he'll expedite the paperwork, since Harry has the job he might as well get the salary.  That tells me that the Council and the Island are closely associated, though probably only at top levels.

As Rashid told Harry, it's usually best the majority of the Council not know too much about their work.  There might be a lot of older Council members who know that there is THE Warden, but not exactly what he does or why.  It's probably the Council equivalent of a state secret.

Sorry to be pedantic, but what was actually said was this.

At that, he paused. He looked back at me and gave me a quiet smile. “I know precisely how it feels to be where you are.” He gestured back toward the battleground. “Precisely.” He seemed to think about it for a moment, and then nodded. “I will do what I can. If we both survive the next several hours, I will settle matters between you and the Council, which knows only as much about our roles as it needs to—and that isn’t much. I will verify your return and that you are indeed yourself, and will see to it that your back pay as one of the Wardens is forwarded to you. There’s some paperwork to fill out to get the Council’s office to reestablish your official identity with the government, but I’ll see to it that it happens. I think I remember all the necessary forms.”I stared at him for a second and said, “You’ll . . . you’ll help me with White Council paperwork.”

The paid position is his regular warden role, not his role as THE WARDEN OF DEMONREACH. The council (only a few members perhaps at that) only knows that the office of THE WARDEN exists, but they do not control it. It is outside their purview and jurisdiction. It is implied in other material to have inspired the force that exists with in the council.

Also, what's with the sudden screenshotting of WoJ?  Can we not provide links to the original source?  Because I can fake a screenshot of WoJ that says whatever I want with no problem whatsoever.

Just to be clear, the quote is legit. It comes from a private fan facebook group that a link would not allow you to see posts. It also has Jim Butcher's personal FB account included in the group. He occasionally joins the conversation, but AFAIK he self-manages his own account. He is only a mildly famous niche author after all, and is actually quite down to earth. There are many people who are fans AND friends with the guy himself.

Also, I suppose I or someone else could photoshop a quote. But to what end? The point is to discuss interesting parts of the Dresdenverse and WOJ helps build that. I could have just kept it to myself. I don't need to legitimise it to myself, the quote is for all of YOU.

Finally, I would like to point out Jim's style of prose. It is quite distinct, and if you follow his various works and quotes you will notice he has little idiosyncrasies and idioms that appear in the way he writes, especially off the cuff. I won't get into all of them (do your own homework) but as an example, he loves chucking in "\" around words requiring emphasis. That is quite an old school thing to do, and you see it more with older types. Just a little FYI.

Not that your question annoys me, I am glad peregrine that you choose to critically evaluate information. We all know the internet could use more of that!

Mr Sunshine has wiped out universes before.

I know in regards to Jim saying (controversially) trust nothing he says, which is sound advice, he is also winding us up a bit. He loves playing games. And yes he spreads some misinformation, but we will work that out over time.

This however is "new" info, off the cuff. Psychologically speaking, it probably is true.

See attachment for evidence.

I am going to post more WOJ as I find it, but I think in general there is a lot to be found.

Netflix did a uf movie in the last month or two called Bright starring Will Smith.  Critics hated it, but the public seemed to like it.  I haven't had time to watch it yet.

Yeah it wasn't I suppose good cinema, but it was fun and they landed the cgi and fantasy/modern mash up. Biggest issue I think was the heavy-handed allegories and messages, and some of the pacing. Will Smith also just annoys me in general these days, but that's on me.

I was told (also you can tell) that some of their series took seasons before they found their audience, before any real interest or attention was given.
Netflix has ALL the money they saved during their DVD days, and then streaming, before they broke into making their own content.
If they chose DF as a series, they could make 2-3 or even 4 seasons and wait patiently on the viewers to come to them.
On the other hand Fox cancelled Firefly in a half a season, and Drive in 2 episodes.
DF home should be Netflix hands down.

But an example of them cancelling a popular high-budget sci-fi/mystery show was Sense8. Hard to know what the viewer numbers were like (as Netflix guards them strongly) but based on the size of the fanbase - it came down to the fact they wanted more money to dish around (unless you believe the conspiracy theories around Netflix's new corporate direction is to be more family friendly - I point to Altered Carbon to dispute that claim). Don't get me wrong, few other networks could do DF right - maybe Amazon or Starz, at a pinch HBO - but I think I would rather them streamline it a little while maintaining the core of the DF rather than losing the series half-way.

I finished altered carbon, which show does a decent parallel to dresden files and or has time travel.

Indeed, but they did close off the ending a bit abruptly (new lead actor, bold but dangerous) and the main murder mystery tends to get in the way of all the other interesting mysteries - I really didn't care much about who or why Laurens Bancroft was killed in the end, I mostly was more interested in the Envoys, AI and dark stuff in the background. And the vague alien references.

Hi gang it has been too long! I must admit that I mostly come here for news of the latest book but I do enjoy the WAGs!

For those who may have watched Netflix's latest blockbuster binge-fest, Altered Carbon you might have noticed some similarities. A big, angry brooding hero that everybody knows and somewhat fears, who is constantly fighting for his life against something bigger and more mysterious than himself with sexy naked people throwing themselves at him - ring any bells? There is even a feisty cop (who is very attractive) and an excellent fighter who is a love interest, and hates him and keeps thinking he is one of the bad guys. She is a great Murphy/Susan combination. The lead (while a lot less quippy and admittedly nerdy) is still a big, brooding thinking who is also great at taking on the world (with a massive oversized pistol), he is very insouciant to people he dislikes (especially if they are powerful) and he has a dark past. He even has a mouthy (horny?) assistant in his AI hotel Po (quite like Bob, he is very powerful but beholden to his master and cannot leave a certain area - not only that he is extremely knowledgeable).

The sci-fi setting is just as crazy and wild as the dresdenverse, the villains as devilish and the violence as incredible and visceral. And there is lots of sex and nudity (IT REALLY DOES SELL!) For great examples look at Westworld, Sense8, GoT

My point is - I think if Altered Carbon could be pitched, sold and made as successful as it is fast becoming then I believe the Dresden Files would be just as good, if not better.

It would require a really excellent team to execute it well, with good timing so it did not compete with any other big action fest. I also think the format would have to become a bit more cliffhanger-like for people to get really hooked. I doubt a book a season would actually work, so probably a few books per season might have to happen. My personal peeve is when people create monsters and characters for no good reason, when perfectly good examples already existed in the fiction. It can't become a monster of the week or buddy cop (like Lucifer) - it needs to remain a mystery-noir action fest - rather like Altered Carbon.  I also think the monologue/soliloquies would be a great staple too. 

All in all, what would you all like to see - and how could we make this happen? Genuine thoughts here guys - look at what vocal fanbases have achieved in the past.

Any other examples of what shows could be used as a great basis for DF? Anything I have left out?

Cheers

All I can say is the references to Archangels have me waiting for Mr. Sunshine to make a crossover appearance. 

I happen to agree with you. I mean Jim does play with us a bit but I got the impression he'd considered a crossover from his slightly teasing answer in a Q&A a while back. It was a question about whether DF would cross over with CA. I would definitely love to see CS as part of the DFU. Consider the surface creatures and the Enemy. Especially with that recent WoJ about Outsiders looking different in each universe.

I also rather enjoy your take Burger_Prince. Reminds me a lot of Zelzanzy's Lord of Light. Super advanced techno-gods and what not. I don't think he'll go there at this point however.

Sorry to double post. But in answer to Mira, I remember this PC game my sister used to play about faeries, and I'd have to help her past some of the levels. There was a gatekeeper in that, he guarded the cave of time or something like that. I doubt Jim has even heard of it, but still I wonder if the game had some basis in lore. As for whether he has a counterpart in Arabian Mythology I found nothing. BUT how about this!

Crone, the (Pan-Celtic) One aspect of the Triple Goddess. She represents old age or death, Winter, the end of all things, the waning moon, post-menstrual phases of women's lives, all destruction that precedes regeneration through her cauldron of rebirth. Crows and other black creatures are sacred to her. Dogs often accompanied her and guarded the gates of her after-world, helping her receive the dead. In Celtic myth, the gatekeeper-dog was named Dormarth (Death's Door). The Irish Celts maintained that true curses could be cast with the aid of a dog. Therefore, they used the word cainte (dog) for a satiric Bard with the magic power to speak curses that came true.

http://www.druidcircle.org/library/index.php?title=List_of_Celtic_Gods_%26_Goddesses

Includes some links between Mother Winter and Crone/Death and the Moon (Hecate) and even the fabled Triple Goddess (Hecate again, norns, fates, queens). But the bit about Dormarth was interesting. Cerberus guards the Greco-Roman Underworld. Hades has some link to the Queens. The Queens have a Gatekeeper. I wonder about the links there... Also in Celtic mythology, Dragons were gatekeepers to other worlds and guarded the secrets and treasures of the universe. Lots about Gatekeepers, but not much to do with Arab Mythos I am afraid.