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Author Craft / Re: despite the flack I'm going to get....
« on: August 02, 2010, 02:10:24 AM »
Well, IMO it wasn't just "luck and marketing" that got Rowling and/or Meyers published.

They both had to at least conceive and then write a story that connected with their audience in the first place.
That's a matter of skill & perseverance.
Heavy on the  perseverance.

Those things had to take place 100% prior to any 'luck' or 'marketing'.
Virtually every author professionally published will have some story variant of how much sheer perseverance it took to get noticed and published.

Luck plays into it here - Once they had something to sell, and that something was recognized by *someone* reading the slush pile  (or however it happened for them) as "Hey! This has a market - I can make some cash with this stuff!"

THEN the marketing comes in.
And, generally speaking, the real big marketing isn't done by the author. It's done by the publisher. 


And while I would not say that either authors works are the kind of thing where one starts reading and cannot put it down because of the gripping narrative, or deathless prose, (or whatever superlative works for you), it isn't exactly "bad".   (I've browsed the slush pile before. The word is usually dreck. Or gawdawful. Or "Pleasemakeitstopnooo!")

Both authors works tap into a certain commonality of human experience, and despite the writers limitations, they manage to do it well enough to sell boatloads of books.

The Backstreet Boys aren't Bach. But they are exceptional for what they are

Ditto Rowling & Meyer.

i agree that they had to conceive and write the books and that they had good ideas, but jk rowling herself admits it was luck as she gt publish the second time she sent it away, i could quote but i can't be bothered to did out my 2010 copy of the writers and artist yearbook

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Author Craft / Re: despite the flack I'm going to get....
« on: August 01, 2010, 10:09:10 PM »
JK Rowling is a successful writer. Her world building was superb and her stories entertained people from all over the age spectrum. The sales for Harry Potter all over the world were astronomical, especially for a kids' series. Until I'm able to say the same, I think I'm gonna hold back from throwing stones. :/

And for that matter - Stephanie Meyer is a successful writer. She had a target demographic and she exploited it perfectly, whether or not that was what she meant to do. For all the crap we like to lob her way she is still a published, successful, widely known author.

I'm interested in learning from the successes of these women. Do they have their flaws? Of course. Are they still crazy successful authors? Hell yeah. And frankly, it's studying their accomplishments that can help us, not sulking over the flaws that their agents and editors and publishers and readers didn't care much about.

...and if they did care, it wasn't enough to hurt their sales.
 

i wasn't throwing stones, just stating an opinion, Rowling did a very good job of capturing the imagination of a generation and she marketed very well, and did a lot of things that are vital to becoming successful but successful does not equal good in terms of writing quality. I love the books, have read them several times and still enjoy them now but it is not studying their accomplishments that aspiring writers should be doing its studying how she writes, and her use of bad story devices, poor characterisation and lack of limitations on the powers of the characters (other than good manners) takes away from the story. Her use of deus ex machina is the worst part, she sets up situations that cannot be solved until something completely unexpected and unpredictable happens, for example: in the last book when harry has to kill voldemort she drops in the deathly hallows, without them harry would never have been able to kill voldemort, or when harry gets the philosophers stone out of the mirror, that was a deus ex machina, or when he pulls the sword of gryffindor out of the sorting hat, or when his parents come out of voldemorts wand and allow him to escape, the list goes on. the main reason she is successful is that she found a story that spoke to the adolescent emotions of everyone "do I belong?"

she got her market dead on and deserves to be congratulated for that, but you cannot deny her use of poor story devices. aspiring writers should look at both the flaws and and the good points, that is the only way to learn

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Author Craft / Re: despite the flack I'm going to get....
« on: August 01, 2010, 07:11:07 PM »
I had to fix that for clarification, it was a little ambiguous, and I added some more comments.

I agree that Rowling is a much better writer, but I have read King's writitng and he really isn't a very good writer so I am not sure where he gets off telling a girl almost half his age that her writing isn't very good.

Kind of like if I took a elementary school kids paper and told him it sucks, and that his writing is not as good as mine.

1) JK Rowling is NOT a good writer, she is popular there is a difference, for one her constant use of deus ex machina (roughly translated "gods in the machine") excludes her from ever being great and her books often suffer from pace and clarity issues especially her later ones.

2) the same goes for stephanie meyer from what i hear although i have never read her books.

I don't hate twilight per se but i hate the massive amounts of attention it gets and the fans

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Author Craft / Re: Chapters
« on: July 20, 2010, 01:59:57 AM »
I outline each chapter separately and that's how I go about breaking up the text; however, I don't always stick to the outline, so if a cetain place seems right for a chapter break, I'll end it there.

you see i tried this with a previous novel and it really didn't work for me, i really struggled to say what i wanted to say and still maintain readability and i also had problems with continuity, so now i'm using jim's method as outlined on his live journal, which is why i'm not sure about chapter breaks.

cheers
si

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Author Craft / Re: I write like...
« on: July 19, 2010, 10:50:15 PM »
Hm... Maybe it isn't a scam.



Seems accurate enough to me. :D

hahahahahahahahahaha ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!!!!

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Author Craft / Re: Chapters
« on: July 19, 2010, 10:48:22 PM »
cheers for the advice, i haven't looked at any of the tutorials for scrivenor yet i should probably do that  ;D

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Author Craft / Re: Chapters
« on: July 19, 2010, 02:37:52 AM »
you see, i'm just currently doing my scene plans, not started the actual "writing" as such, i just thought it might be helpful to break it into chapters, athough, saying that, one of my favorite authors doesn't use chapters, hmmmm,

the other reason i'm wanting to break into chapters is that i'm using scrivenor on the suggestion of someone on here, and its asking for chapter subdivisions lol

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Author Craft / Chapters
« on: July 18, 2010, 11:06:47 PM »
how do you guys break up into chapters? i've decided on scenes etc. but i'm having trouble deciding where chapters start and end...

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Author Craft / Re: I write like...
« on: July 18, 2010, 10:54:09 PM »
apparently i write like

Vladimir Nabokov and edgar allan poe

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Author Craft / Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
« on: July 13, 2010, 11:21:28 AM »
alright so...

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sounds positively delectable! *makes hannibal noise*

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Author Craft / Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
« on: July 10, 2010, 11:53:49 PM »
Gross stuff under the black.

(click to show/hide)

Yes, to do all this some medical knowledge would be required.

epidural or spinal block yeah, and you would need a LOT of arterial clamps, and probably the most gruesome way to do it would be to cauterise the wound to stop them throwing fatty embolisms

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Author Craft / Re: character describtion
« on: July 10, 2010, 01:03:41 AM »
i don't think i would write massive biography type things but i think i might include a basic features description, hmm

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Author Craft / character describtion
« on: July 10, 2010, 12:42:34 AM »
Do you guys include full descriptions on your character description sheets? or just tags/traits?

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Author Craft / Re: online publishing
« on: July 10, 2010, 12:06:53 AM »
how about if i only publish stories that i'm not bothered about going to a publisher, or small excerpts like prologues?

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Author Craft / Re: online publishing
« on: July 09, 2010, 11:32:35 PM »
hmmmm, well i may have to re-consider, i thought it might be a way to build up credibility, you know, say to an agent "here is some of my other work" etc

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