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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: vincentric on December 25, 2022, 04:01:21 PM
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We know that Harry's basement survived total destruction in the fire but did Little Chicago survive? If it did the FBI could have moved it or Marcone could have taken it. Namshiel would be able to fix it and Marcone couldn't fail to see how useful a tool it was. He'd get more use from it than Harry. He may have moved it during the castle's construction and not moved it back.
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Namshiel would have been around during Changes so it is possible, but following Battle Ground Little Chicago wouldn’t work anyhow as Big Chicago had changed too much in the interim. To get little Chicago Marcone would have had to pull it through the Never Never in Leas domain.
It is likely that if LC survived Marcone wouldn’t have moved it outside the castle
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Namshiel would have been around during Changes so it is possible, but following Battle Ground Little Chicago wouldn’t work anyhow as Big Chicago had changed too much in the interim. To get little Chicago Marcone would have had to pull it through the Never Never in Leas domain.
It is likely that if LC survived Marcone wouldn’t have moved it outside the castle
I agree that most likely little Chicago survived, but when Marcone bought the property to put his castle on, 1] had he taken up the coin yet? Somehow I doubt it because in Peace Talks if I remember Harry mentions the magic circle, I think Namshiel would have done something with it.
However the big thing I agree with, even if Marcone has it, and Namshiel knows how to use it, it is simply useless because that Chicago no longer exists.
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WOJ is that Marcone took up the coin in the helicopter coming back from Demonreach in Turn Coat, so yes.
Marcone may have moved it from the sub-basement to another part of the Castle to create a cell for Thomas and then moved it out when Harry took charge. In either event LC is now out of date so even if Marcone had it running it won’t be now, until it is updated. Given the degree of redevelopment LC may be in a state of flux for the foreseeable future.
My guess if it survived it would have impressed even Namshiel, who was very dismissive of Dresden in Turn Coat but much less so in Battle Ground. Namshiel would have realised Dresden was another magic nerd upon examining LC, not a thug wizard the world generally saw. Bob was impressed by LC, and he had worked for many powerful and subtle wizards in the past, including Kemmler, so it is likely it impressed Namshiel.
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I seriously doubt Little Chicago survived the fire intact.
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I seriously doubt Little Chicago survived the fire intact.
Either way it is a moot point because big Chicago will never be the same.
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Harry made Little Chicago by gathering all the components from all over the city on his own. Marcone has hundreds of people to take pictures and gather materials and has the head start of Harry's work to build off. Yes, there was a great deal of destruction but 60-70% of the city is still there and Marcone would be able to get a full picture of the damaged areas much sooner.
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Harry made Little Chicago by gathering all the components from all over the city on his own. Marcone has hundreds of people to take pictures and gather materials and has the head start of Harry's work to build off. Yes, there was a great deal of destruction but 60-70% of the city is still there and Marcone would be able to get a full picture of the damaged areas much sooner.
Reconstruction takes time and changes minute by minute as things are built and torn down... They just finished building a huge house next door, you could take a picture of it one hour, but it wouldn't be the same the next hour. Other things burn and get torn down, in truth Little Chicago was never really practical because a city is dynamic and never static..
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Harry made Little Chicago by gathering all the components from all over the city on his own. Marcone has hundreds of people to take pictures and gather materials and has the head start of Harry's work to build off. Yes, there was a great deal of destruction but 60-70% of the city is still there and Marcone would be able to get a full picture of the damaged areas much sooner.
I have considered that argument. Magical tools are most attuned to their maker, staffs can be used by another wizard but never as well. LC is far more complex than any staff, another practitioner could use it, but with a far lesser level of proficiency than Harry, say 20% if they can use it at all. Harry gathered everything himself, made it himself, physically and magically.
Harry is also unusually adept at making and working with magical tools. He has intuited that the swords contain an angel rather than being a purely magical construct like a staff, and that the Castle needs a guiding spirit of intellect to work properly (which Namshiel didn’t)
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Reconstruction takes time and changes minute by minute as things are built and torn down... They just finished building a huge house next door, you could take a picture of it one hour, but it wouldn't be the same the next hour. Other things burn and get torn down, in truth Little Chicago was never really practical because a city is dynamic and never static..
The city was changing in those ways when Harry made LC the first time around. Marcone probably has people in some way involved with over 90% of the construction going on. He could easily keep it more up to date than Harry. Google Maps does it in the real world and they keep making updates year round.
The attunement factor could be a problem at first. But most magic items in the Dresdenverse seem to be something that any person with the will and skill can master eventually. Marcone may not start at 100% but he could work his way there.
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The city was changing in those ways when Harry made LC the first time around. Marcone probably has people in some way involved with over 90% of the construction going on. He could easily keep it more up to date than Harry. Google Maps does it in the real world and they keep making updates year round.
The attunement factor could be a problem at first. But most magic items in the Dresdenverse seem to be something that any person with the will and skill can master eventually. Marcone may not start at 100% but he could work his way there.
The magic that powers Little Chicago must be way more complicated than it appears, otherwise it would be used more.. Or it isn't complicated, but there are flaws in the concept, and when there are flaws problems arise as we saw when Little Chicago was "broken." I think the problem is it's place in the story telling, as readers we are fascinated by it, it comes up again and again on the boards. However in my opinion there are only so many times Harry can go to that well, Jim knows that. Then it simply becomes lazy story telling.
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If the (wooden) trap-door was intact after the fire, then virtually all of the lab was intact, too.
Modulo anything Marcone may have done.
He and Nammy may have been *very* regular users of LC, in the pre-BG era.
But there were other "interested parties" during the same time-period. Given Mab's "anti-tool" training, she may have acted (having the Way in via Lea's MurderGarden) to deprive Harry of LC, even if Marcone would have loved it... maybe even especially if Marcone would have loved it!
... Marcone probably has people in some way involved with over 90% of the construction going on. He could easily keep it more up to date than Harry. Google Maps does it in the real world and they keep making updates year round...
And Harry has the Little Folk. If he were willing to put in the time (and it still existed) I expect he could have Little Chicago back in operation in short order.
... I think the problem is it's place in the story telling, as readers we are fascinated by it, it comes up again and again on the boards. However in my opinion there are only so many times Harry can go to that well, Jim knows that. Then it simply becomes lazy story telling.
This, I think. It's really much more a meta-consideration than an in-universe one.
Does Jim want to use LC further?
If Jim wants LC gone, it's easy to justify it being gone.
If Jim has further use for LC, it's easy to justify how it's still there.
(Unlike you, Mira, I think Jim could use it; I don't think that well is nearly dry, yet, and Jim spent quite a while building it up, so I expect he wants more payoff from it)
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(Unlike you, Mira, I think Jim could use it; I don't think that well is nearly dry, yet, and Jim spent quite a while building it up, so I expect he wants more payoff from it)
Oh I'm not saying he can't use it again, but it is a fine line.
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It depends how well Jim wants Harry to set up his defences. The Castle is secure, Demonreach is secure, but what about the rest of Chicago? If Harry is indeed the official protector of Chicago he will get LC back, and do things with it he hadn’t previously considered. For example Harry is very interested in local teleportation. LC could allow Harry to teleport from the Castle to anywhere covered by LC. Think of a little pewter Harry figurine placed on LC where he wants to go. To important waypoints (and thus by the Ways across the world), to where he is needed urgently, to Demonreach if he extends it that far. Of course Harry won’t have figured out how to teleport point to point without starting from LC so he ends up always walking home. Bit of a problem if it’s Demonreach…… Still will need the Munstermobile for most things. It would probably be much safer than most other forms of teleportation as LC would lock onto exactly where he needs to go
I can see Harry making miniatures of his daughter, Mouse, the Knights, the Alphas and his other allies so he can teleport them around the City, for safety of them and others, and if he can get his DNA perhaps Marcone, just for fun, into the harbour, the Prison etc.
Here’s a thought LC is Marcone’s wedding present to Harry, because he is making his own with Namshiel, now Namshiel has seen Harry’s version.
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There is a WOJ on this. It's gone. Water would have washed away the magic. In any case as of Battleground there is at least one and possibly 2 other versions in the books.
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Water would have washed away the magic yes, but it the physical structure exists the rebuilding is much les s of a major work. Bob remembers the spell work and the fix, so updating the physical and renewing the spells would work.
It would mean Namshiel wouldn’t have able to examine the spells Harry used. Hmmmmm.
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There is a WOJ on this. It's gone. Water would have washed away the magic.
Well, that's that then!
Jim wants it gone.
In any case as of Battleground there is at least one and possibly 2 other versions in the books.
Damn, I clearly need to re-read BG. This is like, the 3rd-4th reference someone made, that made me go "whaaa...?"
Can you go further into this element, since I clearly was Not Paying Attention In Class?
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There is a WOJ on this. It's gone. Water would have washed away the magic. In any case as of Battleground there is at least one and possibly 2 other versions in the books.
Drop a ceiling beam on it too. Squish it good. House likely collapsed
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Drop a ceiling beam on it too. Squish it good. House likely collapsed
Doubt that would have done it.
Harry lived in a little basement. Most of the boarding-house would have collapsed, with very little falling into the (relatively small) hole in the ground that Harry lived in.
The lab was an even-smaller hole, underneath the living-space.
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Doubt that would have done it.
Harry lived in a little basement. Most of the boarding-house would have collapsed, with very little falling into the (relatively small) hole in the ground that Harry lived in.
The lab was an even-smaller hole, underneath the living-space.
Perhaps, but unless it was sealed water tight, the basement would of flooded from the hundreds of gallons of water the fire department would have poured on the burning building above it.
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Perhaps, but unless it was sealed water tight, the basement would of flooded from the hundreds of gallons of water the fire department would have poured on the burning building above it.
I mean... Jim could have written it so that Harry had put O-rings sealing the trap door & used a marine varathane to waterproof it (had he wanted to). Hands could have been waved, explanations made.
I think your prior analysis is right, Mira -- Jim felt "done" with LC; its loss was one of the changes in Changes.
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I mean... Jim could have written it so that Harry had put O-rings sealing the trap door & used a marine varathane to waterproof it (had he wanted to). Hands could have been waved, explanations made.
I think your prior analysis is right, Mira -- Jim felt "done" with LC; its loss was one of the changes in Changes.
Yes, I think Jim was done with it. The problem with what Harry could have done to make it water proof as you suggested, is it make no sense that he would do it in the first place. His lab was in the basement of a basement apartment, unless it was prone to flooding, which is possible, but never mentioned in any of the books, so why go to all the effort to waterproof the hatch? I also doubt that Harry could foresee that the building would be attacked and set on fire. He did put up wards and perhaps thought that was enough. It wouldn't be the first time he has overlooked details when it comes to fire. The reason why he has a maimed hand is while his bracelet shield stopped the fire, it didn't stop the intense heat... Harry admits later that he did screw up and takes care of that little mistake when he constructs his next bracelet.
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Well, that's that then!
Jim wants it gone.
Damn, I clearly need to re-read BG. This is like, the 3rd-4th reference someone made, that made me go "whaaa...?"
Can you go further into this element, since I clearly was Not Paying Attention In Class?
Odin's map in Battleground causes Harry to comment that somebody must be spending a lot of time in Chicago, referring, I surmise, to the effort it took to keep LC current. The map has a lot of the same functionality.“A tactical map,” I noted. “Of my town.” Vadderung glanced up at me with his one eye and then back down. “What of it?”
Butcher, Jim. Battle Ground (Dresden Files) (p. 54). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
Search on this.
In Small Favor when Mab shows Harry Marcone's kidnapping in a snow scene. Contrast Gard's reaction with the reaction of Cowl in White Knight when he senses Harry watching. The passages could be twins, therefore I speculate that Mab has access to something very similar to LC, only better. Also remember the first use and how Harry sees himself when using LC.
YMMV
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Mab can do what she did previously, in Small Favour? On a smaller scale, create a detailed 3D snow map of the entire city BUT I suspect she can only do it whilst snowing and snow is settling everywhere. The snow on the buildings creates the map not the buildings It’s another reason to attack her on the Summer Solstice when she is weakest. That would mean she would have had the technical capacity to fix LC.
Odin definitely is keeping an eye on Chicago, too much is going on there for him not to. He probably has for far longer than we realise and his ability as Kringle to by-pass thresholds also makes him a candidate for fixing LC. His map is indicative of the technical capacity required to fix LC.
LC needed to be gone for BG in the same way it couldn’t be relevant for Changes, Harry needs to be in the middle of both battles. One set away from Chicago, the other not, so LC had to gone by BG, think how much easier Harry would have had it, in luring Ethnui to the lake shore. It won’t be relevant for Mirror Mirror (unless Mirror Harry has built it as well). We know by The Law Harry has rebuilt all of his other tools, and is re-equipping his lab, so LC2 might be next, especially to increase his defences. We might see the re- building process in part and much interrupted in Next Book together with upgrades. Integrating his mothers gem into it would for example allow him to monitor the way points in Chicago which LC never did. Bob was already part of the set-up, but now Bob is internet capable so he can add real time CCTV images and internet data to LC’s output.
Of course Harry finishes it and his next big case is outside of Chicago.
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OF COURSE Odin has unmatched surveillance of Chicago. He has to know if you are sleeping, or if you are awake, or being bad or good, for goodness' sake!
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Odin's map in Battleground causes Harry to comment that somebody must be spending a lot of time in Chicago, referring, I surmise, to the effort it took to keep LC current. The map has a lot of the same functionality.Search on this.
In Small Favor when Mab shows Harry Marcone's kidnapping in a snow scene. Contrast Gard's reaction with the reaction of Cowl in White Knight when he senses Harry watching. The passages could be twins, therefore I speculate that Mab has access to something very similar to LC, only better. Also remember the first use and how Harry sees himself when using LC.
YMMV
Well, considering that Vadderung aka Odin is considered god, and Mab is the Queen of Winter, one would think that both of them would have a lot more resources at their disposal than Harry to keep their versions of Little Chicago current. Harry only had himself and Bob, when he let him out, though Bob could be easily distracted. One source open to him now would be Toot and Za'Gard, all it would take is Harry to convince him of the military importance and plenty of pizza...
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You would merely end up with a map of all the pizza parlours in Chicago.
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You would merely end up with a map of all the pizza parlours in Chicago.
Which could be of strategic value! Wasn't it Napoleon who said, "an army travels on it's stomach?"
Never was that more true than for Toot and Za'Gard. ::)
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Updating LC:
Waldo Butters wrangling some geeks, flying drones all 'round the city, to produce photos.
Harry takes the photos, reviews them to see what needs sampling.
Dispatches the Little Folk to gather each specific sample.
I'll be honest with you, though: I don't think Jim really considered the mundane logistics of Little Chicago. The sheer number of sites Harry had to visit (& collect samples from) would have been prohibitive, simply in terms of time.
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Updating LC:
Waldo Butters wrangling some geeks, flying drones all 'round the city, to produce photos.
Harry takes the photos, reviews them to see what needs sampling.
Dispatches the Little Folk to gather each specific sample.
I'll be honest with you, though: I don't think Jim really considered the mundane logistics of Little Chicago. The sheer number of sites Harry had to visit (& collect samples from) would have been prohibitive, simply in terms of time.
Agreed.
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Doesn’t need it- Bob has the internet now and can project any image required - satellite and streetview are available to Harry as are the Planning and zoning records on-line and websites like Skyscraper City which track the progress of major buildings.
Sending the Little Folk sampling may end up with a pizza flavoured LC through contamination of the samples. Harry’s detective training would have prevented that.
LC2 would be larger and should include Demonreach- indeed making Little Demonreach is a priority. Harry has the space to set aside for just such a project now so the sub-basement size constraint is gone and it would allow him to keep an Eye on the island and converse with Alfred. He could make it on the island quickly with the benefit of his Intellectus and Alfred collecting samples. Indeed following BG Alfred can meet him at the Lake Shore to bring weapons or collect crystals. Harry is too vulnerable on the water. Can Alfred carry Harry to and from Demonreach? Probably underwater at enormous speed which would be terribly funny the first time Harry orders it. Alfred was able to turn up almost immediately in BG.
Another thought LD would be much smaller, Harry could build it on a portable base, so it could go in the back of say an old style hearse. It would allow Harry to take it with him out and about. As the Munstermobile is a company car anyone who damages faces the wrath of Mab, so it would be nice and safe, making it easier to meet Alfred at the Lakeshore.
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Yeah, you don't need to do much on the research side now that Harry can use Bob to access the internet. Just what you can get Google Maps is pretty thorough.
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Harry would have used old fashioned paper maps to lay out the grid of LC, but wouldn’t have a visual record unless he took photographs on an old fashioned film camera (he’s used disposables in the past). The internet records would allow him to access elevation plan detail as well as photos much faster.
Demonreach would be massively easier still because of his Intellectus, he can easily add contours, structures, trees because he knows them perfectly, and it is less prone to change than LC. A smaller project that can be accomplished in a much shorter time with less of an impact on the narrative but adding massively to his overall security in eliminating many of his trips to the island. Harry might be able to summon Alfred in person to LD and whatever he is carrying, and would increase his control over Alfred (just when he is having doubts)
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harry could likely model Demonreach, and maybe talk to Alfred, but I doubt summon him. Too much juice thru a mini version. I think the reason they needed Ethniu at the water was Alfred can only be so far from his source of power, the dark well. Can't drive out to Schaumberg and just summon him.
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Yeah, you don't need to do much on the research side now that Harry can use Bob to access the internet. Just what you can get Google Maps is pretty thorough.
Date/accuracy of Googlemaps is problematic.
Harry needs current data.
And with post-BG rebuilding as an ongoing project for city/state/fed & private owners, Harry would need to update LC on a daily basis...
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Date/accuracy of Googlemaps is problematic.
Harry needs current data.
And with post-BG rebuilding as an ongoing project for city/state/fed & private owners, Harry would need to update LC on a daily basis...
Yeah, maybe an hourly basis.
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Really? Perhaps in 2014 before the Timelapse feature was added, but I use them professionally for much the same purpose in identifying changes to buildings for valuation purposes. I cross check against the local planning and zoning records on line.
I presume Google would seek to update its records on Chicago fairly promptly following the damage, they need to for their ongoing driverless car project as soon as the roads are clear, which they appear to be by The Law. The internet is clearly back by The Law as well. As soon as it was Harry must have been really annoying to everyone he knows by e-mailing them stuff like cat videos and memes which did the rounds YEARS ago, but are entirely novel to the first on-line wizard. Early adopters, don’t you just hate them?
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Really? Perhaps in 2014 before the Timelapse feature was added, but I use them professionally for much the same purpose in identifying changes to buildings for valuation purposes. I cross check against the local planning and zoning records on line.
I presume Google would seek to update its records on Chicago fairly promptly following the damage, they need to for their ongoing driverless car project as soon as the roads are clear, which they appear to be by The Law. The internet is clearly back by The Law as well. As soon as it was Harry must have been really annoying to everyone he knows by e-mailing them stuff like cat videos and memes which did the rounds YEARS ago, but are entirely novel to the first on-line wizard. Early adopters, don’t you just hate them?
Except Harry still cannot use a computer as far as I know.
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Bob can, he’s his own operating system (Little Things) and he can project on the walls of the Castle. He has to worry about viruses from all the porn sites he visits though.
Because Bob is magical instead of Ferromancy Harry’s proximity doesn’t affect him, so he can use him like a magical Siri or Alexa (Bobs ideal threesome) “Bob, email Will tomorrows itinerary and attach that amusing cat video”.
This gives me pause for thought if people believe enough in an A.I. system will it become a Spirit of Intellect? Worse yet, what if people looking for A.I. think that Bob is one? Or Bonea?
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Bob can, he’s his own operating system (Little Things) and he can project on the walls of the Castle. He has to worry about viruses from all the porn sites he visits though.
Because Bob is magical instead of Ferromancy Harry’s proximity doesn’t affect him, so he can use him like a magical Siri or Alexa (Bobs ideal threesome) “Bob, email Will tomorrows itinerary and attach that amusing cat video”.
This gives me pause for thought if people believe enough in an A.I. system will it become a Spirit of Intellect? Worse yet, what if people looking for A.I. think that Bob is one? Or Bonea?
However Bob has been known to get things wrong, and Bonea is just figuring out that just because it moves when sloshed, milk isn't a living being.
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Bob is like any other thinking system “Garbage in, Garbage out” he isn’t as good with the internet as Gary but then few people are (porn distractions maybe) Harry makes plenty of mistakes based on the information he has (or has not asked about).
Another thought- what if the info about Starborn that Bob has was linked to Kemmler and Harry accidentally deleted it in Dead Beat creating Evil Bob? It stands to reason Bob would have that info and that Harry would have asked and the only reason he wouldn’t know would be this. This would be before the whole Starborn thing became an issue.
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Bob is like any other thinking system “Garbage in, Garbage out” he isn’t as good with the internet as Gary but then few people are (porn distractions maybe) Harry makes plenty of mistakes based on the information he has (or has not asked about).
Another thought- what if the info about Starborn that Bob has was linked to Kemmler and Harry accidentally deleted it in Dead Beat creating Evil Bob? It stands to reason Bob would have that info and that Harry would have asked and the only reason he wouldn’t know would be this. This would be before the whole Starborn thing became an issue.
No, Harry didn't accidentally delete the information related to Kemmler. After he asked Bob to remember the information, Evil Bob emerged and tried to kill Harry. Then Harry ordered him to forget it forever. What Harry didn't know, and maybe not Bob either was blocking that information permanently would create Evil Bob, I guess you can say no information can be completely lost.
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No, Harry didn't accidentally delete the information related to Kemmler. After he asked Bob to remember the information, Evil Bob emerged and tried to kill Harry. Then Harry ordered him to forget it forever. What Harry didn't know, and maybe not Bob either was blocking that information permanently would create Evil Bob, I guess you can say no information can be completely lost.
Tell that to the Archive, once the Oblivion War is won and all copies of rituals gone she will likely be impelled to kill herself so that it is.
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Date/accuracy of Googlemaps is problematic.
Harry needs current data.
And with post-BG rebuilding as an ongoing project for city/state/fed & private owners, Harry would need to update LC on a daily basis...
If that were true it would be pointless to even have begun the construction of LC in the first place. At the time of construction Harry didn't have the time or resources to update LC weekly, if he had to do it daily to keep it functional that would be his full-time job. Google Maps or an equivalent would be the starting template but after that you only need to track construction and demolition of large scale not every time someone builds a new fence or deck.
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If that were true it would be pointless to even have begun the construction of LC in the first place. At the time of construction Harry didn't have the time or resources to update LC weekly, if he had to do it daily to keep it functional that would be his full-time job. Google Maps or an equivalent would be the starting template but after that you only need to track construction and demolition of large scale not every time someone builds a new fence or deck.
Actually if I remember correctly, detail is important..
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On that basis Harry couldn’t practically build LC, but could build something smaller.
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On that basis Harry couldn’t practically build LC, but could build something smaller.
Yes, but would it be worth the time and effort?
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Oh yes, for example the immediate neighbourhood around the Castle, and Demonreach both would be capable of being modelled, the former creating an outer perimeter for Harry’s defences and the latter allowing him to contact Alfred and/or operate Demonreach remotely.
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Oh yes, for example the immediate neighbourhood around the Castle, and Demonreach both would be capable of being modelled, the former creating an outer perimeter for Harry’s defences and the latter allowing him to contact Alfred and/or operate Demonreach remotely.
Harry doesn't need to spend that much time or effort... It will cost him heavily in pizza, but he has the little people on his side and they will let him know if anything is amiss and track or spy..
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Not with Demonreach, and Harry eventually wants Maggie to live at the Castle. We know he is bringing In Gargoyles, so creating an out perimeter defence that can be operated safely from the Castle makes sense, as does providing protection for his neighbours.
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If that were true it would be pointless to even have begun the construction of LC in the first place. At the time of construction Harry didn't have the time or resources to update LC weekly, if he had to do it daily to keep it functional that would be his full-time job. Google Maps or an equivalent would be the starting template but after that you only need to track construction and demolition of large scale not every time someone builds a new fence or deck.
Just during the rebuilding after the Battle of Chicago.
The battle itself would have ruined LC; some sections would have been rebuilt the same, but many would have been built with completely-new buildings &c.
While that was going on, LC would have been very tough to keep updated.
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A smaller neighbourhood surrounding the Castle would be easier to manage, it suffered less total building damage than say the Gold Coast.
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A smaller neighbourhood surrounding the Castle would be easier to manage, it suffered less total building damage than say the Gold Coast.
But it is not needed when he has hundreds of little motes of light that go unnoticed to keep an eye on things..
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The little folk are oft distracted and as Cold Days shows not all of them accept the way of the Za Lord.
LC wasn’t just a monitoring device, it could have been utilised as a weapon extending the castles defences outwards to protect irs approaches and neighbourhood.
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The little folk are oft distracted and as Cold Days shows not all of them accept the way of the Za Lord.
LC wasn’t just a monitoring device, it could have been utilised as a weapon extending the castles defences outwards to protect irs approaches and neighbourhood.
But it has flaws, as we saw, it can be broken..
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Smaller set-ups would likely be much more stable and easier to maintain, LC is VERY ambitious.