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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: Griffyn612 on September 08, 2021, 12:57:29 AM
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Anyone seen a video yet to confirm the comments over on Reddit? There's some interesting stuff, but I'd like to know the context of the "Starborn is the endgame of the series" bit.
I'm wondering if that's the last title of the case files, STAR BORN, before the BAT, or if he just means the Starborn are collectively the important part of the series.
Source
https://www.reddit.com/r/dresdenfiles/comments/phee1h/butcher_at_dragoncon_2021/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/dresdenfiles/comments/phee1h/butcher_at_dragoncon_2021/)
Here's the other synopsis of another panel.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dresdenfiles/comments/piopig/butcher_dragon_con_weaponized_magic/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/dresdenfiles/comments/piopig/butcher_dragon_con_weaponized_magic/)
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Nice. It'd be great to see a video on these.
The part about the White Council using an enemy's magic against them is interesting. It kinda reminds me of Maggie Sr's death curse as far as a strategy.
Star Born would be an okay title for the last book before the BAT, but I'm kinda partial to Over Time. Especially since starborn is one word in the text.
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How about Game Ends lol? Time Outs? Walks alone?
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40% done Olympian Affair and expecting to finish Twelve Months by January? January of 2022? I wasn't expecting that kind of speed anymore.
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40% done Olympian Affair and expecting to finish Twelve Months by January? January of 2022? I wasn't expecting that kind of speed anymore.
Squeeeee!
How about Game Ends lol? Time Outs? Walks alone?
LOL. I like Game Ends ;)
But there have not been any verbs in the titles by now.
Walks Alone.... LOL. Makes me think about Harry after destroying every Walker save one. The last one. Harry will rename him
"HE WHO WALKS ALONE"!!!!
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He went blond two tone and buff to boot.
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He went blond two tone and buff to boot.
Not completely, he also was wearing a lovely white daisy chain around his waist and a pink peony in his right ear... ::)
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40% done Olympian Affair and expecting to finish Twelve Months by January? January of 2022? I wasn't expecting that kind of speed anymore.
It's always possible he really wated to write Twelve Months. Motivation seems to be a massive booster of writing speed for many authors.
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It's always possible he really wated to write Twelve Months. Motivation seems to be a massive booster of writing speed for many authors.
Or considering the rumored personal problems he has suffered of late, and no, I do not want to go there at all, that is his business. Writing and putting his head in another universe even if only for a few hours a day can help sort out personal problems and pain. He will not have been the first or will he be the last, author, artist, or creative person to do so.. Often it turns out to be the person's finest work.
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He used to write two books a year, one Dresden and one something else. I am an optimistic guy so I am just hoping he is coming back to that :-)
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He used to write two books a year, one Dresden and one something else. I am an optimistic guy so I am just hoping he is coming back to that :-)
Yeah, I don't know if he'll get back to that same rate (the books keep getting longer and longer), but it's an exciting message.
He's said in the past that traveling really slows down his writing pace as well. With more online work being acceptable, that might be cut down a bit.
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I am also thinking that 12 months compared to a normal book should be easier and faster to write. If a normal book is 80% stand alone and 20% based on the previous books, and those 20% are to some degree complicating mainly complicating things, not making them easier. Then 12 months 7s just the opposite.
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I am also thinking that 12 months compared to a normal book should be easier and faster to write. If a normal book is 80% stand alone and 20% based on the previous books, and those 20% are to some degree complicating mainly complicating things, not making them easier. Then 12 months 7s just the opposite.
Perhaps a lesson learned as to why it isn't a good thing to let too many years pass between books.
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The Reddit write up didn't include my question that Jim answered. "Must the fae queen mantles go to mortals and does it change their DNA?"
Jim answered, Yes, and yes. Since mortals are the only ones who have free will, the queens must start out with free will. Which is odd, because we've already seen examples of how Molly doesn't have free will in all things, already.
Later, one of the other questions was about Harry's free will. Jim said that his free will is dependent upon how many commands Mab saddles him with.
I have an audio file of the Q&A. I intend to write a transcript, but I haven't had time. Perhaps I'll load it up to YouTube.
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Later, one of the other questions was about Harry's free will. Jim said that his free will is dependent upon how many commands Mab saddles him with.
Well, I can see that, based on what she did to Slate, hard to have free will under those kinds of threats.
Jim answered, Yes, and yes. Since mortals are the only ones who have free will, the queens must start out with free will. Which is odd, because we've already seen examples of how Molly doesn't have free will in all things, already.
Yes, as time passes she becomes less human.. Or is a bit more complicated than that? Kind of like angels, all kinds of power but the greater the power the greater the constraints they have to live under.
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The Reddit write up didn't include my question that Jim answered. "Must the fae queen mantles go to mortals and does it change their DNA?"
Jim answered, Yes, and yes. Since mortals are the only ones who have free will, the queens must start out with free will. Which is odd, because we've already seen examples of how Molly doesn't have free will in all things, already.
Later, one of the other questions was about Harry's free will. Jim said that his free will is dependent upon how many commands Mab saddles him with.
I have an audio file of the Q&A. I intend to write a transcript, but I haven't had time. Perhaps I'll load it up to YouTube.
Load it up pleese.
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The Reddit write up didn't include my question that Jim answered. "Must the fae queen mantles go to mortals and does it change their DNA?"
Jim answered, Yes, and yes. Since mortals are the only ones who have free will, the queens must start out with free will. Which is odd, because we've already seen examples of how Molly doesn't have free will in all things, already.
They need free will to take up the Mantle, not after. I'm guessing if Molly had no intention of taking it up, it wouldn't have gone to her.
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Load it up pleese.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g6EbjOFxKY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g6EbjOFxKY)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g6EbjOFxKY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g6EbjOFxKY)
Time for me to get typing.
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They need free will to take up the Mantle, not after. I'm guessing if Molly had no intention of taking it up, it wouldn't have gone to her.
I think it is a little more complicated than that, in spite of what Mab told Harry. Molly was being prepared no doubt, but unless she was outright told this or had enough knowledge of the Fae to know what was going on, it didn't enter her with her permission. Once there I think it works like a massive shot of the most addictive drug you can think of. Lilly may have been a changeling, but at
the time the mantle entered her, she was mortal enough to have free will to reject it. The only one in the books at any rate that took up his mantle of him own free will, was Harry.. And even he didn't fully know what he bargained for once he took it up.
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Kinda amazed that nobody asked a single question about Murphy.
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Kinda amazed that nobody asked a single question about Murphy.
Let her rest in peace, I don't think we will see her again unless Harry is killed off in the BAT, then Gard will pick him up to join Murphy in Valhalla.
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They need free will to take up the Mantle, not after. I'm guessing if Molly had no intention of taking it up, it wouldn't have gone to her.
As a matter of language that isn't what he appeared to say. He said to take up the mantle they need to be mortal. Mortals by his definition have free will. Lea created a condition where the mantle would go to Molly if no other prepared candidates were available.
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As a matter of language that isn't what he appeared to say. He said to take up the mantle they need to be mortal. Mortals by his definition have free will. Lea created a condition where the mantle would go to Molly if no other prepared candidates were available.
Perhaps, but at some point Molly had to have known this was the case and accepted the conditions of her own free will. If she didn't and the mantle merely popped into her because she was the nearest vessel, then it wasn't of her free will. Molly knowing when she accepted her "Auntie's" training that she was also accepting possible conditions for accepting a mantle is critical and never as far as I can tell been fully explained. One way it was of her own free will, the other is that it wasn't, and that she was tricked into it by Lea and Mab. Actually the latter is very possible, given how dangerous bargaining with the Fae can be.. The Fae cannot lie, but their view of truth isn't the same as for mere humans who end up with the short end of the stick usually in any Fae bargain. In other words they got what they bargained for down to the last letter, only to find out it wasn't what they really were bargaining for in the first place.
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There's an audio file on YouTube
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Perhaps, but at some point Molly had to have known this was the case and accepted the conditions of her own free will. If she didn't and the mantle merely popped into her because she was the nearest vessel, then it wasn't of her free will. Molly knowing when she accepted her "Auntie's" training that she was also accepting possible conditions for accepting a mantle is critical and never as far as I can tell been fully explained. One way it was of her own free will, the other is that it wasn't, and that she was tricked into it by Lea and Mab. Actually the latter is very possible, given how dangerous bargaining with the Fae can be.. The Fae cannot lie, but their view of truth isn't the same as for mere humans who end up with the short end of the stick usually in any Fae bargain. In other words they got what they bargained for down to the last letter, only to find out it wasn't what they really were bargaining for in the first place.
I tend to think the third option would be a subconscious choice actually, I remember someone pointing out it was Harry's ID wearing the winter badge for instance. An ID harry was being influenced by lash too.
I think it's a matrix dupe. She accepted on some level without knowing exactly what she was saying yes to.
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I tend to think the third option would be a subconscious choice actually, I remember someone pointing out it was Harry's ID wearing the winter badge for instance. An ID harry was being influenced by lash too.
I think it's a matrix dupe. She accepted on some level without knowing exactly what she was saying yes to.
That is the trick. Yes, on many levels she freely made the choices that got her where she ended up.
Yet, in truth since she had no understanding of what her choices would mean, how free were they?
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Perhaps, but at some point Molly had to have known this was the case and accepted the conditions of her own free will. If she didn't and the mantle merely popped into her because she was the nearest vessel, then it wasn't of her free will. Molly knowing when she accepted her "Auntie's" training that she was also accepting possible conditions for accepting a mantle is critical and never as far as I can tell been fully explained. One way it was of her own free will, the other is that it wasn't, and that she was tricked into it by Lea and Mab. Actually the latter is very possible, given how dangerous bargaining with the Fae can be.. The Fae cannot lie, but their view of truth isn't the same as for mere humans who end up with the short end of the stick usually in any Fae bargain. In other words they got what they bargained for down to the last letter, only to find out it wasn't what they really were bargaining for in the first place.
Molly bargained with no one other than Harry. Harry killed himself and once that happened Molly was left on her own. It's the whole point of Ghost Story. Harry placed her in the position she found herself in. And there was no one who could help her. Mab calls him out for this in Cold Days. Harry never meant for any of those things to happen but that doesn't change what did happen. As he tells Maeve right before she dies, free will isn't a super power. That dialog is the best definition of free will that Jim's given to date.
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Molly bargained with no one other than Harry. Harry killed himself and once that happened Molly was left on her own. It's the whole point of Ghost Story. Harry placed her in the position she found herself in. And there was no one who could help her. Mab calls him out for this in Cold Days. Harry never meant for any of those things to happen but that doesn't change what did happen. As he tells Maeve right before she dies, free will isn't a super power. That dialog is the best definition of free will that Jim's given to date.
Molly still had choices though, it was her choice to assist Harry's suicide. On one level you could almost say Mab was taking a bit of revenge by training Molly without telling her the reasons because Molly's assistance deprived her of her Knight.
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We might never know, but if you remember Mab said she has something else in mind for Molly. The part of me that likes happy endings thinks that she meant Molly to be Harry's wife.
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As a matter of language that isn't what he appeared to say. He said to take up the mantle they need to be mortal.
yeah that makes more sense than what I thought. I don't think what I said is correct. Molly could have wanted it gone and not had a choice. The being mortal requirement makes sense.
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That is the trick. Yes, on many levels she freely made the choices that got her where she ended up.
Yet, in truth since she had no understanding of what her choices would mean, how free were they?
that's exactly like real life and growing up. You don't know the consequences til after you do it. You might learn and start to have foresight about certain things, like fire is hot. (But at some point that was probably learned from experience too I suppose..) no, it's not fair.
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They need free will to take up the Mantle, not after. I'm guessing if Molly had no intention of taking it up, it wouldn't have gone to her.
And I am guessing she had no choice at all. Free will does not mean some things are not forced upon you.
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Molly bargained with no one other than Harry. Harry killed himself and once that happened Molly was left on her own. It's the whole point of Ghost Story. Harry placed her in the position she found herself in. And there was no one who could help her. Mab calls him out for this in Cold Days. Harry never meant for any of those things to happen but that doesn't change what did happen. As he tells Maeve right before she dies, free will isn't a super power. That dialog is the best definition of free will that Jim's given to date.
except that it is not about free will but about lying. Which can be an expression of free will but the Fomor lie all the time.
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Lying is about free will but YMMV.
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So in terms of Lore additions.
1.One of the irl events of the recent years was Covid-19 I had a fan theory it was the Mothers, but Jim said it was probably Jade Court.
2. Nephilim exist, we've met some and we'll learn more about them.
3. Symbol of faith doesn't matter its the faith that counts. Including Lawmen badges.
4. Chandlers in Mirror Mirror.
5. 12 months shows how Chicago has changed post Battleground.
6. Dresden Files novella has The Outfit.
7. Fae mantles do change DNA. Need to be Mortal cause Mortals have Free Will.
8. Jim doesn't know White Court origin. Kinda discounts most Etruscan theories.
Those are the major ones I can tell from my notes while listening. One or two interesting writing what ifs.
1.Michael was almost killed off.
2. The reason writing picked up Summer Knight on is first 3 books were written in the same year or so and he learnt alot.
3. 12 months will hopefully be finished early next year so hopefully another book late next year depending on publishers.
4.Jim's son has a publishing deal (good for him!) urban fantasy book called "Dead Man's Hand". Personally think it's probably about a "Hand of Glory". Type situation.
I'm sure I missed some but those are the things that stuck out to me.
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3 heh, makes sense why Gruff gave Murphy so much personal clout.
4 Chandler, or MM Chandler 🤔👀
8*inhales* LIAR! An so ya know if you read this Jim, as a put upon theorist just trying to find acceptance I do understand your desire to conceal the twists of your plot. But I absolutely hate that you did that. I don't forgive that one. I don't believe you for one second and would absolutely pull up to the urinal next to you in violation of the bathroom codex to force a private conversation on the matter.
I AM the Etruscan theory. 😠😫👿 I've been cheated on and felt less betrayed..
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8*inhales* LIAR! An so ya know if you read this Jim, as a put upon theorist just trying to find acceptance I do understand your desire to conceal the twists of your plot. But I absolutely hate that you did that. I don't forgive that one. I don't believe you for one second and would absolutely pull up to the urinal next to you in violation of the bathroom codex to force a private conversation on the matter.
I AM the Etruscan theory. 😠😫👿 I've been cheated on and felt less betrayed..
Sorry mate I liked it too, I missed out going to Etruscan ruins on my trip to Rome so this is my second bittersweet Etruscan disappointment.
Possibly Jim just forgot they spoke Etruscan in White Night.
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Sorry mate I liked it too, I missed out going to Etruscan ruins on my trip to Rome so this is my second bittersweet Etruscan disappointment.
Possibly Jim just forgot they spoke Etruscan in White Night.
meh. Like I said, I really don't believe it. Jim's been saying for years he lies but I've never specifically seen it, until now. But... Considering the offshoots the Etruscan idea can take and where it can lead I understand why he'd say that.. technically, he didn't lie I suppose, Etruscan isn't their origins. It's their fate 😳
(Saying he doesn't know, is the real tell tale sign though. White court has more backstory in it than any other Court. Saying he doesn't know is paramount to pleading the 5th)
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meh. Like I said, I really don't believe it. Jim's been saying for years he lies but I've never specifically seen it, until now. But... Considering the offshoots the Etruscan idea can take and where it can lead I understand why he'd say that.. technically, he didn't lie I suppose, Etruscan isn't their origins. It's their fate 😳
(Saying he doesn't know, is the real tell tale sign though. White court has more backstory in it than any other Court. Saying he doesn't know is paramount to pleading the 5th)
If it helps in the same sentence, he mentions in the same sentence. That it may come out in the next book. "Harry and Lara will need to talk about something on their dates". So assuming he either was or wasn't lying... either way, not sure which way at this point. We might get an answer in "Twelve Months" on one of their dates.
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3 heh, makes sense why Gruff gave Murphy so much personal clout.
4 Chandler, or MM Chandler 🤔👀
8*inhales* LIAR! An so ya know if you read this Jim, as a put upon theorist just trying to find acceptance I do understand your desire to conceal the twists of your plot. But I absolutely hate that you did that. I don't forgive that one. I don't believe you for one second and would absolutely pull up to the urinal next to you in violation of the bathroom codex to force a private conversation on the matter.
I AM the Etruscan theory. 😠😫👿 I've been cheated on and felt less betrayed..
He does not know so if you know better you should of course inform him ;D ;D
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4. Chandlers in Mirror Mirror.
Yes! Yet another of my predictions comes true unless Jim changes his mind. The first I was right on was years before it happened I predicted based on Dead Beat that Butters would eventually be a Holy Knight.
So the question then becomes, does Harry rescue Chandler and bring him back? Does Chandler remain where he is to continue the good fight? Does Chandler become a major ally of Harry if he does successfully rescue him? Or does Chandler turn out to be infected or some such thing and Harry really messes up by bringing him back to his own time/dimension? I predict that unless Chandler turns out to be a bad guy or a turned vamp, he will be taking over Murphy, Thomas, and Michael's role as a major partner of Harry, simply because I cannot see the White Council accepting him back now.
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Yes! Yet another of my predictions comes true unless Jim changes his mind. The first I was right on was years before it happened I predicted based on Dead Beat that Butters would eventually be a Holy Knight.
So the question then becomes, does Harry rescue Chandler and bring him back? Does Chandler remain where he is to continue the good fight? Does Chandler become a major ally of Harry if he does successfully rescue him? Or does Chandler turn out to be infected or some such thing and Harry really messes up by bringing him back to his own time/dimension? I predict that unless Chandler turns out to be a bad guy or a turned vamp, he will be taking over Murphy, Thomas, and Michael's role as a major partner of Harry, simply because I cannot see the White Council accepting him back now.
I'd like that. He needs a peer in wizardry and Elaine is far to busy doing her own thing(and possibly being a secret Black hat) and I've always liked Chandler too. Though, I'm not gonna give up hope he goes back and gets stuffed in DR waiting to come out via the English gentleman. His mode of speech seems so appropriate for the character.
I think Chandler will be pretty instrumental if he and Harry team up, his key power being foresight and Harry having at least SOME ability in it.. imagine if he could tutor Harry in how to channel it into something usable? Spells to look forward, opening to possibilities in time, maybe even an ultra instinct like ability. Harry's archetype runs along the same vien as many characters who are known for their own foresight so he should have some manifestation himself?
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3 heh, makes sense why Gruff gave Murphy so much personal clout.
4 Chandler, or MM Chandler 🤔👀
8*inhales* LIAR! An so ya know if you read this Jim, as a put upon theorist just trying to find acceptance I do understand your desire to conceal the twists of your plot. But I absolutely hate that you did that. I don't forgive that one. I don't believe you for one second and would absolutely pull up to the urinal next to you in violation of the bathroom codex to force a private conversation on the matter.
I AM the Etruscan theory. 😠😫👿 I've been cheated on and felt less betrayed..
For the exact WoJ...
Who created the White Court of vampires and/or have we met them yet?
Who created them? Who asked that? Where are you? Hey man...
They've just been around for a long long time. I actually myself haven't gotten into the origins of that too much. Maybe I should do that... ;D Yeah, would that be okay, guys? Okay.
Yeah, Harry's gonna be hanging out with Lara a lot. So, I suppose they've got to talk about something. He's got to date her once a month. It's a whole thing. The lawyers have got to look at the contracts for the date, and, you know, make sure things are within their prescribed limits and so on. It's a whole deal.
For that, I think the "who created" vs "how they were created" are two different questions that leaves a bit of wiggle room for later, especially tying in the "too much". Having an analogue for the White Court as Drakul for the Black Court is different than not knowing at all where the White Court came from.
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Then there is the issue of true love, unless the protection ends with Murphy's death, Lara cannot touch Harry.
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Then there is the issue of true love, unless the protection ends with Murphy's death, Lara cannot touch Harry.
Depends on which Jim feels adds more drama and twists the blade for readers and Harry , but given that Susan's protection stuck around for a while after they split I would lean more to it being one the things between Lara and Harry that is going to cause turmoil. Personally hope it sticks around for while just to drive the LaraxHarry shippers mad ;D
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Depends on which Jim feels adds more drama and twists the blade for readers and Harry , but given that Susan's protection stuck around for a while after they split I would lean more to it being one the things between Lara and Harry that is going to cause turmoil. Personally hope it sticks around for while just to drive the LaraxHarry shippers mad ;D
While I do hope that Harry and Lara get together, the true love thing will actually become more a problem if the ship sails If it's a one time hookup for consummation of the marriage, it's just an easily(not the same as willingly or willfully) cancelled inconvenience. If they fall for each other they end up with the Thomas/Justine problem and I can't see Harry being as accepting of their "solution".
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For the exact WoJ...
For that, I think the "who created" vs "how they were created" are two different questions that leaves a bit of wiggle room for later, especially tying in the "too much". Having an analogue for the White Court as Drakul for the Black Court is different than not knowing at all where the White Court came from.
ahh, yes well ahem. I must apologize for my outburst. Because that's not really condemning the Etruscan theory or any other outright as was implied.. just another shifty way not to give an answer. Usual stuff.
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ahh, yes well ahem. I must apologize for my outburst. Because that's not really condemning the Etruscan theory or any other outright as was implied.. just another shifty way not to give an answer. Usual stuff.
Yeah, it's mostly a dodge on the question and admitting it isn't all completely mapped out yet. I doubt the White Court's official language being Etruscan is irrelevant to their origins.
I think the confirmation that our Chandler got sent to the Mirror Mirror reality was interesting (though there could be a few other ways of interpreting the answer to that question). Likely Chandler will be an important side character there. My guess is that Chandler will be how Harry figures out what's going on after he's summoned and escapes. As a time magic specialist, he could peer back in time for the MM-verse. This way, he could see how one of Harry's GP choices went the other direction to change everything. After that, they'll both go back to Chicago-prime, and Chandler will return to the WC to start rebuilding Harry's reputation there and be a covert information source if Harry needed it. I think at this point, he's the only one that could convince Ramirez to give Harry another chance (after several books, anyway).
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While I do hope that Harry and Lara get together, the true love thing will actually become more a problem if the ship sails If it's a one time hookup for consummation of the marriage, it's just an easily(not the same as willingly or willfully) cancelled inconvenience. If they fall for each other they end up with the Thomas/Justine problem and I can't see Harry being as accepting of their "solution".
I sincerely hope not! Hadn't thought of it in Thomas/Justine terms, but that just smacks too much of Jim repeating himself, vamp/mortal love match.. Oh and I guess we'd have to include Margaret/Lord Raith in that as well even though I doubt that that was exactly a love match.. Now more than ever I hope the marriage doesn't come off.
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I sincerely hope not! Hadn't thought of it in Thomas/Justine terms, but that just smacks too much of Jim repeating himself, vamp/mortal love match.. Oh and I guess we'd have to include Margaret/Lord Raith in that as well even though I doubt that that was exactly a love match.. Now more than ever I hope the marriage doesn't come off.
Agreed also Im tired of the "vampire with a soul and redemption arch" that has become a major thing since Buffy. Lara is a monster and she knows it long with Harry when she told him that the humans will thank her for becoming livestock
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I think the confirmation that our Chandler got sent to the Mirror Mirror reality was interesting (though there could be a few other ways of interpreting the answer to that question).
Well we knew his specialty was time magic, so him being the talking head in MM to explain things makes sense.
What baffles me is just how easily Drakul opened a Way to an alternate timeline. Like, he just flicked a wrist. I didn't expect him to have THAT kind of power. Opening a Way between two specific places in one reality took a retired god.
And Drakul was like, bye.
Unless he just tossed Chandler into the great big empty, and Chandler's own time magic resulted in his own Way taking him elsewhen.
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Well we knew his specialty was time magic, so him being the talking head in MM to explain things makes sense.
What baffles me is just how easily Drakul opened a Way to an alternate timeline. Like, he just flicked a wrist. I didn't expect him to have THAT kind of power. Opening a Way between two specific places in one reality took a retired god.
And Drakul was like, bye.
Unless he just tossed Chandler into the great big empty, and Chandler's own time magic resulted in his own Way taking him elsewhen.
I guess it is possible Chandler created an illusion and it only appeared like Drakul sent him on his way, but not really. Chandler chickened out and fled the battle.. On the other hand I don't remember it being said that Chandler's specialty was time magic, at least in the books, but there is
a lot of details to forget over the years. Only question I have about that if time travel is forbidden, why is he allowed to study time magic? However if it is true it answers Chandler's warning wink and nod to Harry in Peace Talks, he already knew how it was going to turn out.
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Well we knew his specialty was time magic, so him being the talking head in MM to explain things makes sense.
Can we get a reference for this? It's spoken of frequently, but I don't remember where we learn this. Or is it just a WoJ?
Thanks---B
Oh. And I still think Chandler's a bad guy.
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Can we get a reference for this? It's spoken of frequently, but I don't remember where we learn this. Or is it just a WoJ?
Thanks---B
Oh. And I still think Chandler's a bad guy.
I believe it's a WoJ after Serack compiled the big list of old WoJ's. Chandler is a time specialist that has to be very careful about skirting the Laws in how he practices. Part of him being allowed to do things like guard doors alone is how much he is trusted by the WC.
Well we knew his specialty was time magic, so him being the talking head in MM to explain things makes sense.
What baffles me is just how easily Drakul opened a Way to an alternate timeline. Like, he just flicked a wrist. I didn't expect him to have THAT kind of power. Opening a Way between two specific places in one reality took a retired god.
And Drakul was like, bye.
Unless he just tossed Chandler into the great big empty, and Chandler's own time magic resulted in his own Way taking him elsewhen.
Meh, I mean Drakul is Mab level. Opening the portal to the void between realities seems fine to me power-wise, then Chandler using his own magic to get to somewhere somewhat familiar.
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Meh, I mean Drakul is Mab level. Opening the portal to the void between realities seems fine to me power-wise, then Chandler using his own magic to get to somewhere somewhat familiar.
I can see this, I also think Chandler has been doing some time travel on the side.
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I can see this, I also think Chandler has been doing some time travel on the side.
or he will soon, already has/had? Getting the tense right with TT is impossible lol
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If you can travel to your future, it's predestination and you have no free will.
Travel to the past and it's in past tense since you have, by definition, already done it.
In the multiverse where there is free will, the timeline branches as each choice is made. If you go back and change something then your create a new future, a branch, but you have to remain in the branch you started from because there is another you in that new branch.
These aren't my rules for time travel, they are Jim's, fed to you by Bob and Vadderung. However Bob abuses the truth when he speaks, so be careful.
As usual YMMV.
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If you can travel to your future, it's predestination and you have no free will.
Travel to the past and it's in past tense since you have, by definition, already done it.
In the multiverse where there is free will, the timeline branches as each choice is made. If you go back and change something then your create a new future, a branch, but you have to remain in the branch you started from because there is another you in that new branch.
These aren't my rules for time travel, they are Jim's, fed to you by Bob and Vadderung. However Bob abuses the truth when he speaks, so be careful.
As usual YMMV.
However while it seems clear cut, it isn't. Remember in Cold Days and Harry had to figure out just when the attack on Demonreach was going to happen, except it might have already happened? Merlin made the prison in five different dimensions at the same time.
So a couple of things with Chandler; He's figured that bit out as well, so he warnings to Harry in Peace Talks were Harry's future but Chandler's past, nothing violated..
Or; Back the Cold Days, the Outsiders have no problem with time travel, that is why their attack on Demonreach was so dangerous, from what time or dimension were they going to do it.. Oh man, Chandler is infected with Nemesis, can travel through time and is a trap for Harry.
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I imagine Chandler's power to be a lot like Alex Verus.
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However while it seems clear cut, it isn't. Remember in Cold Days and Harry had to figure out just when the attack on Demonreach was going to happen, except it might have already happened? Merlin made the prison in five different dimensions at the same time.
So a couple of things with Chandler; He's figured that bit out as well, so he warnings to Harry in Peace Talks were Harry's future but Chandler's past, nothing violated..
Or; Back the Cold Days, the Outsiders have no problem with time travel, that is why their attack on Demonreach was so dangerous, from what time or dimension were they going to do it.. Oh man, Chandler is infected with Nemesis, can travel through time and is a trap for Harry.
Follow the logic if you can find any in time travel. They felt the echos of the attack. But the attack never happened. How could they feel the echo of an event that never took place? This is where the multiverse comes in. The attack did happen somewhere. But it is also the reason you can't travel into the future or get any good info. Which future would you travel to and which future would your message come from. YMMV
Poorly supported speculation.(very poorly supported)
Jim's shown you how the Mothers see the future. As a cascade of possibilities. Mab and the other do something very similar in their fight in Battle Ground. The Mothers may be able to see more of the futures than either Mab or Odin because of where they might be in branching time. I think that closer to the Mother's cabin time hasn't split yet and the Mother's can see all the branches, where as Mab can only see the branch she is on.
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Follow the logic if you can find any in time travel. They felt the echos of the attack. But the attack never happened. How could they feel the echo of an event that never took place? This is where the multiverse comes in. The attack did happen somewhere. But it is also the reason you can't travel into the future or get any good info. Which future would you travel to and which future would your message come from. YMMV
Poorly supported speculation.(very poorly supported)
I don't like time travel stories for this reason, all I am saying is this is what Alfred with Bob simplifying presented to Harry in Cold Days.. Harry knew an attack was coming, but it was also possible that it already had happened..
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Yep, we agree. In any case Jim will do something different then either of us suspect. That's why he gets paid the big bucks.
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I imagine Chandler's power to be a lot like Alex Verus.
Yeah I could see that. Another reason why I think either he's working for Drakul, and being thrown through the portal was part of the plan, or he was abducted by Drakul.
I don't see him escaping the situation.
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Yeah I could see that. Another reason why I think either he's working for Drakul, and being thrown through the portal was part of the plan, or he was abducted by Drakul.
I don't see him escaping the situation.
Or Drakul made a huge mistake by doing that,when he tossed Chandler through that portal, he in effect he threw the rabbit into the brier patch.
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Or Drakul made a huge mistake by doing that,when he tossed Chandler through that portal, he in effect he threw the rabbit into the brier patch.
If Chandler were a Michael, or Butters, or someone who's been around a lot, I could see it. As he is right now? I don't see it. I see him either being an enemy in plain sight, or now a slave of Drakul.
Either he got Carlos to assign him to the mission, or Carlos was manipulated into bringing him, in my opinion. I believe Drakul wanted Chandler specifically which is why he wasn't killed like the others. Either way, it wouldn't make much sense for Drakul to get him, only for Chandler to sneak away on his own. If he does escape, it's because Drakul wanted him to (let him go). Remember him mentioning that he sometimes promises people immortality? Hmmmm
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If Chandler were a Michael, or Butters, or someone who's been around a lot, I could see it. As he is right now? I don't see it. I see him either being an enemy in plain sight, or now a slave of Drakul.
Either he got Carlos to assign him to the mission, or Carlos was manipulated into bringing him, in my opinion. I believe Drakul wanted Chandler specifically which is why he wasn't killed like the others. Either way, it wouldn't make much sense for Drakul to get him, only for Chandler to sneak away on his own. If he does escape, it's because Drakul wanted him to (let him go). Remember him mentioning that he sometimes promises people immortality? Hmmmm
Umm....yep.Bad guy.
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Mmm, have we considered, that drakul has the same sort of existence as Mab, in that she can speak to her alternates? This would make him match her power like the Woj says 🤔
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If Chandler were a Michael, or Butters, or someone who's been around a lot, I could see it. As he is right now? I don't see it. I see him either being an enemy in plain sight, or now a slave of Drakul.
Either he got Carlos to assign him to the mission, or Carlos was manipulated into bringing him, in my opinion. I believe Drakul wanted Chandler specifically which is why he wasn't killed like the others. Either way, it wouldn't make much sense for Drakul to get him, only for Chandler to sneak away on his own. If he does escape, it's because Drakul wanted him to (let him go). Remember him mentioning that he sometimes promises people immortality? Hmmmm
As he is right now? What is he right now? Do you mean before he was thrown into another dimension or after? Escape only if Drakul wanted him to? Same could be said for Harry, Carlos, Rivershoulders, Listens.. Do you mean Chandler promising immortality? Or Drakul? Becoming a vamp does that..
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I imagine Chandler's power to be a lot like Alex Verus.
Everybody else in the book sees the future as a set of probabilities, so why not? However going into Mirror Mirror it might be better to ask which Chandler got tossed? Mirror Mirror takes away the certainty about who you're talking to whenever you talk to anyone.
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As he is right now? What is he right now?
I meant that as a character in the story. If he were more of a main character, someone of importance to the story, I could see him getting away somehow. I'm not saying he can't get out alive, but if he does it will be because Dresden saves him. Just my opinion.
Escape only if Drakul wanted him to? Same could be said for Harry, Carlos, Rivershoulders, Listens..
Yes. Which is why I'm saying that he's not escaping from where he was sent.
Do you mean Chandler promising immortality? Or Drakul? Becoming a vamp does that..
Drakul said he sometimes offers people immortality (to see how they react). I don't believe he's talking about turning someone into a walking corpse. I think more like Lord Raith who appears un-killable.
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Yes. Which is why I'm saying that he's not escaping from where he was sent.
What if he can't because he isn't able? Kind of like Harry in Ghost Story, his soul was sent on
a walk about by Uriel and there was no escaping it until Uriel decided that Harry had learned what he needed to learn.
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What if he can't because he isn't able? Kind of like Harry in Ghost Story, his soul was sent on
a walk about by Uriel and there was no escaping it until Uriel decided that Harry had learned what he needed to learn.
Yeah it's difficult to say. It wasn't a portal to the Never Never. Chandler could have escaped. He was sent somewhere else... I'm wondering if he went where the the Corner Hounds come from...
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Yeah it's difficult to say. It wasn't a portal to the Never Never. Chandler could have escaped. He was sent somewhere else... I'm wondering if he went where the the Corner Hounds come from...
Or if he has a similar mind set to Harry, he may think he can be the most effective fighting from where he was sent, or gathering information to help later. Think how valuable he'd be to Harry if Harry does rescue him and he can provide information about Corner Hounds and such. Stuff the White Council doesn't have access to, or if they do, are not willing to pass on to Harry.
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Dollars to donuts that the White Council is tempted to behead Chandler if he comes back from an alternate reality for breaking Laws.
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Dollars to donuts that the White Council is tempted to behead Chandler if he comes back from an alternate reality for breaking Laws.
That is incentive enough not to come back. He may not have been threatened, but Chandler as a Warden knows how they think, especially under Langtry, chop first, ask questions later..
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It maybe just a thread, but the ease at which drakul flung him basically beyond reality gives another stitch to the idea each of the seven vampire courts comes from a violation/conjunction of one the laws of magic 🤔
Blamps already having to do with reaching beyond the outer gates imo. To give the original the ability to do so with ease...
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It maybe just a thread, but the ease at which drakul flung him basically beyond reality gives another stitch to the idea each of the seven vampire courts comes from a violation/conjunction of one the laws of magic 🤔
Blamps already having to do with reaching beyond the outer gates imo. To give the original the ability to do so with ease...
Wait...there are Seven? I thought 4--White Court, Black Court, Red Court (Presumed extinct except for the Eebs?), and Jade (little known and probably never to be seen.)
What did I miss?
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Wait...there are Seven? I thought 4--White Court, Black Court, Red Court (Presumed extinct except for the Eebs?), and Jade (little known and probably never to be seen.)
What did I miss?
WoJ says there are three others, but they're little more than mosquitoes.
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WoJ says there are three others, but they're little more than mosquitoes.
Thanks!
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WoJ says there are three others, but they're little more than mosquitoes.
Thanks!
I still like the idea that the seven vampire courts are from the seven continents.
- Red Court - North America
- White Court - Europe
- Jade Court - Asia
- Black Court - Possibly Africa via Ancient Egypt and Sekhmet
- Yara-ma-yha-who? - Australia
- Asema? - South America
- White Walker? :P - Antarctica
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Black Court - Possibly Africa via Ancient Egypt and Sekhmet
The impression I get of the Black Court is their origin is Eastern Europe, of the vamps of the Dresdenverse we've met so far they seem to fit the classic image of the undead as described in
Dracula, which was based on even more ancient tales. The Red Court as well, since they do seem to become bat like after they are turned.
It's the White Court with their Hunger Demon and the feeding upon emotions that runs against type. What also seems to set them apart from the other vamps is they are born not made.. In other words you cannot be turned into White Court vamp if fed upon, nor I think brought back to life as one if you are fed upon until death. Their origins seem totally alien, going back to the feeling Harry got from Lord Raith when he tried to kill him back in Blood Rites, I wonder if their origin is the Outside?
Has Jim ever described how the members of the Jade Court act or what they feed upon?
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Here's the WOJ on two of the others.
"The Malaysian version of the vampire is like some enormous hair mosquito that attacks infants in their coffins, and is a sort of spiritual hit man for hostile gods, delivering death and disease at their instruction."
"Africa has vampires, though they are often identified with snakes, "
Seventh is impossible to find, myth among myths.
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There might also be vampire types that don't have Courts. I could see feral-type creatures not having the numbers, organization, or mindset for such things.
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There might also be vampire types that don't have Courts. I could see feral-type creatures not having the numbers, organization, or mindset for such things.
Leanansidhe was originally fairly vampiric muse. Makes artist go crazy and feeds on their blood.
Redcap as well in the OG stories.
Ghouls could be considered somewhat vampiric.
Has Jim ever described how the members of the Jade Court act or what they feed upon?
Recent WOJ they feed on Breath.
Just that their extreme isolationist in the Yangtze Valley River. They're not sure whether this "Chin" thing is gonna work out letter alone 'China'.
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There might also be vampire types that don't have Courts. I could see feral-type creatures not having the numbers, organization, or mindset for such things.
Or "vampire like" in behavior but not really vampires in the classic sense.
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My opinion on Vampires.
Their power is directly connected to how they feed, and how close they are to humans/mortality. I believe that they feed on Spirit, which isn't the same as a persons soul. I believe when it comes to humans they are made up of three parts. Flesh, spirit, and soul. The Flesh is the anchor to reality, and the spirit is the tether to the soul which is completely outside reality. When the spirit is damaged, or weakened enough, the tether is lost, and the Soul travels on. If the Flesh/Body is rendered dead, the Soul has no anchor to Earth, and the spirit/tether is left behind as a shade/ghost.
I believe the Vampires use the body as a vector to the spirit to feed on.
Black Court: Most powerful. Feed on flesh/death. They kill a mortal whenever they feed, consuming all of the spirit. Completely inhuman
Red Court: Second to the Black Court. Feed on blood. Usually not lethal but very damaging to the spirit. Connected to humans, slightly
White Court: Weaker than Black & Red Courts. Feed on emotions through pleasure/fear/pain ect. Not too invasive when feeding most of the time. Much closer to humanity. I will note that I believe Lord Raith, at peak power may have been approaching a level that would push him closer to the Red Court. His kiss of death allowed him to devour an entire spirit, which I think is why he was so feared amongst his kind.
Jade Court: Feeds on breath. Not much is known about them. My opinion is they are similar to the White Court in power and connection to humanity. Slightly less human, or slightly more human.
I think the other Courts are all weaker. The Black Court, and Red Courts really are the strongest in that their way of feeding is most damaging to both the body, and spirit, and also the most efficient. Any other court that exists, I think, would be no stronger than the White Court, and their power level is determined by organization, reproduction, and collective cooperation.
I think that between the Black Court's personal power, and the Red & White Courts global footprint, there isn't much room for the weaker Courts. The White's and Red's sucked up all the power, and influence, and it's unlikely they would share it. So I think any other Court really doesn't have enough personal power, or ability to gain influence to matter much outside of maybe a small territory (like the Jade Court).
The Red Court is gone, but I think that power vacuum is being filled too quickly for the weaker courts to take advantage of it.
Other Courts feeding ideas:
Blue Court: Feeds on sleep. If they feed too heavily, the person dies in their sleep, and is seen as a natural death. Some people become aware they are being fed on, and experience sleep paralysis, and the feeling someone is on top of them. Science has explained this, but maybe not correctly :). Not terribly effective in combat because they require you to be asleep to be effective. If you are asleep, and they find you, you're in deep trouble. A side effect of their feeding is you wake up feeling exhausted, and making you more vulnerable to their feeding the next time you sleep.
Gray Court: Feeds on illness. They like to hover around hospitals, and nursing homes. They need the person to be weakened by illness, and then use that illness as a vector to the spirit. They prey on the weak, and suffering, making them hated by all mortals who know of them. They need to stay low because Wizards take great joy in eliminating them, and they aren't terribly powerful, weaker than the White Court, and not very effective against healthy people.
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[1]If you go back and change something then your create a new future, a branch, [2]but you have to remain in the branch you started from because there is another you in that new branch.
[1]Time travel in the Dresden Files might not work that way. Choice makes new universes. Time travel that changes something might destroy that universe or rewrite it. It could create a new branch. It might create temporary deviations that eventually fold back in due to the conservation of history.
[2]Why do you have to go back to your branch? What if you kill the other you or are willing/capable to live in the same universe?
Follow the logic if you can find any in time travel. They felt the echos of the attack. But the attack never happened. How could they feel the echo of an event that never took place? This is where the multiverse comes in. The attack did happen somewhere.
It depends on whether the echos are of an attack (i.e., what we saw the Lady's doing) or of a successful attack (i.e., Demonreach exploding). The text isn't entirely clear which one it's referring to.
Yep, we agree. In any case Jim will do something different then either of us suspect. That's why he gets paid the big bucks.
I don't know (if that's why he gets paid the big bucks). A lot of the people who get paid big bucks write some painfully predictable stuff.
Dollars to donuts that the White Council is tempted to behead Chandler if he comes back from an alternate reality for breaking Laws.
Which one?
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My view of the vampire courts has always been colored by the specificity of 7 courts with three really fleshed out ones. I don't think 7 was a redundant number. I've tried to tie it to both the 7 deadly sins and 7 laws, which Might be loosely tied together as well.
BC- wrath they kill to feed. Reaching beyond the outer gates, they aren't what they were, and have apparent ties to necromancy and outsiders (depending on how you take lash's final conversation).
The heart, the source of passion (i.e. wrath) also happens to be their weakness..
Reds- gluttony, they devolve into their hunger, relying on the host's willpower.. weakness is stomach, gluttony? Transmogrification of others.
White's- lust, their demon can't control itself, relying on the host's willpower.. they could fall under invading minds or enthrallment. They've shown capable of both. Weakness to love.
Jade seems connected to pride, offhand. And most likely to me fall under necromancy, due to the origins of the actual jumping"zombie" myth it's loosely based on.
The big three, I wonder if aren't connected to the love/faith/hope and fear/despair/wrath triumvirates. Mostly because it would explain why they were more fleshed out in the story, they have more purpose.
An yea... I do silently look at the jade court under those circumstances and wonder about that sometimes wagged about 4th sword connection..
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Which one?
The time travel one.
Let's face it. Chandler showing up back in his original reality saying he accidentally ended up in a parallel universe and was stuck there for a year until he hitched a ride back with Harry... That's not going to go over well.
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The time travel one.
Let's face it. Chandler showing up back in his original reality saying he accidentally ended up in a parallel universe and was stuck there for a year until he hitched a ride back with Harry... That's not going to go over well.
Yeah, rather like being "dead" for almost a year and coming back.. ::)
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[1]Time travel in the Dresden Files might not work that way. Choice makes new universes. Time travel that changes something might destroy that universe or rewrite it. It could create a new branch. It might create temporary deviations that eventually fold back in due to the conservation of history.
[2]Why do you have to go back to your branch? What if you kill the other you or are willing/capable to live in the same universe?
Here the problem. Harry is aged at whatever he was when he went back. The older he is when he travels the worse the discrepancy. So present Harry couldn't go back and substitute himself say before Blood Rites before his his hand is burned. Or in Proven Guilty where Lash is still on board. Or where Molly exists. And he has the mantle. He isn't that younger Harry and can't be.
Killing other versions of himself appears to be the plot device of Mirror Mirror.
Is there a workable plot where Harry exists concurrently in a universe with a younger version of himself? I suggest that there is and that it is the timeline we are in. But everybody thinks I'm crazy and I probably am. :PIt depends on whether the echos are of an attack (i.e., what we saw the Lady's doing) or of a successful attack (i.e., Demonreach exploding). The text isn't entirely clear which one it's referring to.
I don't know (if that's why he gets paid the big bucks). A lot of the people who get paid big bucks write some painfully predictable stuff.
It doesn't matter in the multiverse. All you have to say is that somewhere the attack succeeded and the echos came from there.
He gets the big bucks which I define against what I make from writing which is zero. So any bucks he makes are bigger bucks as compared to me. ;)
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Here the problem. Harry is aged at whatever he was when he went back. The older he is when he travels the worse the discrepancy. So present Harry couldn't go back and substitute himself say before Blood Rites before his his hand is burned. Or in Proven Guilty where Lash is still on board. Or where Molly exists. And he has the mantle. He isn't that younger Harry and can't be.
Or those things didn't happen, what if it is important that they did happen? If he makes them happen they may not have the same results that they did in the current timeline.. And may I point out not all the results of the negative things that happened to Harry in the current timeline were negative. Example, yes, he burned his hand severely in this timeline, but he also learned from it, that his shields had an important weakness that he was able to fix. He may be able to set it up so he gets burned again in the past, but can it be guaranteed that the outcome would be the same? The answer is, no.
Killing other versions of himself appears to be the plot device of Mirror Mirror.
Which brings us back to the original Trek episode, or rather a couple of them... Yes, in the original Mirror Mirror, Kirk tells the Spock of the other dimension/universe to assassinate the evil Kirk of that universe/dimension in typical Kirk fashion breaking the rules trusting that his judgement is right, but what if it isn't? Huge plot hole. In the other version again because of a transporter accident Kirk is split into his to personalities one overtly mild and moral, the other rather ruthless and aggressive, okay let's get rid of the "evil" or aggressive and ruthless Kirk.. Problem, to be a strong leader Kirk needs both sides of himself to be the leader he is, what is more without one side or the other he begins to die.
That is where I think the time travel episode, "The City on the Edge of Forever," is the best.. The lesson there was trying to do a good thing may be the worst thing for the future. McCoy saved Edith, good thing, she did a lot of good things for the world.. Problem, those good things prevented the world from stopping an evil in time, hence no human race, at least with the future of the Trek timeline.. So Kirk and Spock go back to restore the tragedy of the past, Edith, ahead of her time in many ways, had to die for mankind to progress.
Yesterday's Enterprise was another excellent time travel episode, only to be mucked up in later episodes by writers who don't know enough to leave perfect alone... Working that one out can make your head burst..
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My opinion on Vampires.
Their power is directly connected to how they feed, and how close they are to humans/mortality. I believe that they feed on Spirit, which isn't the same as a persons soul. I believe when it comes to humans they are made up of three parts. Flesh, spirit, and soul. The Flesh is the anchor to reality, and the spirit is the tether to the soul which is completely outside reality. When the spirit is damaged, or weakened enough, the tether is lost, and the Soul travels on. If the Flesh/Body is rendered dead, the Soul has no anchor to Earth, and the spirit/tether is left behind as a shade/ghost.
I believe the Vampires use the body as a vector to the spirit to feed on.
Black Court: Most powerful. Feed on flesh/death. They kill a mortal whenever they feed, consuming all of the spirit. Completely inhuman
Red Court: Second to the Black Court. Feed on blood. Usually not lethal but very damaging to the spirit. Connected to humans, slightly
White Court: Weaker than Black & Red Courts. Feed on emotions through pleasure/fear/pain ect. Not too invasive when feeding most of the time. Much closer to humanity. I will note that I believe Lord Raith, at peak power may have been approaching a level that would push him closer to the Red Court. His kiss of death allowed him to devour an entire spirit, which I think is why he was so feared amongst his kind.
Jade Court: Feeds on breath. Not much is known about them. My opinion is they are similar to the White Court in power and connection to humanity. Slightly less human, or slightly more human.
I think the other Courts are all weaker. The Black Court, and Red Courts really are the strongest in that their way of feeding is most damaging to both the body, and spirit, and also the most efficient. Any other court that exists, I think, would be no stronger than the White Court, and their power level is determined by organization, reproduction, and collective cooperation.
I think that between the Black Court's personal power, and the Red & White Courts global footprint, there isn't much room for the weaker Courts. The White's and Red's sucked up all the power, and influence, and it's unlikely they would share it. So I think any other Court really doesn't have enough personal power, or ability to gain influence to matter much outside of maybe a small territory (like the Jade Court).
The Red Court is gone, but I think that power vacuum is being filled too quickly for the weaker courts to take advantage of it.
Other Courts feeding ideas:
Blue Court: Feeds on sleep. If they feed too heavily, the person dies in their sleep, and is seen as a natural death. Some people become aware they are being fed on, and experience sleep paralysis, and the feeling someone is on top of them. Science has explained this, but maybe not correctly :). Not terribly effective in combat because they require you to be asleep to be effective. If you are asleep, and they find you, you're in deep trouble. A side effect of their feeding is you wake up feeling exhausted, and making you more vulnerable to their feeding the next time you sleep.
Gray Court: Feeds on illness. They like to hover around hospitals, and nursing homes. They need the person to be weakened by illness, and then use that illness as a vector to the spirit. They prey on the weak, and suffering, making them hated by all mortals who know of them. They need to stay low because Wizards take great joy in eliminating them, and they aren't terribly powerful, weaker than the White Court, and not very effective against healthy people.
Yeah, I agree with the ideas here. Black Court is the most powerful because every time they feed, they consume a death curse equivalent amount of magical energy. Red is next most powerful since they consume blood which is the next best thing. White is the weakest major vampire since they're focused on the "lighter" diet of emotional energy.
I hadn't heard the Breath WoJ for the Jade Court, but my initial impression is that it's probably somewhere between whampires and rampires, likely closest to whampires.
Leanansidhe was originally fairly vampiric muse. Makes artist go crazy and feeds on their blood.
Redcap as well in the OG stories.
Ghouls could be considered somewhat vampiric.
Recent WOJ they feed on Breath.
Just that their extreme isolationist in the Yangtze Valley River. They're not sure whether this "Chin" thing is gonna work out letter alone 'China'.
My working theory to distinguish vampires from other anthro-phages (e.g. fear-eating fey fetches) is that all vampires started as humans that contracted some kind of spiritual parasite (of varying styles and power).
The Black Court kills its host, and it allows a "vampire" spawn to come in and control the human corpse. The Red Court infects other humans with a bite, and upon killing another creature the "vampire" emerges and transforms the living host. White Court vampirism is born, but they most clearly have the Hunger demon parasite warring against the living human host. Their kind of vampirism is transferred from conception.
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We have to presume Jim is watching “What We Do In The Shadows” if so then one of the Courts Minor is likely an off-shoot of the White, energy Vampires which feed off boredom and frustration.
The ‘Beige’ Court.
Like the White Court but without their ethereal beauty, style and elan, and because of their very nature (which is very off-putting) their numbers are very small as getting any human to breed with them is nigh impossible when their idea of sexy lingerie is a beige cardigan with wooden buttons and crumpled up tissues and butterscotch candy in the pockets.
One would imagine their very presence would inhibit normal White Court function making them outcast.
I note that Jim isn’t settled on the title “Twelve Months” there no pun in it, and no real tie in with the other Titles. A quick look at synonyms for “year” in Merriam-Webster includes “spell”. The year includes his courtship of Lara under obligation to Mab through the Winter Knight Mantle and is pushing Harry towards the events of Mirror Mirror in this unexpected but very welcome additional volume. “bound” represents both that year obligation AND the journey that Harry is taking to Mirror Mirror and his abduction by alt Harry.
I therefore suggest as an alternate title to “Twelve Months” “SPELL BOUND”
Much more in keeping with the themes of the series, Harry’s current predicament, the naming convention and love of wordplay. Besides you know Lara has some very special handcuffs ready for her Wedding Knight.
Oh yes, and Harry’s summoning by Alt Harry should be in the wedding ceremony itself, when Harry says “ I Harry..... “ and he hears his true name spoken by someone else in his voice instead of the fake version he was going to use for ceremony. The perfect call back to Storm Front.
“My name is Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden. Conjure by it at your own risk.” This is before the Grave Peril split, so Alt Harry has had fair warning.
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We have to presume Jim is watching “What We Do In The Shadows” if so then one of the Courts Minor is likely an off-shoot of the White, energy Vampires which feed off boredom and frustration.
The ‘Beige’ Court.
Like the White Court but without their ethereal beauty, style and elan, and because of their very nature (which is very off-putting) their numbers are very small as getting any human to breed with them is nigh impossible when their idea of sexy lingerie is a beige cardigan with wooden buttons and crumpled up tissues and butterscotch candy in the pockets.
One would imagine their very presence would inhibit normal White Court function making them outcast.
Sounds like a Boyle family reunion.
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I note that Jim isn’t settled on the title “Twelve Months” there no pun in it, and no real tie in with the other Titles. A quick look at synonyms for “year” in Merriam-Webster includes “spell”. The year includes his courtship of Lara under obligation to Mab through the Winter Knight Mantle and is pushing Harry towards the events of Mirror Mirror in this unexpected but very welcome additional volume. “bound” represents both that year obligation AND the journey that Harry is taking to Mirror Mirror and his abduction by alt Harry.
I therefore suggest as an alternate title to “Twelve Months” “SPELL BOUND”
Much more in keeping with the themes of the series, Harry’s current predicament, the naming convention and love of wordplay. Besides you know Lara has some very special handcuffs ready for her Wedding Knight.
Oh yes, and Harry’s summoning by Alt Harry should be in the wedding ceremony itself, when Harry says “ I Harry..... “ and he hears his true name spoken by someone else in his voice instead of the fake version he was going to use for ceremony. The perfect call back to Storm Front.
“My name is Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden. Conjure by it at your own risk.” This is before the Grave Peril split, so Alt Harry has had fair warning.
I think it depends on the plot. If it's all about Harry's mental state and getting Beside out of Justine, I'd opt for HEAD CASE.
If it's him getting therapy while helping Justine and helping Thomas and working things out with Eb and getting aquatinted with his pending life with the White Court, I could see FAMILY MATTER being apt.
If it's mostly about engagement, wedding, and faction issues, I think COURTING DISASTER would be perfect. ;D
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If it's mostly about engagement, wedding, and faction issues, I think COURTING DISASTER would be perfect.
You and me both! ;) I really do not see any good that will come out of a union between Harry and Lara, and that may be what Mab is counting on.