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Title: Sir Marcone: Who Know's?
Post by: Con on March 29, 2021, 01:54:24 AM
So who knows Marcone has Namshiel other than Harry.

Mab suspects.

Did Hendricks know? Kind of obsolete at this point.

If Gard knows which I doubt than Vadderung would know as well.

Mrs Demeter?

If it was Namshiel at Arctis Tor then it's possible that Marcone might Time Travel along with Harry to those events.
Title: Re: Sir Marcone: Who Know's?
Post by: groinkick on March 29, 2021, 04:10:00 AM
Mab does know, she confirmed that already.  I have to believe that Vadderung does too.  I really wouldn't be surprised if a lot of others know, and Dresden was basically the last to find out.  Heck Molly probably knew but couldn't give up that information without trade.

That would be interesting!  Time disturbances were detected by Dresden weren't they?  Maybe it was Marcone. 
Title: Re: Sir Marcone: Who Know's?
Post by: TheCuriousFan on March 29, 2021, 04:45:27 AM
Mab does know, she confirmed that already.  I have to believe that Vadderung does too.  I really wouldn't be surprised if a lot of others know, and Dresden was basically the last to find out. Heck Molly probably knew but couldn't give up that information without trade.

That would be interesting!  Time disturbances were detected by Dresden weren't they?  Maybe it was Marcone.
He was the one who told Mab and the rest of the meeting about it.
Title: Re: Sir Marcone: Who Know's?
Post by: groinkick on March 29, 2021, 04:50:36 AM
He was the one who told Mab and the rest of the meeting about it.

I wouldn't be surprised if they knew already.  I mean nobody gives up information freely in the Dresdenverse.  Not even Harry...  He didn't tell Michael or anyone about Nicodemus's weakness for example.

But maybe Marcone could keep it hidden from all of them.
Title: Re: Sir Marcone: Who Know's?
Post by: TheCuriousFan on March 29, 2021, 05:21:34 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if they knew already.  I mean nobody gives up information freely in the Dresdenverse.  Not even Harry...  He didn't tell Michael or anyone about Nicodemus's weakness for example.

But maybe Marcone could keep it hidden from all of them.
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I took a breath, enjoying the moment.

“Prove it,” I said. “Sir Baron.”

Marcone eyed me. Then glanced past me to the Queen of Air and Darkness.

Mab’s eyebrow went up so far that it threatened the line of her skull. Then she said, as if to Marcone, “Much is explained.”
You think this was feigned then?
Title: Re: Sir Marcone: Who Know's?
Post by: groinkick on April 01, 2021, 05:41:04 AM
You think this was feigned then?

I hadn't considered it that way.  I can see what you mean.  Still why would Mab jump to the conclusion that Marcone was in possession of a Coin from that conversation?
Title: Re: Sir Marcone: Who Know's?
Post by: vincentric on April 01, 2021, 01:04:32 PM
I hadn't considered it that way.  I can see what you mean.  Still why would Mab jump to the conclusion that Marcone was in possession of a Coin from that conversation?

Mab knows all about the events of SF, it's what got her so angry at Nic. She may not have guessed that Marcone had accepted a Coin because he's played it slow and quiet but that would be the obvious power-up available to him for becoming a magical player.
Title: Re: Sir Marcone: Who Know's?
Post by: TheCuriousFan on April 01, 2021, 01:53:15 PM
I hadn't considered it that way.  I can see what you mean.  Still why would Mab jump to the conclusion that Marcone was in possession of a Coin from that conversation?
There's not many types of knight that Marcone could become and Harry told everyone that Marcone had become some kind of knight by calling Marcone sir and emphasising it.
Title: Re: Sir Marcone: Who Know's?
Post by: groinkick on April 01, 2021, 07:43:30 PM
There's not many types of knight that Marcone could become and Harry told everyone that Marcone had become some kind of knight by calling Marcone sir and emphasising it.

Doh!  I didn't even pick up on that.
Title: Re: Sir Marcone: Who Know's?
Post by: forumghost on April 01, 2021, 09:49:04 PM
Yeah I'd imagine that most everyone at that meeting picked up on that.

Subtlety is not an art form that Harry has put much effort into mastering.
Title: Re: Sir Marcone: Who Know's?
Post by: heidi_storage on April 01, 2021, 10:07:35 PM
Yeah I'd imagine that most everyone at that meeting picked up on that.

Subtlety is not an art form that Harry has put much effort into mastering.
Harry has more than once modified Tolkien on wizards.
Title: Re: Sir Marcone: Who Know's?
Post by: TheCuriousFan on April 02, 2021, 03:15:25 AM
Yeah I'd imagine that most everyone at that meeting picked up on that.

Subtlety is not an art form that Harry has put much effort into mastering.
Also he was trying for a really blatant hint to everyone else, I'm almost surprised he didn't just tell Marcone to get Namshiel to prove he has the eye in front of everybody.
Title: Re: Sir Marcone: Who Know's?
Post by: Con on April 02, 2021, 08:51:36 AM
I mean tbf some powerful beings tend to be obtuse about things that aren't in their purview. Erlking needed Kringle to translate during Cold Days and was confused by Margaret le Fey's necklace and didn't make the connection of Dresden being her son.

The svartalves have an almost autistic social interactions.

Even Mab struggles to keep up with the pop culture references, and thats with her daughter playing interpreter.
Title: Re: Sir Marcone: Who Know's?
Post by: TheCuriousFan on April 02, 2021, 11:46:20 AM
I mean tbf some powerful beings tend to be obtuse about things that aren't in their purview. Erlking needed Kringle to translate during Cold Days and was confused by Margaret le Fey's necklace and didn't make the connection of Dresden being her son.

The svartalves have an almost autistic social interactions.

Even Mab struggles to keep up with the pop culture references, and thats with her daughter playing interpreter.
To be fair humans can't keep up with all of those.
Title: Re: Sir Marcone: Who Know's?
Post by: groinkick on April 02, 2021, 11:48:09 PM
I mean tbf some powerful beings tend to be obtuse about things that aren't in their purview. Erlking needed Kringle to translate during Cold Days and was confused by Margaret le Fey's necklace and didn't make the connection of Dresden being her son.

The svartalves have an almost autistic social interactions.

Even Mab struggles to keep up with the pop culture references, and thats with her daughter playing interpreter.

I just thought that Mab could sense the power around Marcone much like Dresden can sense magic.  She knows Marcone is vanilla, and I thought she could sense a Fallen on him.  I guess I underestimated the Fallen's ability to hide from someone like Mab.
Title: Re: Sir Marcone: Who Know's?
Post by: Dina on April 09, 2021, 05:04:36 PM
I wonder who Harry told. Specifically, did he tell the KotC? (former and current ones). Will and the Alphas? Will he tell Lara?
I imagine he won't be telling the White Council, because he is not in speaking terms  :)
Title: Re: Sir Marcone: Who Know's?
Post by: forumghost on April 09, 2021, 05:36:07 PM
I wonder who Harry told. Specifically, did he tell the KotC? (former and current ones). Will and the Alphas? Will he tell Lara?
I imagine he won't be telling the White Council, because he is not in speaking terms  :)

Yeah I can see exactly how that would go:

"So you mean that Mobster that YOU helped become a member of the accords was actually a Denarian? We KNEW you were one of the monsters."
Title: Re: Sir Marcone: Who Know's?
Post by: groinkick on April 10, 2021, 03:46:21 AM
I wonder who Harry told. Specifically, did he tell the KotC? (former and current ones). Will and the Alphas? Will he tell Lara?
I imagine he won't be telling the White Council, because he is not in speaking terms  :)

Hmm.  Maybe, maybe not.  On one hand he'd want them to know, on the other them knowing might result in their deaths.  Marcone with all his mortal resources + the power of a Fallen who has made him a powerful wizard would pretty much making killing the Alpha's no problem.  I'm guessing that he will let them know, and tell them to stay out of Marcone's way.
Title: Re: Sir Marcone: Who Know's?
Post by: TheCuriousFan on April 10, 2021, 04:40:07 AM
Hmm.  Maybe, maybe not.  On one hand he'd want them to know, on the other them knowing might result in their deaths.  Marcone with all his mortal resources + the power of a Fallen who has made him a powerful wizard would pretty much making killing the Alpha's no problem.  I'm guessing that he will let them know, and tell them to stay out of Marcone's way.
Aftermath shows he wouldn't need magic to wipe out the Alphas unless they came at him 4v1 or something like that.
Title: Re: Sir Marcone: Who Know's?
Post by: groinkick on April 10, 2021, 04:44:12 AM
Aftermath shows he wouldn't need magic to wipe out the Alphas unless they came at him 4v1 or something like that.

Yeah.  The Coin would be way overkill. 
Title: Re: Sir Marcone: Who Know's?
Post by: Dina on April 10, 2021, 08:19:17 AM
I think the main reasons Marcone has not killed the Alphas yet is that they don't mess with him directly and that he knows Harry would retaliate. Marcone is not coward but he is not crazy either, he wouldn't alienate Harry just because. He knows that Harry is the most dangerous when he is in protective mood.

None of those things would change if Marcone knew they know about his status. So I don't see Harry telling them as endangering them in any way. On the contrary, it helps them know what they are dealing with. The Alphas are not stupid either, they won't mess with Marcone without a damn good reason.