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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: groinkick on February 16, 2021, 07:11:33 PM
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Ok I thought of this yesterday. It would call into question the morality of balancing the scales though. What if one of the Fallen (in the case Marcone's Coin), caused Murphy to die? Harry's partner... Then to balance the scales Marcone's right hand, Hendricks fell in battle.
I think it's unlikely but just thinking about it.
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Ok I thought of this yesterday. It would call into question the morality of balancing the scales though. What if one of the Fallen (in the case Marcone's Coin), caused Murphy to die? Harry's partner... Then to balance the scales Marcone's right hand, Hendricks fell in battle.
I think it's unlikely but just thinking about it.
Yeah, it think that one is more of a coincidence than the balance of scales.
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That's evil for evil, as in two wrongs don't make a right. Not balancing the scales.
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Agreed with the others, and I'll also point out that of all the Fallen, Thorned Namshiel appears to be the most laid back of the thirty. He can destroy you or have a cup of tea with equal preference, he doesn't seem to hold grudges very deeply, and based on our few interactions with him he likes the direct approach to payback.
Even if it wasn't a coincidence and there was Fallen influence in Murphey's death, I find it extremely unlikely that Namshiel's hand would have been behind it.
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Agreed with the others, and I'll also point out that of all the Fallen, Thorned Namshiel appears to be the most laid back of the thirty. He can destroy you or have a cup of tea with equal preference, he doesn't seem to hold grudges very deeply, and based on our few interactions with him he likes the direct approach to payback.
Even if it wasn't a coincidence and there was Fallen influence in Murphey's death, I find it extremely unlikely that Namshiel's hand would have been behind it.
Less lazy and more far more interested in magical experiments than he is in tormenting people most of the time.
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He led the attack on Arctis Tor, he designed the circle that held the Archive and he was working for or with the Circle. Laid back seems a strange choice of words for a Fallen with that background.
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He led the attack on Arctis Tor, he designed the circle that held the Archive and he was working for or with the Circle. Laid back seems a strange choice of words for a Fallen with that background.
Agreed. He also expressed more hatred for humanity than any other Fallen we've seen.
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He led the attack on Arctis Tor, he designed the circle that held the Archive and he was working for or with the Circle. Laid back seems a strange choice of words for a Fallen with that background.
Agreed. He also expressed more hatred for humanity than any other Fallen we've seen.
I don't remember the expression of hatred, but I will point out that the other things he did were at Nicodemus' instruction and requests. Namshiel is a potent magic user, it makes sense to give him those tasks.
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There is one scale here that seems balanced. Both hendricks and Murphy were who held back the worst part of their partner. Now neither have a moral rock to keep them grounded.
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I don't remember the expression of hatred, but I will point out that the other things he did were at Nicodemus' instruction and requests. Namshiel is a potent magic user, it makes sense to give him those tasks.
So evil is okay if you're only following orders? That doesn't change anything about the attack on Arctis Tor, which was almost certainly at the direction of the Circle(Black Council, Nemesis, et al).
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So evil is okay if you're only following orders? That doesn't change anything about the attack on Arctis Tor, which was almost certainly at the direction of the Circle(Black Council, Nemesis, et al).
My point is that it wasn't something Namshiel did on his own initiative, he was instructed to lead that assault. Therefore my description of him being more laid back than the other Fallen is still valid.
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My point is that it wasn't something Namshiel did on his own initiative, he was instructed to lead that assault. Therefore my description of him being more laid back than the other Fallen is still valid.
If he was ordered to do it, I don't think it was by Nicodemus. Freaking out when Harry mentioned Denarian involvement in the attack gained him nothing, and he shows every indication of sincerely seeing the Outsiders as just as much of an enemy as he does Heaven.
It's credible that Tessa put him up to it, though, if not outright framed him as the Denarian involved. I'm pretty sure some combination of Tessa and/or Rosanna and/or Namshiel are aligned with the Circle and the Outsiders, but there's a decent possibility the actual 'Judas(es)' among the Denarians might be setting the others in their little group up to take the fall from Mab and/or Nic.
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He didn't end up in a Silver Denarius because he's laid back. Ted Bundy was a fun date, until he wasn't. The outward appearance has nothing to do with what he is.
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He didn't end up in a Silver Denarius because he's laid back.
Not in an absolute sense, but for a Fallen, he kind of is (https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,22558.msg2338525.html#msg2338525):
But Thorned Namshiel, he's a terrible demon, not all of the fallen are equal with everybody else and Thorned Namshiel is so busy with his nerdy research that he barely has time to torture anyone.
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Don't take this in the wrong way but Jim is full of shit ;). He's dissembling. There are thousands of shades of red, but they are all still red. If he's a demon, it is what it is. However when you read it, it's your book, so think about it in whatever fashion that makes it a good story for you. I personally would terminate him with extreme prejudice. Marcone right along with him. >:(.
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Don't take this in the wrong way but Jim is full of shit ;). He's dissembling. There are thousands of shades of red, but they are all still red. If he's a demon, it is what it is. However when you read it, it's your book, so think about it in whatever fashion that makes it a good story for you. I personally would terminate him with extreme prejudice. Marcone right along with him. >:(.
Absolutely. Namshiel is a Denarius Fallen Angel for a reason, I'm not even remotely denying that fact here.
My entire point was that he was the most laid back OF THE DENARIANS, and therefore wouldn't have taken any initiative in hunting down Murph - whether it be to use her as a roundabout way to hurt Dresden, or because of some snub she did to him "offscreen". He's still an evil being who should be put in the holiest and most secure of prisons until a way to destroy him for good is found, it was never my intent to claim otherwise, but even if Murph had been killed through Fallen influence Namshiel wouldn't have been the culprit.
Therefore that reasoning behind why Hendrix could have died as a scale-balancing for Murph's death, is invalid.
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but even if Murph had been killed through Fallen influence Namshiel wouldn't have been the culprit.
Lasciel has motive, though. If the Genoskwa got out, he might have salvaged her coin on the way. She could have influenced Rudolph to fire without meaning to with another rule-breaking whisper.
Doesn't explain Hendricks, though. I think he was just a normal casualty of a chaotic war.
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Lasciel has motive, though. If the Genoskwa got out, he might have salvaged her coin on the way. She could have influenced Rudolph to fire without meaning to with another rule-breaking whisper.
Doesn't explain Hendricks, though. I think he was just a normal casualty of a chaotic war.
Yeah, that is the problem with the "balance" theory.
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Or it was Vadderung. He had a habit of gathering warriors at their height before they could decline.
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Or it was Vadderung. He had a habit of gathering warriors at their height before they could decline.
I'm with you. That sounds very Odin-esque to me. Plus it removes a distraction for Gard, and helps keep the fact that Marcone is a Denarian under wraps (which Vadderung may find useful).
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I don't remember the expression of hatred, but I will point out that the other things he did were at Nicodemus' instruction and requests. Namshiel is a potent magic user, it makes sense to give him those tasks.
It's in SmF on Demonreach. Chapter 43.
Insufferable, arrogant little monkey," Namshiel hissed. "Playing with the fires of creation. Binding your soul to it, as if you were one of us. How dare you so presume. How dare you wield soulfire against me. I, who was there when your pathetic kind was hewn from the muck."
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Thorned Namshiel was ranting about something. Practically foaming at the mouth."
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It's in SmF on Demonreach. Chapter 43.
Yeah, well, I don't think "mere mortals" are supposed to have Soul Fire, let alone be able to do stuff with it. You will remember that Shaggy was offended by the fact that Harry used against him as well.
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Yeah, well, I don't think "mere mortals" are supposed to have Soul Fire, let alone be able to do stuff with it.
I don't think much hatred is because mortals aren't "supposed" to have soulfire. I think it's because Namshiel hates humans.
You will remember that Shaggy was offended by the fact that Harry used against him as well.
I don't remember that.
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Turn Coat
The skinwalker's smile widened. "I find it astonishing that you could call forth the very fires of creation--and yet have no faith with which to employ them."
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What about the Barabbus Curse? If I remember correctly, the curse was first seen in DM has the power to kill one individual each year via an entropy curse (a curse that kills using accidents and coincidence). This could be how Murphy actually died. I'm sure Nick was angry at Murphy for standing up to him like she did, and this could be a way to get back at both Harry and Murphy.
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Nothing positive in what the ski walker said but I do not think he was especially offended. He was belittling Harry but he gave Harry actually some valuable information.
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Less lazy and more far more interested in magical experiments than he is in tormenting people most of the time.
Marcone is the perfect partner, adapting magic to a vanilla mortal rather than a practitioner would be a challenge, given time and resources to experiment, and an able partner and not having Nicky breathing down his neck and having him do menial tasks. Namshiel must have felt like Marvin the Paranoid Android under Nicky. “Brain the size of a planet, and all you want is for me to open a gateway to the Never, Never, and all the time have this terrible pain in all the thorns down my left side.”