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Title: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Grifter on July 15, 2020, 02:59:01 AM
After one read-through, I thought there were a couple continuity items, but they mostly revolved around who knew certain secrets, and one about BFS. If anyone catches any others, feel free to share.

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Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Yuillegan on July 15, 2020, 06:47:02 AM
Indeed. There were several continuity errors. Good pick up about the fete.

Sanya's sudden change in build. He was tall and lanky before, buffer than Harry but no Michael. Now he apparently is a linebacker. Massive change.

In Peace Talks Harry says the last time a Dragon died it was in Tunguska. Except it wasn't because Michael killed one in his 20s. Tunguska was in 1908. And when Eb first reveals to Harry about being the Blackstaff, he claims credit for that explosion.

Perhaps these are part of the intentional continuity errors that Jim once hinted at. Hopefully so.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: whitelaughter on July 15, 2020, 09:56:46 AM
I'll have to go back and reread, but are you *sure* that is was the death of a Dragon that caused Tunguska? I thought he said it was a naagloshi.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 15, 2020, 10:28:49 AM
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Perhaps these are part of the intentional continuity errors that Jim once hinted at. Hopefully so.

  What are the reasons behind him doing that?   ???
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on July 15, 2020, 11:13:27 AM
Maybe the dragon did die at Tunguska killed by Michael decades after the 1908 explosion caused by Ebb, it may have been a dark site like the Full Moon garage re-used by different sets of villains. This has happened to Harry a couple of times in series, so not unlikely that it has happened out of series.

Jim is just vague on this to set off all the continuity buffs
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: ClintACK on July 15, 2020, 11:22:59 AM
@Mira- There have been hints that some continuity errors have been intentional clues of time travel, but as far as I know it's just hints.


Re: Michael killing Siriothrax...

The text in Peace Talks reads: "The last time a dragon had been slain out here in the tangible, mortal world, it had been in a region called Tunguska."

So, perhaps Michael killed Siriothrax in a part of the Nevernever -- perhaps its lair was its personal domain, outside the mortal world?

Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Yuillegan on July 15, 2020, 11:37:14 AM
Clintack - Not a bad explanation for the Dragon. If of course Jim just forgot he had already used Tunguska. In saying that, if it wasn't a mistake then I think Jim is making a point. Damned if I know what it is though.

Mira - What Clintack said.

Conspiracy Theorist - Do you know Jim? Are you sure this is what he is doing? I wouldn't be so certain. It's possible I grant you. But I guarantee there is also a story reason if it isn't a genuine oversight (which do happen).

As for your theory on Tunguska. Yeah, it's possible. But as above, if it wasn't an accident what is Jim trying to set up?

Also, no theories anyone on Sanya or the fact Harry and already been to the BFS but apparently didn't remember?
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: whitelaughter on July 15, 2020, 11:57:35 AM
went looking, and yes it was a dragon, but there's a qualifier:
"The last time a dragon had been slain out here in the tangible, mortal world, it had been in a region called Tunguska"

So clearly Michael killed the Dragon somewhere in the NeverNever, which sort of makes sense. As a budding wizard, Charity could easily have ended up there, and been taken home for a snack.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on July 15, 2020, 01:03:30 PM
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As for your theory on Tunguska. Yeah, it's possible. But as above, if it wasn't an accident what is Jim trying to set up?

That bad things keep happening in the same places? Harry has never sought out trouble, it has come to him. In narrative terms this is a continuity pile-up when the series is going on for a long time. Look at Murder she Wrote, Cabot Cove had a hell of a murder rate, a different murderer every week,  but they avoided this in Buffy The Vampire Slayer by creating the Hellmouth, I think Jim creatively is closer to Joss Whedon than the producers of Murder She Wrote (otherwise Harry would have been very different). Chicago gets both Battlefield and the BAT. The only time most of a denouement takes place out of Chicago or environs? Changes when Harry is forced to go to the problem, and then to another renowned dark site. The one novel designed to shake up the series.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 15, 2020, 01:10:31 PM
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There have been hints that some continuity errors have been intentional clues of time travel, but as far as I know it's just hints.

Or excuses, justifications for sloppy writing and editing...  Sorry, but those kinds of errors in a series are one of my pet peeves..  I also don't see what use they'd be in future time travel, because it seems like the dates and names change nothing unless he is trying to say Michael never killed that dragon, thus Charity was never saved, so Molly was never born. At least not to Michael and Charity..  Molly is still in the book, so I don't think the time travel excuse applies.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on July 15, 2020, 02:26:33 PM
I have heard of the time travel explanation, but this would expect to be in Harry’s personal timeline rather than historical time.

The other major explanation is that Harry is an unreliable narrator, it’s Harry’s fault not Jim’s.

Something in their own desmesne in the Never Never is where they are strongest, not where you would ideally take on a Dragon. However Tunguska was a considered to be the air burst of a stony meteorite of about 330 feet diameter, but no sizeable fragments were found, maybe a Dragon took them for their hoard, and liked the place for it’s nice evil atmosphere and remoteness from man.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 15, 2020, 03:40:50 PM
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The other major explanation is that Harry is an unreliable narrator, it’s Harry’s fault not Jim’s.

But we all know he is Jim's alter ego... ::)
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: peregrine on July 15, 2020, 04:15:49 PM
Murphy got her P-90 back after losing it in the water apparently.  Though that may have just been her being able to get another one.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Arjan on July 15, 2020, 04:24:45 PM
Murphy got her P-90 back after losing it in the water apparently.  Though that may have just been her being able to get another one.
Maybe just gave Kincaid a call. Or marcone. Or Lara. She clearly learned to appreciate them and they are not exactly unique items.

It just shows she has the necessary contacts to get them. And a rocket launcher if needed.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on July 15, 2020, 04:32:59 PM
And fragmentation grenades.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: DarthSpot on July 15, 2020, 05:02:36 PM
The text in Peace Talks reads: "The last time a dragon had been slain out here in the tangible, mortal world, it had been in a region called Tunguska."
I'm pretty sure he says "Dragon", not "dragon", and Jim made clear that there is a big difference between the two. The dragon Michael slew was a minor one, and maybe Tunguska was caused by the death of a capital-D-Dragon, being killed by the Blackstaff. It's at least a possibility ;-)
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: ClintACK on July 15, 2020, 05:08:54 PM
@DarthSpot-

That was one of the reasons I went to check the text. It's little-d in the e-book text, though that could be a typo.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Arjan on July 15, 2020, 05:27:23 PM
Maybe Kincaid gaver her a number for his weapon dealer. It is probably something like that.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: vultur on July 15, 2020, 05:31:35 PM
Clintack - Not a bad explanation for the Dragon. If of course Jim just forgot he had already used Tunguska. In saying that, if it wasn't a mistake then I think Jim is making a point. Damned if I know what it is though.

I took it as meaning that Eb killed the Dragon in Tunguska (presumably a multi-megaton event was needed to beat a Dragon's defenses without a Sword of the Cross or something like that).

Yeah, presumably Michael must have fought Siriothrax in the Nevernever. A magical being that powerful would likely have its own NN domain. Charity was going to be sacrificed to Siriothrax by a cult - probably the cult's "place of worship" connected to Siriothrax's NN domain, and the Way was open (since a ritual was happening) when Michael showed up.

Siriothrax was definitely a capital-D real Dragon, there's a WOJ that Ferrovax wouldn't have cared (in GP) otherwise. But Harry may not know the difference, the only dragon/Dragon he's met is Ferrovax, right?
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Vairelome on July 16, 2020, 01:47:50 AM
Another continuity difficulty--when Harry and Lara are going to rescue Thomas, Harry accidentally burns Lara, which confirms some things with regard to him and Karrin.  However, on the way out, there's no mention of Harry being particularly careful not to burn Thomas, which I'd think would be a concern?
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: peregrine on July 16, 2020, 01:51:37 AM
The burning is part of the feeding.  Lara is far more likely to try to feed on Harry than Thomas is, for a few obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Vairelome on July 16, 2020, 02:03:11 AM
Oh, I fully agree, as far as Thomas is concerned.  Considering the terrible shape he was in, it still seems a little odd to me that Thomas's Hunger wouldn't reach for any option.

Would that mean that Lara could exercise enough control to touch Harry and not get burned now that she knows Harry is protected?
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Grifter on July 16, 2020, 02:06:32 AM
Another item: Harry and Carlos bump fists in greeting at the beginning, but later the implication is that Carlos tagged him on the wrist with his pinky during a handshake.  I couldn't find a reference to them actually shaking hands, but maybe I'm missing it.

Oh, I fully agree, as far as Thomas is concerned.  Considering the terrible shape he was in, it still seems a little odd to me that Thomas's Hunger wouldn't reach for any option.

Would that mean that Lara could exercise enough control to touch Harry and not get burned now that she knows Harry is protected?
That was my thought on him travelling in the car with Murphy. My only guess is that Lara might have started nursing him or kept him in check.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Vairelome on July 16, 2020, 02:10:42 AM
Regarding the ink-tag, I believe Harry does shake hands with Chandler, who was operating under Carlos's command.  Carlos might have been responsible for ordering the tag without specifically doing it himself?
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Grifter on July 16, 2020, 02:18:56 AM
Regarding the ink-tag, I believe Harry does shake hands with Chandler, who was operating under Carlos's command.  Carlos might have been responsible for ordering the tag without specifically doing it himself?
Except he doesn't shake hands with Chandler until after they've caught up with him using the tag.  And Carlos wags his pinky to indicate how he did it.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Bad Alias on July 16, 2020, 03:40:02 AM
The Betas told Jim about the "continuity errors" surrounding Mortimer in GS (his house and shaved head were wrong). Jim kept the "errors" in. That makes them intentional. Other continuity errors could also be intentional.

Another continuity difficulty--when Harry and Lara are going to rescue Thomas, Harry accidentally burns Lara, which confirms some things with regard to him and Karrin.  However, on the way out, there's no mention of Harry being particularly careful not to burn Thomas, which I'd think would be a concern?
When he was in the lab, he used towels to handle Thomas being careful not to touch him directly, if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Grifter on July 16, 2020, 04:05:52 AM
The Betas told Jim about the "continuity errors" surrounding Mortimer in GS (his house and shaved head were wrong). Jim kept the "errors" in. That makes them intentional. Other continuity errors could also be intentional.
When he was in the lab, he used towels to handle Thomas being careful not to touch him directly, if I recall correctly.
I don't know that I would call the Mortimer things "intentional".  It might have also been just a mistake and a missed opportunity to fix.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: vultur on July 16, 2020, 04:13:13 PM
Would that mean that Lara could exercise enough control to touch Harry and not get burned now that she knows Harry is protected?

Probably. Lara has a lot of control. I was kind of surprised that she got burned at all by Harry, to be honest.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Arjan on July 16, 2020, 05:32:35 PM
Jim wanted to show the protection, that was more important
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 16, 2020, 05:41:09 PM


But she didn't get burned when they were on the ground together and the Mantle had very amorous ideas.  Harry merely called it off before it went any further, not that he didn't want it to go further. I am not saying she wouldn't have been burned, but just that it didn't happen. So unless they try again later in the book and she gets burnt, it didn't happen when she and Harry have their little exercise session at her estate when they first meet.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Walter the skull on July 16, 2020, 05:53:23 PM
Sanya can simply have added muscle mass by working out.

The thing about Harry and the BFS is interesting since it happens at the end of Skin Game.  Another event that happened at the end of Skin Game that has now been changed was Murphy's prognosis.  She went from being able to recover up to 90% mobility down to 50%.  Come to think of it, Blood on His Soul is pretty much dead in Skin Game, but River says he's alive and out of Hades realm.

We also see the collection of other Harrys in Skin Game, and the book was originally supposed to follow Peace Talks was Mirror Mirror.

Hmm?
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Arjan on July 16, 2020, 06:50:30 PM
There is the explanation she gave in the book about her control. She can use it whenever she wish to but she can not always choose when not to.

the only explanation I can think of is that her measure control is variable and depends on things like how well she is fed and how much preasure she is under.

The other reason of course is that Jim wanted to show the protection.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 16, 2020, 06:53:09 PM
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The thing about Harry and the BFS is interesting since it happens at the end of Skin Game.  Another event that happened at the end of Skin Game that has now been changed was Murphy's prognosis.  She went from being able to recover up to 90% mobility down to 50%.  Come to think of it, Blood on His Soul is pretty much dead in Skin Game, but River says he's alive and out of Hades realm.

It isn't mentioned, but there could be complications such as infections that could destroy tissue that cannot be replaced.  Nic wiped the pavement with her, several nasties walked upon it just before, who knows what nasty microbes got into her wounds.  Again, hate to harp on it, but her age, not that she is so old but she has been doing athletic things for over twenty years with some real heavy weights that puts wear and tear on joints, crippling osteoarthritis may have set in.  We've seen many a "youngish" newly retired NFL Football player walking with canes because his joints and body just wore out.  Not saying that did happen off page, but it is a realistic/ plausible explanation for her recovery going from 90% down to 50%.   
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Grifter on July 16, 2020, 07:12:14 PM
It isn't mentioned, but there could be complications such as infections that could destroy tissue that cannot be replaced.  Nic wiped the pavement with her, several nasties walked upon it just before, who knows what nasty microbes got into her wounds.  Again, hate to harp on it, but her age, not that she is so old but she has been doing athletic things for over twenty years with some real heavy weights that puts wear and tear on joints, crippling osteoarthritis may have set in.  We've seen many a "youngish" newly retired NFL Football player walking with canes because his joints and body just wore out.  Not saying that did happen off page, but it is a realistic/ plausible explanation for her recovery going from 90% down to 50%.   
But he was covered everywhere but his hands and head and neck in their dojo duel.  I'm not sure any part of him touched her, did it? 
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 16, 2020, 07:25:47 PM
But he was covered everywhere but his hands and head and neck in their dojo duel.  I'm not sure any part of him touched her, did it?
  You misunderstand, I mean when Nic beat up Murphy in the first place in Skin Game, she did have cuts and abrasions from hitting the sidewalk...  Who knows what microbes were on the cement, everything from animal poop and urine to what ever anyone passing by had on the soles of their shoes, also the stuff they spread to melt ice.. So in these days of antibiotic resistant microbes, Murphy could have gotten one hell of a drug resistant infection, she might be lucky to have come out of it with all her limbs..  Since frequently doctors are forced to amputate to keep the patient alive.
She may not have developed the infection until after the doctors gave their 90% recovery.  Doctors can be wrong, and she wouldn't be the first nor the last patient seemingly doing well suddenly go south..
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Second Aristh on July 16, 2020, 07:31:25 PM
I thought there were two types of dragon - specifically big-D Dragon like Ferrovax and specifically little-d dragon - and that the one Michael killed (Siriothrax) as the lessor, but still powerful enough that it was considered a hard thing to do.  Or... maybe remembering wrong.  I need to find my Grave Peril book (I think it was in there)
Siriothrax was the least of the big-D Dragons.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: uncanny on July 16, 2020, 07:31:57 PM
Murphy got her P-90 back after losing it in the water apparently.  Though that may have just been her being able to get another one.
Wasn't she given two originally?
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Smooth on July 16, 2020, 07:44:14 PM

But she didn't get burned when they were on the ground together and the Mantle had very amorous ideas.  Harry merely called it off before it went any further, not that he didn't want it to go further. I am not saying she wouldn't have been burned, but just that it didn't happen. So unless they try again later in the book and she gets burnt, it didn't happen when she and Harry have their little exercise session at her estate when they first meet.

Well, that was before Harry and Murphy actually said aloud that they love each other... "words have power" -explanation?
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Walter the skull on July 16, 2020, 08:08:54 PM
Mira:  You are right that a lot of things can alter a person's recovery trajectory.  On it's own its something I just kind of shrug at.  When add in the fact that Harry doesn't remember going into the BFS at the end of Skin Game, and the fact that bad bigfoot is up and around in the real world, it makes me wonder if Skin Happened the way we think it did.  Of course what's on the page is on the page, but in SG we learned about the existence of alternate Harrys.  Is the Harry in Peace Talks the Harry that was in SG?

In reality its probably just an error.  Books go through so many revisions i'm sure its hard to track what ends up on the final page.   
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Arjan on July 16, 2020, 08:12:47 PM
Wasn't she given two originally?
Harry got the phone number of Kinkaid’s arms dealer in death masks:

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Kincaid grinned. "I know a guy. I'll
have him call you. See you, Dresden."
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 16, 2020, 08:44:05 PM
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When add in the fact that Harry doesn't remember going into the BFS at the end of Skin Game, and the fact that bad bigfoot is up and around in the real world, it makes me wonder if Skin Happened the way we think it did.  Of course what's on the page is on the page, but in SG we learned about the existence of alternate Harrys.  Is the Harry in Peace Talks the Harry that was in SG?

He does have a coin doesn't he?  Doesn't he also have the ability to shape shift?  Cannot remember honestly, but if those things are true, things may not have happened the way they appeared to have happened, in which case, unless someone got his coin, he's still around.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Walter the skull on July 16, 2020, 08:58:34 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't be shocked if some of River's people had the power and the knowledge to open a way. 
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Arjan on July 16, 2020, 09:15:15 PM
Harry thought he might.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Grifter on July 16, 2020, 10:13:13 PM
  You misunderstand, I mean when Nic beat up Murphy in the first place in Skin Game, she did have cuts and abrasions from hitting the sidewalk...  Who knows what microbes were on the cement, everything from animal poop and urine to what ever anyone passing by had on the soles of their shoes, also the stuff they spread to melt ice.. So in these days of antibiotic resistant microbes, Murphy could have gotten one hell of a drug resistant infection, she might be lucky to have come out of it with all her limbs..  Since frequently doctors are forced to amputate to keep the patient alive.
She may not have developed the infection until after the doctors gave their 90% recovery.  Doctors can be wrong, and she wouldn't be the first nor the last patient seemingly doing well suddenly go south..
Huh, I don't know what happened but my reply wasn't meant for your post that I quoted.  That one was about Lara and Harry.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Bad Alias on July 17, 2020, 03:56:09 AM
I don't know that I would call the Mortimer things "intentional".  It might have also been just a mistake and a missed opportunity to fix.
Jim wrote the chapter. He posted it to his betas. They mentioned the mistake. He wrote the rest of GS without changing what is otherwise a minor detail. I don't see how that's a missed opportunity to fix it. Intentional seems way more likely to me.

There is the explanation she gave in the book about her control. She can use it whenever she wish to but she can not always choose when not to.

the only explanation I can think of is that her measure control is variable and depends on things like how well she is fed and how much preasure she is under.

The other reason of course is that Jim wanted to show the protection.
It might also depend on her level of desire.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Arjan on July 17, 2020, 04:00:36 AM
It might also depend on her level of desire.
Like I said, how well she is fed.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Bad Alias on July 17, 2020, 04:27:07 AM
Like I said, how well she is fed.
I guess I'll be blunt. Her control might depend on how horny Lara is. Not how much of a reserve she has. Not how much her Hunger desires to feed. Just regular human lust. Maybe Harry just gets to her.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Arjan on July 17, 2020, 04:29:50 AM
I guess I'll be blunt. Her control might depend on how horny Lara is. Not how much of a reserve she has. Not how much her Hunger desires to feed. Just regular human lust. Maybe Harry just gets to her.
I understood. I just do not think it is a factor of any importance.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 17, 2020, 01:14:56 PM
I understood. I just do not think it is a factor of any importance.

   Yeah, I don't think the usual "feeding on emotions" was happening here.  Lara loves her brother, and that is what she was feeding the Hunger to try and keep Thomas going.  To survive apparently the Hunger will eat anything at this point, including it's host, which makes no sense.  Because once it has "eaten" Thomas and he dies, it dies as well.  So two possibilities, the Hunger Demon really is just a mindless parasite not knowing what is in it's best interest in it's effort to survive.. Or it has a way to move onto a new host once it's present host is dead, so it survives.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Arjan on July 17, 2020, 01:28:56 PM
   Yeah, I don't think the usual "feeding on emotions" was happening here.  Lara loves her brother, and that is what she was feeding the Hunger to try and keep Thomas going.  To survive apparently the Hunger will eat anything at this point, including it's host, which makes no sense.  Because once it has "eaten" Thomas and he dies, it dies as well.  So two possibilities, the Hunger Demon really is just a mindless parasite not knowing what is in it's best interest in it's effort to survive.. Or it has a way to move onto a new host once it's present host is dead, so it survives.
It needs to get energy to survive and by starving it Thomas turned against it. And humans are not that different. If they really get hungry they eat things they need to get a harvest next year. They know it will kill them over a year but not eating will kill them now.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on July 17, 2020, 02:25:38 PM
The Hunger is a genuine parasite, and yes they will eat their host.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Arjan on July 17, 2020, 04:46:00 PM
The Hunger is a genuine parasite, and yes they will eat their host.
The difference between a symbiot and a parasite is purely what both parties get out of it, how they value it. The relation can change if the situation changes.

Especially when the host is weakened previous symbiots can change role.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_of_the_Damned
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 17, 2020, 05:52:10 PM
The Hunger is a genuine parasite, and yes they will eat their host.

Upon which it will die unless that is part of it's life cycle leading to it's reproduction.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Bad Alias on July 17, 2020, 11:50:37 PM
Harry says something about "Notre Dame, before the fire." Is there some fire that happened before April 15, 2019? There's no way this book should take place in 2019 or later.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 17, 2020, 11:56:11 PM
Harry says something about "Notre Dame, before the fire." Is there some fire that happened before April 15, 2019? There's no way this book should take place in 2019 or later.

  I don't remember any spoken of, I still remember that horrible day with real sadness.  He also said that his father took him to see Star Wars.  That came out in 1977, Harry was supposedly six when his father died.  Does anyone remember the year Harry was born?  Because that would put him closer to fifty than his early forties.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Grifter on July 18, 2020, 12:01:18 AM
Harry says something about "Notre Dame, before the fire." Is there some fire that happened before April 15, 2019? There's no way this book should take place in 2019 or later.
Not one that I know of that would have changed the appearance.  We'll have to assume the events of the book are 2014-2015 timeframe, but his journal entry was post fire in 2019.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Bad Alias on July 18, 2020, 12:23:47 AM
Mira: https://www.jim-butcher.com/timeline (https://www.jim-butcher.com/timeline).

Grifter: Probably have to go with that to not break the timeline.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 18, 2020, 05:23:44 AM
Mira: https://www.jim-butcher.com/timeline (https://www.jim-butcher.com/timeline).

Grifter: Probably have to go with that to not break the timeline.

It doesn't give the year though, Harry was born twenty six years before Storm Front, but it doesn't give the year that Storm Front takes place in. 
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Second Aristh on July 18, 2020, 05:16:12 PM
It doesn't give the year though, Harry was born twenty six years before Storm Front, but it doesn't give the year that Storm Front takes place in.
Storm Front happened within a year or two of 2000.  (with some admitted timeline mistakes)
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 18, 2020, 05:31:12 PM
Storm Front happened within a year or two of 2000.  (with some admitted timeline mistakes)

That has Harry being born around 1974, give or take, Star Wars came out in 1977.. So maybe as a three year old he remembers going to see it with his dad? 

 Marcone bothers me a bit also.  I seem to remember in Skin Game, as they are wrecking the bank Harry saying that Marcone had to be going along with Mab on it.  But in Peace Talks Harry seems to be saying he wasn't.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: didymos on July 18, 2020, 05:32:07 PM
Murphy got her P-90 back after losing it in the water apparently.  Though that may have just been her being able to get another one.

That error dates back to Changes.


That has Harry being born around 1974, give or take, Star Wars came out in 1977.. So maybe as a three year old he remembers going to see it with his dad? 

I saw it around that age and can remember it (just shy of four), so sure.  It's worth noting that Harry says:

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He took me to see Star Wars movies.

Butcher, Jim. Peace Talks (Dresden Files) (p. 268). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.

This implies he also saw The Empire Strikes Back with his father. 

Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Grifter on July 18, 2020, 05:45:02 PM
I think 1975 works as a birth year, and 2000 as SF and the beginning of the series.  And it makes it easy to associate ##ASF with 20##. 

That makes Harry 25.5 in SF, and 39.75 in PT.  That still keeps him younger than Butters' early forties age (I think butters is getting younger as the series goes along).
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 18, 2020, 05:52:45 PM
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This implies he also saw The Empire Strikes Back with his father. 

That makes a little more sense because he then would be around five. 
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: didymos on July 18, 2020, 05:55:51 PM
Oh, here's another error:

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“No,” she said. “Because I’m also the one who changed Thomas’s diapers, after his mother escaped our father. Dressed him. Fed him his meals. Taught him to read.”

Butcher, Jim. Peace Talks (Dresden Files) (p. 132). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.

Thomas was well out of diapers when Margaret left Lord Raith:

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“God knows,” Thomas said. “All I know is that there was some sort of business between them. It developed into something else. Father was trying to snare her permanently, but she wound up being too strong for him to completely enthrall. She escaped him when I was about five. From what I’ve been able to learn, she met your father the next year when she was on the run.”

Butcher, Jim. Blood Rites (The Dresden Files, Book 6) (p. 166). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Grifter on July 18, 2020, 06:03:46 PM
Oh, here's another error:

Thomas was well out of diapers when Margaret left Lord Raith:
I actually talked to a friend with kids about that, and she said it's not abnormal to have kids still in diapers (or more likely pull-ups) at 5+.  A kid with abandonment issues from his mom leaving and his dad being a psychotic monster might still be using them.  But I can also see where Lara might have done it prior to Margaret's departure, and is just conflating both.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 18, 2020, 06:37:51 PM
I actually talked to a friend with kids about that, and she said it's not abnormal to have kids still in diapers (or more likely pull-ups) at 5+.  A kid with abandonment issues from his mom leaving and his dad being a psychotic monster might still be using them.  But I can also see where Lara might have done it prior to Margaret's departure, and is just conflating both.

  Not in diapers, having accidents maybe or wetting the bed, I think pull ups would be a stretch.. However if that is true, it may account for Papa Raith's dismissal of  Thomas as a threat to him.  I seem to remember Thomas saying that his father didn't kill him off like he did his other sons because he saw him as a bit of a wimp.  Papa Raith strikes me as the type of jerk who wouldn't be understanding of a son's potty issues..
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Arjan on July 18, 2020, 06:59:48 PM
Murphy got her P-90 back after losing it in the water apparently.  Though that may have just been her being able to get another one.
I would expect her to get another one. Kincaid chose that weapon because it especially suited her, he probably has extensive skill in that kind of thing. Karrin has the contacts to get all kinds of weapons so she would get another one.

It is not an unique weapon. It is something she really wants to have. She has the contacts. She gets them.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on July 19, 2020, 01:13:04 AM
Harry’s world is not our world, so Star Wars may have come out a few years earlier and the Notre dame fire occurred at a different time. It’s like our world with supernatural elements added, but not our world.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: morriswalters on July 19, 2020, 01:21:31 AM
It close enough to our world to have Star Wars and there have been several slips as the time passes faster here then in the Dresden Files.  This is being talked about in Reddit.  Jim is of the opinion that the fans know the books better then he does.  Frankly I bought in to having Indiana Jones hide on a submarine in broad daylight in the Med, small continuity errors bother me only in the sense that maybe Jim doesn't seem to really care.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Hagbard Celine on July 19, 2020, 03:20:42 AM
  I don't remember any spoken of, I still remember that horrible day with real sadness.  He also said that his father took him to see Star Wars.  That came out in 1977, Harry was supposedly six when his father died.  Does anyone remember the year Harry was born?  Because that would put him closer to fifty than his early forties.

Maybe some of you weren't around, yes,  Star Wars first arrived in 1977, but it played in theaters for the entire time before Empire came out, and even then, you could still find it in theaters.  It was still in wide release in 1982!  I remember watching both Star Wars and Empire as a double feature before Jedi came out.  Then many theaters were running all three, staggered so you could see them all back to back to back.  So there's no inconsistency there. 
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 19, 2020, 03:29:25 AM
It close enough to our world to have Star Wars and there have been several slips as the time passes faster here then in the Dresden Files.  This is being talked about in Reddit.  Jim is of the opinion that the fans know the books better then he does.  Frankly I bought in to having Indiana Jones hide on a submarine in broad daylight in the Med, small continuity errors bother me only in the sense that maybe Jim doesn't seem to really care.

Which isn't a very pleasant thought..
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Maybe some of you weren't around, yes,  Star Wars first arrived in 1977, but it played in theaters for the entire time before Empire came out, and even then, you could still find it in theaters.  It was still in wide release in 1982!  I remember watching both Star Wars and Empire as a double feature before Jedi came out.  Then many theaters were running all three, staggered so you could see them all back to back to back.  So there's no inconsistency there.

Oh yes, especially in a large city..  Malcolm died when Harry was about six, it is still cutting things pretty close.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: BadHumours on July 19, 2020, 01:06:27 PM
Not exactly a continuity error, but Harry attributes the Hounds of Tindalos to H.P. Lovecraft. They were created by Frank Belnap Long and later incorporated into the Lovecraft Mythos by August Derleth.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Bad Alias on July 20, 2020, 01:59:11 AM
It doesn't give the year though, Harry was born twenty six years before Storm Front, but it doesn't give the year that Storm Front takes place in.
It gives at least a couple of years and the reasons for and against them.

I'm not sure if I've ever heard of a five year old wearing diapers who didn't have severe issues, but my mom doesn't think it would be that unusual. (My mom has more experience with young kids below the age of 6 or 7 than anyone I've ever met including kindergarten teachers and pediatricians).

Not exactly a continuity error, but Harry attributes the Hounds of Tindalos to H.P. Lovecraft. They were created by Frank Belnap Long and later incorporated into the Lovecraft Mythos by August Derleth.
Yeah. (1)Harry mentioning the Notre Dame fire, (2)Lara saying she changed Thomas's diapers after he was five, (3)Murphy's P-90, and (4)the Hounds misattribution can all be easily explained. 1. Harry "wrote" this or all the case files well after the fact. 2. Either Thomas or Lara was wrong about the timeline. 3. Murphy got a second one, or depending on when it reappeared, maybe it washed up on Demonreach after Harry had claimed it. 4. Harry (or Jim) was just conflating Lovecraftian with Lovecraft.

Those are all things that people do, so it wouldn't be nonsensical if it was just that kind of mistake in text. The whole "it's all written by Harry years after the fact" theory can make a lot of the continuity errors go down smoother.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Bad Alias on July 21, 2020, 03:39:44 AM
Harry mentions Listen. Didn't Listen die in Bombshells?
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 21, 2020, 03:56:42 AM
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I'm not sure if I've ever heard of a five year old wearing diapers who didn't have severe issues, but my mom doesn't think it would be that unusual. (My mom has more experience with young kids below the age of 6 or 7 than anyone I've ever met including kindergarten teachers and pediatricians).

   Five year olds have "accidents," hold it too long, or shy about using a strange bathroom type thing, they don't need to wear diapers for that.  Five year olds can be bed wetters, now some might put night diapers on them for that, but I know of no parent of a bed wetter who admitted to doing that.   If a five year old needs to wear diapers during the day, which means they have little or no control at all, that sounds like a physical problem and in need of a good urologist..  If they are doing it out of spite or fear or some other reason then they need a good child psychologist.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Second Aristh on July 21, 2020, 04:21:19 AM
I'm willing to chalk Lara's diaper comment to her speaking loosely about feeling like she raised Thomas.  All the rest of her list would apply to a five year old.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: didymos on July 21, 2020, 08:17:52 AM
Harry mentions Listen. Didn't Listen die in Bombshells?

Nah. He just got beat up a bit by Thomas:

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Listen walked out on his own power, his hands behind his back, one of his eyes swollen halfway shut. He gave me a steady look as he went by and said nothing.
Bastard.

Butcher, Jim. Brief Cases (Dresden Files) (p. 273). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: knnn on July 21, 2020, 02:40:32 PM
Others I noticed:

- The distance to the Raith manor is described as "several miles" (and he drives in convoy).   In Turn Coat it's "half a mile".

- Harry drinks that "black and white" potion, yet he still sees some things in color (like "scarlet blood") inconsistently.

- Lara states that's she never been betrayed by members of her household.   I guess Madeline in Turn Coat doesn't count?

- Not a dis-continuity, but you'd think the Raiths would have had a servant/maid doing things like changing diapers.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: didymos on July 21, 2020, 03:06:38 PM

- Lara states that's she never been betrayed by members of her household.   I guess Madeline in Turn Coat doesn't count?

She doesn't count the Raith Deeps thing either, dismissing it as "everyday treachery".
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: RulesLawyer on July 21, 2020, 03:54:09 PM
I don't think the loss of Dresden's memory of visiting the BFS while alive in Skin Game is a mistake.
Molly and Dresden visit it rather clearly in Skin Game. It's half a chapter. Dresden specifically mentions that it freaks the guard out they he knew were to go because he'd been there when dead.

Dresden and Molly go in, and what do they find, Mab. In her judgment aspect. Why is she in that aspect with Marcone? What were they discussing?
And when Dresden and Molly intercede, Jim writes this "But she [Mab] regarded me with a look of displeasure that promised me a reckoning later. Molly got the same glare."

Mab's messed with Harry's memory before (Small Favor). And if she messed with Molly's who would tell Harry that it happened (like she confirmed in Small Favor)? It also somewhat explains the Wardens' behavior now. They feel he's been compromised, but can't confirm due to Laws. Maybe he feels not right. It could also explain the cops (as speculated by Dresden that someone is pushing Rudolph). Why? Didn't Marcone take care of that as mentioned in Skin Game? 

Something happened. And Harry doesn't remember. Could be why the Karin thing is a bit...rushed? It feels 1 point out of 100 off. Not hugely off, but a small bit off.

AND, that would explain why so many things in Peace Talks feel...different. Off some how. Something else is going on. Marcone hosting the talks. Mab discussing things with him. There's a plan. It just doesn't feel like this Titian thing is a full surprise. There's another game going here. And I bet Marcone and Mab are behind a big-time plan behind it. Dresden's memory got in the way. Too risky for him to know for his own good. Sort of like when Mab took his memory of fire.

Also, there's something else to consider about Genosowka/Blood. Yeah, shapeshifter. Yeah coin. But if he died in the Underworld, what if Hades sent him back under a Geas as his punishment.




 
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: SpacedCowboy on July 21, 2020, 04:18:09 PM

Also, there's something else to consider about Genosowka/Blood. Yeah, shapeshifter. Yeah coin. But if he died in the Underworld, what if Hades sent him back under a Geas as his punishment.

I like this altered-memory theory, especially the above bit. Hades is known for his 'interesting' punishments. The Genowska being geased into (a) *helping* Harry, and (even worse, b) being subject to Harry's orders would be just about the worst thing possible for him, I think :)

Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Grifter on July 21, 2020, 08:00:58 PM
Harry mentions Listen. Didn't Listen die in Bombshells?
Nope, he was captured.  Last we saw he was walking out with his hands tied behind his back.  Probably turned back over to the Fomor for money or something.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Dina on July 22, 2020, 04:12:11 PM
I still think the diapers thing is a continuity mistake, I don't think Thomas would be in diapers at that age. But perhaps, as it was suggested here, she was exaggerating to make a point of how much she cares for him.

About the ink dot, what irked me was the fact that after meeting Carlos, Harry is hurt and well treated by Butters, who does a good job cleaning his hands from the oil. So how the ink survived the cleaning?

In another thread, Alablast mentions Harry circle in the basement as being different. I am not sure about that because I don't remember the specifics.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Bad Alias on July 22, 2020, 04:35:52 PM
Maybe "wrist" means "lower forearm?" Other than that, you're right. Either Harry or Butters should have noticed. I can see Butters missing or not commenting on it as he was awoken in the middle of the night and focused on Harry's injuries.

Alabast was right. The only thing I can think of is that it was still copper, at least in part. It's described as "a fivefoot hoop of braided copper, silver, and iron." I wouldn't be surprised by a lot of people calling something like that a copper circle. I'd be critical of it because it is wrong. If he's just trying to be concise, why not just call it a summoning circle?
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Dina on July 22, 2020, 05:11:37 PM
Maybe "wrist" means "lower forearm?" Other than that, you're right. Either Harry or Butters should have noticed. I can see Butters missing or not commenting on it as he was awoken in the middle of the night and focused on Harry's injuries.

Even so, he is a doctor and he was doing a cleaning. I would think he would be very conscious about it and all the doctors I've seen clean more than just the hands, and even all the wrist. In fact, I do that myself every time I wash "my hands" (specially now, of course). I mean, you may be right, it could have been a little above the wrist, but even so, it did not feel right.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Arjan on July 23, 2020, 02:26:43 AM
Others I noticed:

- The distance to the Raith manor is described as "several miles" (and he drives in convoy).   In Turn Coat it's "half a mile".

- Harry drinks that "black and white" potion, yet he still sees some things in color (like "scarlet blood") inconsistently.

- Lara states that's she never been betrayed by members of her household.   I guess Madeline in Turn Coat doesn't count?

- Not a dis-continuity, but you'd think the Raiths would have had a servant/maid doing things like changing diapers.
It is how Daddy trained them. Daddy Raith would let her do it to get the right family bond.

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“Family," Raith spat.
"Nothing but an accident of birth. Random consequence of desire and
response. Family is meaningless. It is nothing but the drive of blood to
further its own. Random combination of genes. It is utterly insignificant."

 "Your children don't think
that," I said. "They think family is important."

 He laughed. "Of course they think
that. I have trained them to do so. It is a simple and convenient way to
control them."
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Regenbogen on July 24, 2020, 11:18:36 AM
OMG I just found something. I'm currently listening to the audio book as a second "reading". It's page 185 (e-book Peace Talks), just after Harry comments on not having been to the BFS building since Ghost Story, we have mentioned in this thread already. I think during the first read I was too confused by his statement, that this escaped me.
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First, a modest, plain bronze plaque fixed to the wall that spelled out the words BETTER FUTURE SOCIETY in letters an inch high.

I looked it up:
Ghost Story, page 199, e-book:
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It read simply, BRIGHTER FUTURE SOCIETY.
OK, it's not so much difference. " better" - "brighter", but...
Could be misremembering from Butcher's side, but with the comment about having been there as a ghost and not at the end of Skin Game, I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: ClintACK on July 24, 2020, 11:54:20 AM
I looked it up:
Ghost Story, page 199, e-book:OK, it's not so much difference. " better" - "brighter", but...
Could be misremembering from Butcher's side, but with the comment about having been there as a ghost and not at the end of Skin Game, I'm not so sure.

Oh. Wow. Good spot. It's "Brighter Future Society" in Skin Game as well as Ghost Story, and in most of the references in Peace Talks. It's *just* the plaque that is wrong, not the text anywhere else.

Quote from: Peace Talks
"My comfy, dumpy old apartment was gone, flattened by Gentleman Johnnie Marcone to make way for his stupid little castle and the Bigger Better Brighter Future Society."
Quote from: Peace Talks
"The fete was being hosted at the Brighter Future Society's headquarters..."
Quote from: Peace Talks
"But as I approached the front door, I was struck by two things: First, a modest, plain bronze plaque fixed to the wall that spelled out the words BETTER FUTURE SOCIETY in letters an inch high..."

Ramirez reads the "Better Future Society" plaque and there's some discussion. And then later, when they talk about how Murphy is familiar with the building, it's back to Brighter Future Society twice.

You're definitely on to something, and I don't think it's a timey-wimey mirror mirror thing. For some reason, Marcone stuck a plaque on the door with the wrong name for the Peace Talks. Somethine's going on -- whether it's supposed to keep the low-key paranet-level BFS from attracting Accords-level notice or foil internet searches for them, or something weirder to do with the power of true names.

Perhaps it's Brighter Future Society when Butters and the wolves and the paranetters are the face of the organization, but Better Future Society when Marcone is? Possibly there's even a third name for when it's Lara's people.

But that sure looks like a deliberate switch, especially with that "... Bigger Better Brighter..." line to prime us to miss the difference.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Dina on July 24, 2020, 06:07:02 PM
I like that. I wish Shecky or another Beta reader read this thread.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Addicted To Stories on July 29, 2020, 12:54:37 PM
See here for another continuity error - this one about confronting the Wardens in the road and when exactly was the last time he confronted that many Wardens.  Peace Talks says it was when he was a kid, over killing Justin.  But in Turn Coat he faced off against 5 wardens (and 3 senior council members) on Demonreach...

https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53614.msg2330995.html#msg2330995

Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on August 23, 2020, 05:48:16 AM
The Notre Dame continuity error, we all assume it is referring to the Cathedral and the recent devastating fire. What if it isn’t?

There is only the reference to Notre Dame, but it isn’t the only Notre Dame, there is the University at South Bend Indiana, whose main building and library were devastated by a then famous fire in 1879. The recent Cathedral Fire resulted in a substantial donation to the restoration fund by the University and quite a few news stories linked the two fires. It is not unlikely that Jim came across these news articles. The pre- fire main building matches the brief description Jim gives of Raith Manor much better than the Cathedral.

Indiana is of course next to Illinois but why Harry is knowledgeable about the architectural history of a Catholic  university in a neighbouring state is any ones guess, unless St Mary’s got him interested in the subject of catholic religious architecture in the lakes region of which both are noteworthy examples.

On this basis there is no continuity error on Jim’s part, but worse he may have been deliberately vague to troll his readership on this point. If so he succeeded.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: pettygrew on September 20, 2020, 10:58:56 PM
I'm new to the forum.

When did Thomas learn that Dresden wasn't dead?  I don't remember reading anywhere that Thomas was told Dresden wasn't dead.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: JumpyDragon on September 21, 2020, 12:45:53 AM
I'm new to the forum.

When did Thomas learn that Dresden wasn't dead?  I don't remember reading anywhere that Thomas was told Dresden wasn't dead.

Thomas found out the hard way in Cold Days that Harry wasn't dead. He attacked Harry in the Water Beatle not realizing who it was. If i remember correctly, the only person that we know who knew Harry was alive was Molly.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Snark Knight on September 21, 2020, 01:00:00 AM
I like that. I wish Shecky or another Beta reader read this thread.

The beta readers might be under a confidentiality agreement about which continuity errors are deliberate and which are garden-variety slipups anyway. The deliberate ones are clues to something, and a list of which is which would be too revealing.
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: magical_liopleurodon on September 21, 2020, 08:43:15 AM
The beta readers might be under a confidentiality agreement about which continuity errors are deliberate and which are garden-variety slipups anyway. The deliberate ones are clues to something, and a list of which is which would be too revealing.

maybe https://www.reddit.com/r/dresdenfiles/comments/i3cx8q/episode_113_peace_talks_dissection_part_1/g221ren
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: pettygrew on September 22, 2020, 02:19:44 AM
Thomas found out the hard way in Cold Days that Harry wasn't dead. He attacked Harry in the Water Beatle not realizing who it was. If i remember correctly, the only person that we know who knew Harry was alive was Molly.

Thanks.  That does sound familiar.  I will check it out.  Yes, Molly was the only one who knew. 
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Serack on September 29, 2020, 12:38:18 AM
Here’s my beta comment on Tunguska

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**Hmmmmm… 2 things off about this.  First, unless Michael’s slaying of
Siriothax occurred outside the mortal world, there’s been a more recent
dragon slaying than one that would have happened at Tunguska.  Second,
Ebenezer claimed Tunguska as one of the “necessary things he did” in
chapter 35 of Blood Rites. 
Title: Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
Post by: Yuillegan on September 30, 2020, 01:22:29 AM
Did you get a response, Serack?