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Title: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: morriswalters on February 03, 2019, 04:43:58 PM
When Harry meets the Gatekeeper at the Mothers cottage in summer Knight we first learn some important things. 
The Gatekeeper knows where the Mothers reside.
The Gatekeeper has a piece of the Stone Table.
The Gatekeeper can open a way from close to the Mothers to Harry’s front drive. 
The Gatekeeper is able to track Harry in some fashion.
Quote from: Summer Knight.
"What are you doing here?"
"Looking for you," he said.
"You've been watching?"
He shook his head. "Call it listening. But I have had glimpses of you. And matters are worsening in Chicago."
Does anyone but me find the two bolded statements interesting.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Mira on February 03, 2019, 04:54:39 PM
When Harry meets the Gatekeeper at the Mothers cottage in summer Knight we first learn some important things. 
The Gatekeeper knows where the Mothers reside.
The Gatekeeper has a piece of the Stone Table.
The Gatekeeper can open a way from close to the Mothers to Harry’s front drive. 
The Gatekeeper is able to track Harry in some fashion. Does anyone but me find the two bolded statements interesting.

Ever notice the colors of the robes the Gatekeeper wears?   They are blue and black, winter's colors..
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Avernite on February 03, 2019, 08:29:17 PM
It almost sounds like the Mothers cheated and have their own (male) human minion to do their important work.

Presumably one of the previous Gatekeepers is why the Blackstaff is with the Council.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Bad Alias on February 03, 2019, 08:32:07 PM
@morris, may I call you morris, yes, but I also find the Gatekeeper's ability to open a way basically to anywhere he wants interesting, too. He was able to open a way to a dock off a scary island he was unwilling/able to set foot on that had recently been built.

@Mira: Aren't the Gatekeeper's robe and stole (or cowl or whatever) the standard Senior Council attire?
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: morriswalters on February 03, 2019, 11:17:56 PM
@morris, may I call you morris, yes, but I also find the Gatekeeper's ability to open a way basically to anywhere he wants interesting, too. He was able to open a way to a dock off a scary island he was unwilling/able to set foot on that had recently been built.

@Mira: Aren't the Gatekeeper's robe and stole (or cowl or whatever) the standard Senior Council attire?
That's my name, so feel free.

Consider the Gatekeepers name a little more literally.  In Cold Days Mab will close off Winter.  Right now I'm playing with the idea that the Gatekeeper was the man who made that happen, and that the Outer Gates control it. 

I am thinking that the Outer Gates are a Swiss Army Knife kind of a thing.  Letting the Gatekeeper look for and find whatever, kind of a super LC.  The Gatekeeper is the guy who can go anywhere, see anything, and be in the right place at the right time. 

In Turn Coat he puts the magic scan on Harry and sees the connection to Demonreach.  He knows Harry's location well enough to open a portal near him, multiple times.  He sees Black Magic in Chicago.  Just kinda noodling the idea at the moment.  Odin and him share a lot in common.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Salusen on February 04, 2019, 01:50:24 AM
Odin and him share a lot in common.

IDK. I always thought he might be Heimdall?
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: morriswalters on February 04, 2019, 12:01:54 PM
I don't think he's Odin. But Rashid is way too convenient.
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The Merlin took a deep breath and then said, forced calm in his voice, “I suppose a few moments for thought are not unreasonable.”
“Thank you,” the Gatekeeper said gravely.
Five minutes went by like five thousand years. Molly sagged against me, so frightened she could barely stand.
“Enough,” the Merlin said, finally. “This travesty needs to end.”
“On that point,” the Gatekeeper said, “we agree.” And then he stepped forward to the circle marked on the floor, and smudged it with his boot, breaking the circle. He flicked a gloved hand, and the lock on the chained door sprang open and fell away, followed closely by the chains.
“What is the meaning of this?” the Merlin demanded.
The Gatekeeper ignored him and pushed open the door. One of the Wardens on guard outside stood in front of it, one hand raised as if to knock. He blinked at the Gatekeeper, and then looked over his shoulder and said, “It’s open, sir.”
“Get clear of the door, fool,” barked Ebenezar’s voice. “Get them inside. Hurry, man! They’re right behind us!”
A suspicious type might think that Rashid was somehow following the progress of Eb and the others as they ran from the Reds. And perhaps making sure the way they opened led them to the place they needed to be.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Mira on February 04, 2019, 12:40:39 PM
@morris, may I call you morris, yes, but I also find the Gatekeeper's ability to open a way basically to anywhere he wants interesting, too. He was able to open a way to a dock off a scary island he was unwilling/able to set foot on that had recently been built.

@Mira: Aren't the Gatekeeper's robe and stole (or cowl or whatever) the standard Senior Council attire?

They are but I don't think they are all the same colors, also Jim has made the point of describe it
over several books.  He never talks about the colors of Eb's robes or the Merlin for example.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: sonwarrior on February 04, 2019, 08:05:55 PM
We know that the Gatekeeper is the oldest wizard in the council. Would it even be possible for him to be a wizard with an immortal mantle? I liked Salusen's idea about Heimdall.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: morriswalters on February 04, 2019, 08:46:19 PM
I was thinking of Odin's missing eye, rather than a immortal mantle.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: sonwarrior on February 04, 2019, 09:09:56 PM
But wasn't it implied the eye the Gatekeeper has is from the gates themselves?
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: morriswalters on February 04, 2019, 10:08:54 PM
Maybe. I'm just playing with the idea.  Rashid knows too much and it bugs me.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Mira on February 05, 2019, 03:55:47 PM
But wasn't it implied the eye the Gatekeeper has is from the gates themselves?

Yeah, it was Harry said so when he visited him at the Gates back in Cold Days.  It was also implied to
my way of thinking that Rashid isn't just the Gatekeeper, but acts as one of Mab's more important generals in the fight there.   Rashid also told Harry that the Merlin and the Senior Council are pretty
clueless as to what his job really was, and implied that goes for Harry as well.   It is implied that Margaret knew, and possibly Eb, though he may not have the details.. Harry felt at least that Eb trusts Rashid.  However the Council as Rashid put it in Cold Days, "If we survive the next several hours, I will settle matters between you and the Council, which knows only as much about our roles as it needs to--and that isn't much."
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Bad Alias on February 05, 2019, 05:47:05 PM
A lot of good stuff here.

That's my name, so feel free.

Consider the Gatekeepers name a little more literally.  In Cold Days Mab will close off Winter.  Right now I'm playing with the idea that the Gatekeeper was the man who made that happen, and that the Outer Gates control it. 

I am thinking that the Outer Gates are a Swiss Army Knife kind of a thing.  Letting the Gatekeeper look for and find whatever, kind of a super LC.  The Gatekeeper is the guy who can go anywhere, see anything, and be in the right place at the right time. 

In Turn Coat he puts the magic scan on Harry and sees the connection to Demonreach.  He knows Harry's location well enough to open a portal near him, multiple times.  He sees Black Magic in Chicago.  Just kinda noodling the idea at the moment.  Odin and him share a lot in common.
I like that. The Gate somehow allows him to see and open ways in a manner that he wouldn't be able to otherwise. He's also probably just pretty good at opening ways regardless.

They are but I don't think they are all the same colors, also Jim has made the point of describe it
over several books.  He never talks about the colors of Eb's robes or the Merlin for example.
I'll have to pay more attention, but isn't that because Rashid often appears as an unknown figure who then Harry realizes is Rashid?

We know that the Gatekeeper is the oldest wizard in the council. Would it even be possible for him to be a wizard with an immortal mantle? I liked Salusen's idea about Heimdall.
That wouldn't be too different than what Odin is. He was a god, but kind of isn't because he stays on earth making him mortal, so he picked up the Kringle mantle to make himself immortal. I really don't see how a mortal Odin who takes up a fairy mantle to make himself immortal is all that different from a mortal wizard who takes up an immortal mantle (of any kind) for the same reasons. One of the reasons I don't think it's too different is because of something Patrick Rothfuss said about how there are three prototypical wizards: Moses, Odin, and Merlin. (It might of been Moses, Gandalf, and one of the others, but since Gandalf is based off of Odin, it doesn't really matter to my point, i.e., Odin is very wizardlike, so not much difference between immortal wizard and Odin).
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: morriswalters on February 05, 2019, 08:13:59 PM
The idea of the eye being made of the crystal of the gate wouldn't preclude it from being Odin's eye. Magic after all. However it is only a thought.

Jim has used color signaling throughout the books. And given that the Gatekeeper and Mab need to be close to function as a team, color signalling by robes is right up Jim's literary alley, as a hint that Rashid is allied with Mab.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: peregrine on February 05, 2019, 11:01:50 PM
The wiki says it's dark robes with purple stoles rather than blue for the senior council.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Mira on February 05, 2019, 11:32:36 PM
The idea of the eye being made of the crystal of the gate wouldn't preclude it from being Odin's eye. Magic after all. However it is only a thought.

Jim has used color signaling throughout the books. And given that the Gatekeeper and Mab need to be close to function as a team, color signalling by robes is right up Jim's literary alley, as a hint that Rashid is allied with Mab.

page 338 Cold Days
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One of his eyes was nearly black, it was so dark.  The other eye had been replaced with a crystalline material that was identical to that which had been used to create the gates and the walls around them..
"Steel,"I said.
"Pardon?" he asked.
Your, uh, other eye.  It was steel before."
"I'm sure it looked like steel," he said.  "The disguise is necessary when I am not here."

Harry goes on to say that Rashid's job is so secret his eye gets it's own disguise when he isn't at the gates.  This implies a whole lot of things, like just how old is Rashid?  How long has he had the job of Gatekeeper?  Who made the eye in the first place?  And when did Rashid receive it?  Since the eye is made of the same material as the gates, was it made at the same time? 
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: morriswalters on February 06, 2019, 12:46:31 AM
We won't know until Jim tells us.  But everyone seems to think Rashid can time travel, but I think that what he does, is use the link in the way that Harry uses his link Demonreach, except that it covers reality rather than just Demonreach island.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Salusen on February 06, 2019, 12:54:02 AM
page 338 Cold Days
Harry goes on to say that Rashid's job is so secret his eye gets it's own disguise when he isn't at the gates.  This implies a whole lot of things, like just how old is Rashid?  How long has he had the job of Gatekeeper?  Who made the eye in the first place?  And when did Rashid receive it?  Since the eye is made of the same material as the gates, was it made at the same time?


I like your questions a lot. There's a post on the dresden files wikia about how Rashid's name is one of the 99 names of Allah. Which might be a clue to his real identity if you consider that Jim does not lightly choose names for his characters. They always mean something.

Rashid's eye and the Outer Gates are made of the same crystal. But then we get a clue from Jim in Cold Days that the Outer Gates that Harry saw was just a dumbed down version that his mind could cope with. I think that the 'crystal' is actually a force of Creation much like soulfire. It's made of sheer will - which translates to magic in reality. The eye isn't really just something physical, it's a purely magical object that can manifest a physical form and has a specific purpose (opens ways, sees all things) like Odin's all-seeing eye.


I still disagree with Rashid being Odin's missing eye. But maybe Rashid has Odin's missing eye? If the beings of both the Greek and Norn pantheons guarded the Outer Gates before Winter took over, that means Odin must have had the eye then. He might've even been one of the first Gatekeepers.

And it's more likely that Rashid is Heimdall rather than Odin himself. As Jim is a huge Marvel fan, his description of Rashid fits in with the Heimdall in the comics. Rashid can Listen (like Harry) and he sees everything -- Heimdall. Plus, the dude who guarded the gates of Asgard was one of Odin's most trusted. Doesn't it make sense that he would guard the Outer Gates as well? And this theory would open up the other possibility that since the Gates of Asgard open up to other worlds and realms (realities), that means they mighty also open up to non-reality. And that they're an Asgardian version of the Outer Gates themselves.

Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Mira on February 06, 2019, 03:35:05 PM


   It is my opinion that if  Lea is Harry's godmother, Rashid is a good candidate for his godfather,
even if it is an unofficial title.  Why is it from the first time we meet him that Rashid always manages
to turn up when Harry is in trouble with the Council or to give advice when Harry is contemplating some very serious actions... Yet at the same time he appears totally outside of the usual politics of the Senior Council.. 
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Salusen on February 06, 2019, 09:01:55 PM

   It is my opinion that if  Lea is Harry's godmother, Rashid is a good candidate for his godfather,
even if it is an unofficial title.  Why is it from the first time we meet him that Rashid always manages
to turn up when Harry is in trouble with the Council or to give advice when Harry is contemplating some very serious actions... Yet at the same time he appears totally outside of the usual politics of the Senior Council..


I think that's because Rashid has enough on his plate without adding White Council politics and that's why he stays away from them. Being the Gatekeeper is enough of a responsibility. Being Harry's godfather might be a good reason why he almost always shows up when Harry is in danger..? But I think the reason Harry ran into him all those books ago is because of the direct involvement of Nemesis and the Outsiders.

Remember, he's the Gatekeeper. And it's his job to make sure the Outsiders stay outside. Any Outsider working to dismantle to Gates has to go through Rashid's dead body first.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: morriswalters on February 06, 2019, 09:47:14 PM
Rashid would be a very hardcore Godfather.  He has told Harry twice that he will kill him if Harry doesn't toe the line.  Which makes me believe he shares Mab's POV on tough love.  I wanna know where he hangs when he relaxes, I'm guessing Egypt.  It's just to good to pass up.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Salusen on February 06, 2019, 11:21:54 PM
I wanna know where he hangs when he relaxes, I'm guessing Egypt.  It's just to good to pass up.

Wasn't there a wikia post about how to get to his domain?? Egypt sounds like a great place to relax.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Bad Alias on February 07, 2019, 02:45:44 AM
like just how old is Rashid?
There was some comment by Jim about how Rashid killed some Arab wizard from, I think, some Lovecraft story. The wizard was from the 12th or 13th century, making Rashid at least 700 calendar years old. On the other hand, he spends a lot of time in the far reaches of the Nevernever, so it is likely that his actual age is much younger, but if he has some sort of mantle that prevents, or even slows, his aging, he could be even older.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Mira on February 07, 2019, 05:07:00 AM
Rashid would be a very hardcore Godfather.  He has told Harry twice that he will kill him if Harry doesn't toe the line.  Which makes me believe he shares Mab's POV on tough love.  I wanna know where he hangs when he relaxes, I'm guessing Egypt.  It's just to good to pass up.
Agreed, but even if he would kill Harry if he screwed up, he would do all that he could to see that
Harry be given a chance to do what is right.  This is basically what happened in Summer Knight.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Avernite on February 07, 2019, 07:07:42 PM
There was some comment by Jim about how Rashid killed some Arab wizard from, I think, some Lovecraft story. The wizard was from the 12th or 13th century, making Rashid at least 700 calendar years old. On the other hand, he spends a lot of time in the far reaches of the Nevernever, so it is likely that his actual age is much younger, but if he has some sort of mantle that prevents, or even slows, his aging, he could be even older.
If he was immortal/unaging but still reasonably human, it'd be quite epic if he was really Gilgamesh. Even if that's probably reaching back TOO far.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Ulfgeir on February 07, 2019, 07:56:02 PM
There was some comment by Jim about how Rashid killed some Arab wizard from, I think, some Lovecraft story. The wizard was from the 12th or 13th century, making Rashid at least 700 calendar years old. On the other hand, he spends a lot of time in the far reaches of the Nevernever, so it is likely that his actual age is much younger, but if he has some sort of mantle that prevents, or even slows, his aging, he could be even older.

Well, he took down the Mad Arab, who according to H.P. Lovecraft wrote the Necronomicon...
We also know that he is not the strongest wizard, but the most dangerous.

/Ulfgeir
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Bad Alias on February 07, 2019, 08:55:55 PM
That's what I was talking about. I just couldn't recall any of the specifics. According to the great wiki, the Mad Arab died or disappeared in 738 A.D., so it's likely Rashid has an even older calendar age than I stated.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Salusen on February 07, 2019, 08:59:24 PM
So he's waaay old. Like maybe Vadderung old?
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Bad Alias on February 08, 2019, 05:31:34 PM
So he's waaay old. Like maybe Vadderung old?

Or he could be regular wizard old, but has spent so much time in the Nevernever, that he has skipped hundreds of years. On the other hand, he may have spent hundreds of years in the Nevernever, but less time passed in the real world.

This and the "Our" thread by Yuillegan brought to my attention that Rashid says "a bit of questionable attention from the Fates and a ridiculously enormous tool." Then he taps his fake eye. In the "Our" thread, we were discussing how Harry summoned Mother Winter using the names of one of the Norse Fates (Norns) and one of the Greek Fates (Moirai). Moirai actually translates to "apportioners," not fates. At least according to wikipedia.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: morriswalters on February 08, 2019, 06:51:21 PM
Well, he took down the Mad Arab, who according to H.P. Lovecraft wrote the Necronomicon...
We also know that he is not the strongest wizard, but the most dangerous.

/Ulfgeir
Given that it appears that he can open a portal to almost anywhere in reality, that would make him pretty dangerous. 

And if Outsiders are in a realm outside the flow of time it isn't unreasonable to think that he doesn't age at the wall at all.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Mira on February 08, 2019, 09:52:10 PM
Or he could be regular wizard old, but has spent so much time in the Nevernever, that he has skipped hundreds of years. On the other hand, he may have spent hundreds of years in the Nevernever, but less time passed in the real world.

This and the "Our" thread by Yuillegan brought to my attention that Rashid says "a bit of questionable attention from the Fates and a ridiculously enormous tool." Then he taps his fake eye. In the "Our" thread, we were discussing how Harry summoned Mother Winter using the names of one of the Norse Fates (Norns) and one of the Greek Fates (Moirai). Moirai actually translates to "apportioners," not fates. At least according to wikipedia.

That line from Rashid I took to mean when he took up the role of Gatekeeper or it was thrust upon him  he was given the "gift" of the eye not unlike Harry getting the gift of Soulfire..
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: groinkick on February 09, 2019, 02:35:07 AM
That line from Rashid I took to mean when he took up the role of Gatekeeper or it was thrust upon him  he was given the "gift" of the eye not unlike Harry getting the gift of Soulfire..

Well I know I'm nit picking but Soulfire was not a gift.  It was just a balancing of the scales.  Harry would not have gotten it if not for hellfire
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Mira on February 09, 2019, 01:05:16 PM
Well I know I'm nit picking but Soulfire was not a gift.  It was just a balancing of the scales.  Harry would not have gotten it if not for hellfire

Perhaps, but it was still a gift.. 
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Bad Alias on February 10, 2019, 06:07:33 PM
My point is only that I had never really noticed that he is saying that the Faerie Queens did whatever to him. Whether that was taking his eye, giving him the new one, or offering him the role of Gatekeeper. While it may have been something he chose, it was also something done to him by the "questionable attention from the Fates."

Kind of like how Harry is what he is at this point because of the choices he made and attention from powerful supernatural beings.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Mira on February 10, 2019, 07:58:46 PM
My point is only that I had never really noticed that he is saying that the Faerie Queens did whatever to him. Whether that was taking his eye, giving him the new one, or offering him the role of Gatekeeper. While it may have been something he chose, it was also something done to him by the "questionable attention from the Fates."

Kind of like how Harry is what he is at this point because of the choices he made and attention from powerful supernatural beings.

   Attention, Harry caught the attention of Heaven when he resisted the shadow of Lasciel... He was gifted with soulfire, but no instruction manual, because technically Heaven isn't supposed to interfere..   Excuse to balance the scales, but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense...  Hellfire existed before Harry had it, then he had it, there was no one out there with "balancing" soulfire except the angels...  But it is something he needs for the fight....

I imagine Rashid caught the attention of the Fates, when he was chosen for a particular job, what is useful for guarding the Gates and making sure the sneaky Enemy doesn't invade?  Yeah, he was gifted with a very important tool...
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Bad Alias on February 10, 2019, 08:17:11 PM
I think Harry had the attention of Heaven before that. Michael shows up pretty hard in Harry's life just before Grave Peril. Then a fairy queen "buys" Harry in the next book. In the next book, an angel sends the Knights a message about him, and the Denarians mess with that message at considerable effort. Then the Nicodemus tries to recruit him.

Then there are all the mysterious visitations Harry has. The feminine presence in Storm Front, his dad's visitation, Butters saving him in Dead Beat. I'm probably missing several before Harry "converts" Lash in White Night.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Mira on February 10, 2019, 10:57:18 PM
I think Harry had the attention of Heaven before that. Michael shows up pretty hard in Harry's life just before Grave Peril. Then a fairy queen "buys" Harry in the next book. In the next book, an angel sends the Knights a message about him, and the Denarians mess with that message at considerable effort. Then the Nicodemus tries to recruit him.

Then there are all the mysterious visitations Harry has. The feminine presence in Storm Front, his dad's visitation, Butters saving him in Dead Beat. I'm probably missing several before Harry "converts" Lash in White Night.

No doubt, he is a star born after all.  I wouldn't be shocked if it turned out that Rashid is also a star born.   I don't think it a coincident that he'd be friends with, and a protector of his mother.  I also wouldn't be shocked if Rashid was in on all the machinations leading up to Harry's conception.. That he was also the main reason why she managed to elude the Wardens for as long as she did.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Avernite on February 11, 2019, 08:22:34 PM
No doubt, he is a star born after all.  I wouldn't be shocked if it turned out that Rashid is also a star born.   I don't think it a coincident that he'd be friends with, and a protector of his mother.  I also wouldn't be shocked if Rashid was in on all the machinations leading up to Harry's conception.. That he was also the main reason why she managed to elude the Wardens for as long as she did.
I imagine Eb had something to do with her eluding capture, too.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: KurtinStGeorge on February 11, 2019, 11:00:37 PM
The Gatekeeper is able to track Harry in some fashion.
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"What are you doing here?"
"Looking for you," he said.
"You've been watching?"
He shook his head. "Call it listening. But I have had glimpses of you. And matters are worsening in Chicago."

The Gatekeeper may not be tracking Harry directly.  We have so little information to work with.  For example, if I were to ask forum members to give an explanation of what the Gatekeeper meant when he said, "Call it listening," I bet every response would be unique, and we wouldn't have a way to confirm any of them. (So please don't try unless you can quote something directly from one of the novels to back you up.) To get back to my main point, whatever the Gatekeeper may be perceiving, it's possible Rashid is looking for black magic, or to steal a Star Wars term; "a disturbance in the Force," or Mab might call it, "A disturbance in the balance of forces," and Harry is often at or near the center of those disturbances, so that could be how the Gatekeeper gets glimpses of, and eventually finds Harry.

Only in Turn Coat, after Harry called the White Council and told them he had Morgan, can we safely assume the Gatekeeper was directly looking for Harry.  Even then, we don't really know if Rashid saw where Harry was, or if he saw, heard or felt something that told him to go to Demonreach without knowing; I mean having having 100% knowledge, that Harry was there.  It could have been, the Gatekeeper's search only revealed to him that he had to get to the dock on Demonreach to learn the truth.  He could have easily guessed that Harry would be there, but that's not the same thing as being certain that Harry would be there.

Unless the Gatekeeper gives us a more detailed explanation of how he gets these perceptions; which seems really unlikely, or Harry gets to use the Outer Gates material himself to do some kind of magic search; which could happen in a future story, we don't have a solid explanation of what the Gatekeeper does or what he's looking for.  By the way, I'm fine if we never do.  Not everything in the Dresden Files requires a detailed explanation.



Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: morriswalters on February 11, 2019, 11:47:57 PM
In reality we know a considerable amount of information about the Gatekeeper. From the text of the books.

He appears out of nowhere at the tree Harry is hung up in Summer Knight.
Quote from: Summer Knight
I folded my arms and had them sternly crossed over my chest when a tall, shrouded form emerged from the mist below. Dark robes swirled, a deep hood concealed, and a gloved hand gripped a wooden staff.
Either he was following Harry or he was able to find him.  Pick your poison.

And in Proven Guilty that Gatekeeper apparently sees  Eb and the team as they move through a portal back to Chicago with Micheal.  He breaks the circle and throws open the door before the guard can knock.

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Love Hurts The Dresden Wiki

In "Love Hurts", Anastasia Luccio mentions to Harry Dresden that although the Wardens don't have orbital satellites for detecting dark magic, the Gatekeeper may know something about what's going on. She states that Rashid has a gift for sensing problem areas, but that no one has seen him for weeks, which is not unusual.[17]
Not a very subtle hint is it?

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By the way, I'm fine if we never do.  Not everything in the Dresden Files requires a detailed explanation.
I'm gonna have to be fine with it.  Peace Talks will in all likelihood be my last, unless Mr. Butcher moves into hyperdrive.

You might think that the Gatekeeper was known as the Shadow in another time and place.  Key cackle. 
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"Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows!"

Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Con on February 12, 2019, 10:53:22 AM
You guys have forgotten Rashid's connection with Demon Reach as well as his knowledge of what the ability of Intellectus could do. In Turn Coat he says 'this island holds a grudge' then we have a later WoJ that 'he focused the tank', which is basically Gamer talk for he set a beacon in Demonreach to be attacked during an Outsider attack so that the Gates would be safe.

Then in Turn Coat Ebenezar said "A messenger arrived from Rashid he's more familiar with what you can do with that kind of bond".

Personally I think it's because Rashid has Intellectus with the Outer Gates themselves.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Mira on February 12, 2019, 01:13:28 PM
The Gatekeeper may not be tracking Harry directly.  We have so little information to work with.  For example, if I were to ask forum members to give an explanation of what the Gatekeeper meant when he said, "Call it listening," I bet every response would be unique, and we wouldn't have a way to confirm any of them. (So please don't try unless you can quote something directly from one of the novels to back you up.) To get back to my main point, whatever the Gatekeeper may be perceiving, it's possible Rashid is looking for black magic, or to steal a Star Wars term; "a disturbance in the Force," or Mab might call it, "A disturbance in the balance of forces," and Harry is often at or near the center of those disturbances, so that could be how the Gatekeeper gets glimpses of, and eventually finds Harry.

Only in Turn Coat, after Harry called the White Council and told them he had Morgan, can we safely assume the Gatekeeper was directly looking for Harry.  Even then, we don't really know if Rashid saw where Harry was, or if he saw, heard or felt something that told him to go to Demonreach without knowing; I mean having having 100% knowledge, that Harry was there.  It could have been, the Gatekeeper's search only revealed to him that he had to get to the dock on Demonreach to learn the truth.  He could have easily guessed that Harry would be there, but that's not the same thing as being certain that Harry would be there.

Unless the Gatekeeper gives us a more detailed explanation of how he gets these perceptions; which seems really unlikely, or Harry gets to use the Outer Gates material himself to do some kind of magic search; which could happen in a future story, we don't have a solid explanation of what the Gatekeeper does or what he's looking for.  By the way, I'm fine if we never do.  Not everything in the Dresden Files requires a detailed explanation.

Listening means you quietly open your ears and listen..   Sometimes it is about understanding, you plead for someone to listen to you you want them to hear and understand what you are saying... Or it is picking out something in the background noise...  So Rashid makes a habit of listening for Harry in the background noise... Face it someone like Harry would stand out.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Talby16 on February 14, 2019, 09:56:52 PM
And in Proven Guilty that Gatekeeper apparently sees  Eb and the team as they move through a portal back to Chicago with Micheal.  He breaks the circle and throws open the door before the guard can knock.

Depends on what way you are using "see." I personally do not think that he physically saw them or saw them with his Sight. We know from Proven Guilty that Rashid sometimes gets information from hindsight:
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"He got this from hindsight, he had to," Bob said.
"Hindsight," I murmured. "You mean he went to the future for this?"
"Well," Bob hedged. "That would break one of the Laws, so probably not. But he might have sent himself a message from there, or maybe gotten it from some kind of prognosticating spirit. He might even have developed some ability for that himself. Some wizards do."

My opinion is that Rashid knew they would be arriving through this skill. Kind of like Abby from White Knight who is able to see in the future involuntarily only Rashid has the skill to peer at will.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Talby16 on February 14, 2019, 10:03:04 PM
Wasn't there a wikia post about how to get to his domain?? Egypt sounds like a great place to relax.

Here is the relevant WOJ:
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2010 2D6feet interview with Iago @6:31
Iago says that at the 2010 DragonCon, Jim told him:
“You get to the Gatekeeper’s domain by walking across the surface of the moon.”
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: morriswalters on February 14, 2019, 11:20:13 PM
Depends on what way you are using "see." I personally do not think that he physically saw them or saw them with his Sight. We know from Proven Guilty that Rashid sometimes gets information from hindsight:
My opinion is that Rashid knew they would be arriving through this skill. Kind of like Abby from White Knight who is able to see in the future involuntarily only Rashid has the skill to peer at will.
While your interpretation is possible, perhaps more so than mine, I interpret it more in the sense of Anduriel's ability.  Rashid might appear to be seen as having the ability to focus on individuals and know what they are doing when he pays attention to them.
Title: Re: The Gatekeeper in Summer Knight
Post by: Mira on February 15, 2019, 12:45:07 PM

   His eye helps Rashid to see though those who who cross the Gates..

page 338 Cold Days  After Harry exclaims that his job is so secret that his eye needs a disguise.

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"But they need a good eye here to be sure that the things that must remain outside do not slip in unnoticed.

  "Inside the wounded," I guessed.  "Or returning troops.  Or medics."

Rashid is then pleased that Harry is learning..  But it isn't just his eye either..

On 339  Harry asks him how he knows that someone is infested and Rashid answers;
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"Experience," he said.  "Decades of it.  The Sight can help, but. . ."
Rashid hesitated.  I recognized it instantly, the hiccup in one's thoughts when one stumbled
over a truly hideous memory gained with the Sight, like I had with the--- Ugh. ---the naagloshii.

Rashid then goes on to say it is an art not a skill...  Then he says something rather interesting

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Time, or a bit of questionable attention from the Fates and a ridiculously enormous tool."  He tapped a finger against his false eye.

Notice he says, " attention from the Fates and"  He doesn't exactly say he also got his false eye from them, which is implied, but also implied is he got some teaching or other skills from the Fates, not just his eye..  It also implies that normally the Fates do not interfere with free will much like Heaven.