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Title: new tv series in development
Post by: Mathieas on October 08, 2018, 05:13:06 PM
Hopefully, it will be more faithful than the last TV show.
https://deadline.com/2018/10/the-dresden-files-fantasy-novels-optioned-fox21-tv-studios-series-development-1202476632/ (https://deadline.com/2018/10/the-dresden-files-fantasy-novels-optioned-fox21-tv-studios-series-development-1202476632/)
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: Mr. Death on October 08, 2018, 05:17:21 PM
I guess someone's gotta reopen the TV Series section.
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: wardenferry419 on October 08, 2018, 06:27:09 PM
Just saw it on my Google newsfeed.
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: TheRealElliot on October 08, 2018, 11:34:00 PM
Well I ow the first TV series a debt of gratitude, because if it wasn't for that show I would not have been told by a friend that is was nowhere near as good as the books, so he lent me Storm Front and I haven't looked back :)
I do hope the new series is more faithful to the books :)   
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: wardenferry419 on October 09, 2018, 09:30:40 AM
Welcome tot the forums. Anything will be an improvement over the first TV show.
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: Nightfall on October 20, 2018, 03:15:38 AM
Personally, I like that old show, not despite the fact that it did not follow the books, but because of it. If it follows the books too closely, well, I've read the books, been there, done that. If it is sorta Dresden-like, enough so that it can at least be considered Dresden (even if only barely), but has NEW Dresden stories, and is at least a decent series (which I thought it was), then it's something new. Not as good as a whole new Dresden book maybe, but, well, it's something.

It could have been better, but personally I liked the acting, Dresden and Murphy seemed like themselves, even if he was too short (how many actors do you know who can play Dresden AND are almost seven feet tall) and she was a brunette (I thought she was the best part of the show, despite brunette and too tall).

I thought the show had promise despite clashing with the books. I hope the new show is closer to the books, but I do not need to see the books on TV, I have the books already, I want the TV to be NEW stories, but as close to the books as can be despite that. It should also be noted that writing for a book and for a TV show are not the same, example, I think Potter is dry and sparse as books but worked great as movies, and I know some books that are great but would not work as movies (maybe as a TV serial). Do not be surprised if the new TV show is not the books, because the books may not make good TV.

In short, I am hoping for NEW Dresden I have never seen or read before, so long as it IS Dresden.
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: Griffyn612 on October 21, 2018, 08:12:30 PM
I think this is the thing Butcher tweeted about, saying don't believe everything you see on the internet.  I guess we'll see if anything else develops.
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: wardenferry419 on October 25, 2018, 10:13:17 PM
The first thing I would ask for with a TV show is being true to the books. At least, as true as Hollywood could be to source material.
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: KipIngram on October 26, 2018, 12:57:14 PM
I think I'm with Nightfall on this one - I've read the books.  Three times, and four for Storm Front because one of my daughters just started reading it - she said she was in chapter 6, so I opened it up to see where that was, and wound up finishing it.  :-|

But I don't see "copy of the books" and "true to the books" as the same thing - and I think that's what Nightfall's getting at.  We'd like stories that we haven't seen before, but which "click into" the book-verse properly and just add more flavor and depth to the story.  The Dresdenverse is the richest, most intricately crafted fictional verse I've ever encountered - there's a TON of room for new stuff that fits right in.

I can't decide if I'm hoping this is true or false - despite the potential, I see the odds of the industry getting it "right" as slim to none.
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: ITheHellAmFan on October 27, 2018, 12:39:44 AM
I think this is the thing Butcher tweeted about, saying don't believe everything you see on the internet.  I guess we'll see if anything else develops.

At least what I saw was directly from Jim, stating that becasue it was his birthday he was announcing that yes, they are doing a show.  I'll try to find the specific link.

Edit: Nvm, I see now Gryff's comment is a little out of date, confirmation link already posted.
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: KipIngram on October 27, 2018, 10:00:30 PM
Oh, this is confirmed?  Any info whatsoever on cast, timing, etc.?

I'm eager and scared at the same time...  Movie and TV folk don't seem to feel any need whatsoever to "honor" books in any major way.  But I'll cross my fingers and hope for the best.
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: Griffyn612 on October 28, 2018, 08:31:44 PM
At least what I saw was directly from Jim, stating that becasue it was his birthday he was announcing that yes, they are doing a show.  I'll try to find the specific link.

Edit: Nvm, I see now Gryff's comment is a little out of date, confirmation link already posted.
I haven't seen any confirmations.  The only things I've seen was the original post by Deadline at 9am 10/8, and a post by JB on Twitter at 3pm 10/8 saying not to believe everything you read on the internet.

The only other post I see on his Twitter feed since then was about the wedding.  Maybe he confirmed it elsewhere, but I haven't seen it. 
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: Con on October 29, 2018, 09:57:07 AM
Dresden Files Podcast did a short debrief on it. Worth checking out for confirmation, that it's being discussed by the studio.
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: ITheHellAmFan on October 29, 2018, 07:29:30 PM
In that case, I found it, but only as a screenshot I was sent, and I can't post that here.  Effectively a post from Jim saying that since it is his birthday yes, they are doing a show, details as they come.  Trying to find a link.

Edit: Found it, but it was a link to a facebook post, and after digging myself not sure the page is legit.  So not actually confirmed, especially in light of the tweet, which I do no is a legit account.

Edit 2: After more digging, looks like the facebook footprint in questions is all mostly years old, and either not real, or at least defunct.  So basically ignore everything I said in this thread.
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: Eami on October 31, 2018, 01:51:12 AM
The confirmation came from a private facebook group (that I am not a member of) the other day from Jim himself. This Reddit thread has the rundown (https://www.reddit.com/r/dresdenfiles/comments/9rml5m/show_confirmed/). If you read through the thread, Jim (user "jimbutcherauthor") later posted (a number of times) to further confirm.
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: morriswalters on October 31, 2018, 03:05:31 AM
Not on his website, not on his twitter feed,  I think I'll wait til he announces something more directly.
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: Griffyn612 on October 31, 2018, 03:51:50 AM
Yeah, I'll welcome something public if and when it's appropriate.  Until then, I'll just keep hoping.

(At this point, I just want an anime, Darker Than Black-style)
(https://myanimelist.cdn-dena.com/s/common/uploaded_files/1446713597-b2386fb492f2c5303b4f92e03a4d3290.png)
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: wardenferry419 on November 06, 2018, 12:59:46 PM
I think I will wait for the parent to announce the birth before listening to the neighbors.
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: Tami Seven on November 11, 2018, 05:55:53 PM
Fox is the worst place for the series to end up. He should have held out for a more reliable studio.
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: Stiletto on May 25, 2019, 02:10:55 PM
Honestly I had hoped the reason for the delay in PT was cause JB was writing scripts for the tv show. Oh well. :)
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: Independent George on June 18, 2019, 05:25:17 PM
Jim has also regularly said that nothing is official until the check is cleared. Properties are optioned all the time, and go through development and pre-production all the time. I'm not going to get excited until there's an announcement that a showrunner has been hired and scripts are being written.
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: wardenferry419 on June 20, 2019, 12:33:03 AM
Just don't let D&D from GoT get a hold of it.
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: King Shisa on June 22, 2019, 12:51:10 AM
Just don't let D&D from GoT get a hold of it.

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/1oDWKghJp3M9yIOkEg/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: wardenferry419 on June 22, 2019, 01:13:50 AM
Fortunately, D&D already have plans to ruin Star Wars... I mean, more so, than it already is.
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: oopsboom on July 03, 2019, 05:05:14 PM
all this talk about whether or not it should follow the books closely seems to be ignoring the elephant in the room...

if it follows the books closely at all it's going to have the GoT problem.  (assuming its successful) its going to catch up with then pass the books, and then be writing its own story, before he gets the next book after peace talks written.
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: g33k on July 03, 2019, 06:23:25 PM
all this talk about whether or not it should follow the books closely seems to be ignoring the elephant in the room...

if it follows the books closely at all it's going to have the GoT problem.  (assuming its successful) its going to catch up with then pass the books, and then be writing its own story, before he gets the next book after peace talks written.
:o

Maybe; well, no -- not before the next novel.  But will a DF tv-series beat Jim to the end of the DF story, before Jim writes the novels?  Very very possible!

Peace Talks is #16.  We have 5ish more DF novels, then the BAT.  I don't really see a 1-hr episode being adequate for a novel.  I also don't see a whole SEASON for a novel.  Maybe... 3ish novels per season?  Not sure.  Depends in part on whether the showrunner (or whoever's making the call) wants every episode to end on a cliffhanger, how MUCH of the novels they include, etc.  Maybe they'd be willing to fit it into a variable schedule?  This novel gets 3 episodes, that novel gets 5 episodes, etc etc etc...

But the existing DF corpus should be good for enough time for Jim to get out at least 2-3 of the remaining pre-BAT novels.

Before Jim's RL blew up, he was churning out a book a year, basically.  His newest books are getting bigger, presumably it will take him a bit longer to complete them... 15 months each? 

He's alternating now between DF/CS novels.  So, a new DF book every 2.5 years, which makes it 12ish years 'til the BAT.

If he kept up the novel-a-year pace, it'd be 10ish years 'til the BAT.
 
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: segaily on July 04, 2019, 04:58:52 PM
:o

Maybe; well, no -- not before the next novel.  But will a DF tv-series beat Jim to the end of the DF story, before Jim writes the novels?  Very very possible!

Peace Talks is #16.  We have 5ish more DF novels, then the BAT.  I don't really see a 1-hr episode being adequate for a novel.  I also don't see a whole SEASON for a novel.  Maybe... 3ish novels per season?  Not sure.  Depends in part on whether the showrunner (or whoever's making the call) wants every episode to end on a cliffhanger, how MUCH of the novels they include, etc.  Maybe they'd be willing to fit it into a variable schedule?  This novel gets 3 episodes, that novel gets 5 episodes, etc etc etc...

But the existing DF corpus should be good for enough time for Jim to get out at least 2-3 of the remaining pre-BAT novels.

Before Jim's RL blew up, he was churning out a book a year, basically.  His newest books are getting bigger, presumably it will take him a bit longer to complete them... 15 months each? 

He's alternating now between DF/CS novels.  So, a new DF book every 2.5 years, which makes it 12ish years 'til the BAT.

If he kept up the novel-a-year pace, it'd be 10ish years 'til the BAT.

While a show could do multiple novels a season they might also easily stick with just one novel a season.  They would just pad things with monster of the week episodes.  I actually hope they would never do more then 2 novels in a season as I would never want them rushing a novel. At one novel a season it would also take them a long time to catch up to the books. 
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: g33k on July 09, 2019, 08:06:20 PM
While a show could do multiple novels a season they might also easily stick with just one novel a season.  They would just pad things with monster of the week episodes.  I actually hope they would never do more then 2 novels in a season as I would never want them rushing a novel. At one novel a season it would also take them a long time to catch up to the books.
I personally would prefer the novel-per-season format (and while we're at it... let's put in all the shorts and the graphic novels (that aren't adapted-novel stories):  extra buffers before we need to force-feed caffeine to Jim in order to increase his productivity!).

And you're right, of course!  1 novel per season would give Jim ample time to finish the Dresden Files (& likely even the BAT)!

But it needs to fit within the TV-episode format.  AFAIK, that means each episode either needs to end on a cliffhanger or Big Reveal... or it needs to end on some satisfying conclusion-of-arc or other good "resting place."  A TV episode can't just end on any-old-chapter-ending; some work for TV, many don't.

Also, there's quite a bit more content in some novels than others...  If Storm Front can legitimately be a full season, what about Proven Guilty, or Changes, or...
 
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: EBRIEN on August 01, 2019, 02:58:32 AM
I'd love to see a mini series format a la Battle Star Galactica or American Gods or Good Omens or GoT. Give it a real budget and star power. Pipe Dreams, I know, but wouldn't that be best? Better yet: Go with the BBC Sherlock Holmes format of a few episodes per season, but 1.5-2 hours each with an overarching storyline based on the novels. (He is a detective after all)

Cheers and Hooray for Peace Talks!

Brien
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: BobbyWac on November 21, 2019, 04:18:02 AM
I personally would prefer the novel-per-season format (and while we're at it... let's put in all the shorts and the graphic novels (that aren't adapted-novel stories):  extra buffers before we need to force-feed caffeine to Jim in order to increase his productivity!).

And you're right, of course!  1 novel per season would give Jim ample time to finish the Dresden Files (& likely even the BAT)!

But it needs to fit within the TV-episode format.  AFAIK, that means each episode either needs to end on a cliffhanger or Big Reveal... or it needs to end on some satisfying conclusion-of-arc or other good "resting place."  A TV episode can't just end on any-old-chapter-ending; some work for TV, many don't.

Also, there's quite a bit more content in some novels than others...  If Storm Front can legitimately be a full season, what about Proven Guilty, or Changes, or...

I would not prefer that for multiple reasons. 1. there's no chance they would survive a 20 year run and I'd like to see them make the whole series. 2. I don't think that the earlier books could really support an entire season, even the shorter seasons that the streaming services prefer (10 to 13 episodes)

I think Storm Front through Grave Peril would be an ideal season 1. Summer Knight through Blood Rites for season 2. Dead Beat and Proven Guilty for Season 3. White Knight and Small Favor for Season 4 (ending with Morgan knocking on the door asking for help for the season finale). Turn Coat and Changes for Season 5. Ghost Story and Cold Days for Season 6. Skin Game and Peace Talks for Season 7. 2 books a season gets to 20 by the end of season 9 and then it's the end of a series and BAT can be movies. That gives Jim Butcher 9 years to finish the last four series novels and they can do the BAT on whatever schedule they want.
Title: Re: new tv series in development
Post by: morriswalters on November 22, 2019, 01:12:38 AM
I'd love to see it as an anime.  It's suited to Jim's sense of humor.  And Jim's focus on boobs puts him right in there. And Marsters can do the dub.  I get giddy seeing it on my inner theater.  And they can use the hat.  Because you know, they just have to.