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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: Con on April 07, 2018, 05:09:53 AM
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For me it'd be Namshiel from what little we know of him he's a powerful sorceror and could teach Polonius Lartessa.
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depends on what each coin specializes but my first choice would be lashciel.
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I guess Anduriel if you have to have one forever, he'd expend the effort to convince your conscience what you're doing is right.
If you want to get rid of it later, Lasciel sure seems like a nice "experience" :-*
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I'd take a bullet over being a meatsuit thanks.
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Can't argue with that!
Those things are a total loss with no insurance!
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I guess Anduriel if you have to have one forever, he'd expend the effort to convince your conscience what you're doing is right.
If you want to get rid of it later, Lasciel sure seems like a nice "experience" :-*
she is nice experience plus she needs combat capable host instead of her natural form. besides the skills gained from her would sell for lot of bucks.
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Deirdre's coin is tempting. Depends on if the only special part is hair, though. If it could manifest malleable back ribbons like Mister Sinister, and claws like Wolverine, and could still tap hellfire for a magic user (I'm assuming I'd be one) to use cast hand and eye beams of fire, and enhance some kinetic abilities, you could make a serious X-Men crossbreed with that coin.
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Deirdre's coin is tempting.
I see what you did there...
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How about none?
Okay, assuming that I've been cornered by demons, and they've got a nuke they're prepared to detonate over a city which is NOT New York (that city gets too much attention in action fiction) unless I take one, then we can look at actually choosing.
Not Ursiel. Saw what he does to hosts.
Not Magog.
Not Namshiel. Too many thorns. Sounds painful.
Not Lasciel. Tempting, but then, that's the point, right?
Not Anduriel. Survival rate with him would probably be good, but do I really want to hitch myself to the freaking commander of the 30? No thank you.
Not Deirde's coin. If that demon is anything like Deirde, that's a nopefish.
Not Imariel. Also a commander.
I'm thinking Saluriel. He's not too high level in the Order, but doesn't seem like he brutalizes his hosts into submission. Probably more of an offering of power type situation. He has had magical caster hosts before, and could possibly teach some of that.
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The Statue dude that Kincaid blew apart. My wife always wanted me to have chiseled abs, this seems like the most expedient way to get them.
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Not Imariel. Also a commander.
Plus, very possibly Nem-fected. It pretty much has to be one of her, Rosanna's coin, or Namshiel.
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Plus, very possibly Nem-fected. It pretty much has to be one of her, Rosanna's coin, or Namshiel.
Or a combination. My money is on Namshiel, but I could see Imariel also.
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Not Deirde's coin. If that demon is anything like Deirde, that's a nopefish.
Deirdre managed to coexist with her coin for over a thousand years, and retained her mind and sense of self that entire time. Her faults weren't from the coin, but from Nico's influence.
If her demon is that willing to work with a host, then you've got immortality + armor only vulnerable to SotC + possibly hellfire + possibly tensile weapons + whatever you bring to the table magically.
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really we don't have much information about the fallen to make a decision. The only one we have interacted with much is Lash, who isn't even a fallen. We can make some assumptions about the fallen, but maybe Deirdre's Fallen was cooperative because of who the host was and that usually she just overtakes her host.
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(A) Deirdre managed to coexist with her coin for over a thousand years, and retained her mind and sense of self that entire time. Her faults weren't from the coin, but from Nico's influence.
(B) If her demon is that willing to work with a host, then you've got immortality + armor only vulnerable to SotC + possibly hellfire + possibly tensile weapons + whatever you bring to the table magically.
(A) But that coexistence happened because both host and Fallen were compatible. I'd like to think I wouldn't be as nuts as Deirde, making me incompatible with said Coin.
(B) Immortality seems to be a standard side effect of all Coins. Quintus Cassius really showed his age once Saluriel was taken from him, and considering the ages of Nic and Tessa, among others, the trait seems ubiquitous. Ditto Hellfire. If you're a magic user, then you'd have that with any Coin that doesn't steamroll you into a husk. The armor and tensile weapons are unique to her, but I'd be more interested in learning magic.
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Wherein I'm not a horrible person, none. The only way that we've seen so far to not get puppet mastered by the coins is to work with them, and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I don't want to work with a demon who wants to do demon things.
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(A) But that coexistence happened because both host and Fallen were compatible. I'd like to think I wouldn't be as nuts as Deirde, making me incompatible with said Coin.
(B) Immortality seems to be a standard side effect of all Coins. Quintus Cassius really showed his age once Saluriel was taken from him, and considering the ages of Nic and Tessa, among others, the trait seems ubiquitous. Ditto Hellfire. If you're a magic user, then you'd have that with any Coin that doesn't steamroll you into a husk. The armor and tensile weapons are unique to her, but I'd be more interested in learning magic.
(A) Unlike others, I'm assuming I'm going to be a bad guy when taking up a coin. I'm going to do despicable things, to some degree or another. But I'd bargain the shared agenda. For every big evil plot, I get to met out some Griff-style justice to those I deem deserving. Which would presumably add to the fearful chaos that Denarians draw power from.
(B) Immortality, yes. It's just one of the benefits in general, along with hellfire. But I'm not presuming that the other Denarians can bestow magical ability when it doesn't pre-exist. I figure Namshiel prefers hosts with magical ability. So (potentially wrongfully) assuming that, then we already have some magical ability. That means I don't *need* the Denarians to teach me; I just need to learn how. Or I work with one of the Denarians that *can* teach magic. Just talk to Namshiel's host, and in return for some pointers, I'll help him raid a village or something.
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Deirdre's coin is tempting. Depends on if the only special part is hair, though. If it could manifest malleable back ribbons like Mister Sinister, and claws like Wolverine, and could still tap hellfire for a magic user (I'm assuming I'd be one) to use cast hand and eye beams of fire, and enhance some kinetic abilities, you could make a serious X-Men crossbreed with that coin.
That is pretty awesome.
Could you imagine Listen to Wind's shape shifting powers combined with the Coin of the shape shifting Denarian? That would be a pretty scary duo.
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Could you imagine Listen to Wind's shape shifting powers combined with the Coin of the shape shifting Denarian? That would be a pretty scary duo.
I don't think that Denarians shape shift other then their battle forms. My guess is they would be better classified as Were-Angels. They have one form that they can shift in to and that is it. Sure they can teach you a ton about shapeshifting, but if you were using their battle mode you might not be able to shift at all. Also, Were-Angels.
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I don't think that Denarians shape shift other then their battle forms. My guess is they would be better classified as Were-Angels. They have one form that they can shift in to and that is it. Sure they can teach you a ton about shapeshifting, but if you were using their battle mode you might not be able to shift at all. Also, Were-Angels.
Well the one shape shifts into some huge bear mutant thing. LtW could probably amplify the size and abilities with his own shape shifting abilities.
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Well the one shape shifts into some huge bear mutant thing. LtW could probably amplify the size and abilities with his own shape shifting abilities.
Instead of a bear-thing with six legs, LTW could become a bear-thing with SEVEN LEGS!
Hmm. What would Dresden call it? A septopooh?
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Instead of a bear-thing with six legs, LTW could become a bear-thing with SEVEN LEGS!
Hmm. What would Dresden call it? A septopooh?
Well it could also go the opposite way. Instead of LtW amplifying the bear mutant's powers it could be that LtW's shape shifting creatures take on horrifying mutations.
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Well yeah, if you want it to be awesome, sure. Introducing manticores improves most fiction.
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I don't know if it's possible but a vampire/Coin hybrid could be pretty awesome. Red Court or Black Court sporting Deirdre's Coin.
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(A) Unlike others, I'm assuming I'm going to be a bad guy when taking up a coin. I'm going to do despicable things, to some degree or another. But I'd bargain the shared agenda. For every big evil plot, I get to met out some Griff-style justice to those I deem deserving. Which would presumably add to the fearful chaos that Denarians draw power from.
(B) Immortality, yes. It's just one of the benefits in general, along with hellfire. But I'm not presuming that the other Denarians can bestow magical ability when it doesn't pre-exist. I figure Namshiel prefers hosts with magical ability. So (potentially wrongfully) assuming that, then we already have some magical ability. That means I don't *need* the Denarians to teach me; I just need to learn how. Or I work with one of the Denarians that *can* teach magic. Just talk to Namshiel's host, and in return for some pointers, I'll help him raid a village or something.
(A) Fair. That's a different approach than I took.
(B) From what I recall, anyone can use magic in the Dresdenverse, it's just a matter of capacity. Vanilla mortals don't have enough capacity to do anything like a spell, but they can raise circles. Uncertain if angels/fallen could bestow an increase in magical capacity or not, or even if they would to. Interesting thought, though.
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I don't know if it's possible but a vampire/Coin hybrid could be pretty awesome. Red Court or Black Court sporting Deirdre's Coin.
White Court I could definitely see.
Red Court...unknown. Half-turned reds like the Fellowship, Susan, and Martin, I bet could do it.
Black Court, I'm guessing not, though that's pure speculation based on them being dead, and thereby not suitable as vessels with living Wills.
Jade Court - no idea.
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(A) Fair. That's a different approach than I took.
(B) From what I recall, anyone can use magic in the Dresdenverse, it's just a matter of capacity. Vanilla mortals don't have enough capacity to do anything like a spell, but they can raise circles. Uncertain if angels/fallen could bestow an increase in magical capacity or not, or even if they would to. Interesting thought, though.
(B) Soulfire seems to affect all of Harry's magic. Likewise, hellfire should affect all magic, albeit destructively. So a water-caster capable of shapeshifting should be able to use it to transform into other shapes, but perhaps slightly twisted, like groinkick is proposing. And with Deirdre's coin, it'd be a steel monster form.
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really we don't have much information about the fallen to make a decision. The only one we have interacted with much is Lash, who isn't even a fallen. We can make some assumptions about the fallen, but maybe Deirdre's Fallen was cooperative because of who the host was and that usually she just overtakes her host.
I doubt Nic would have chosen a coin for his daughter whose Fallen was categorically unwilling to treat their bearer as a partner and insisted on outright domination.
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White Court I could definitely see.
Red Court...unknown. Half-turned reds like the Fellowship, Susan, and Martin, I bet could do it.
Black Court, I'm guessing not, though that's pure speculation based on them being dead, and thereby not suitable as vessels with living Wills.
Part of the point for the Fallen is to corrupt a mortal soul. So I agree the Black Court are right out.
Half-ramps and wamps are probably also candidates, although I'd guess the Fallen could probably purge the demonic presence if the bearer chose the Fallen over the other influence and the Fallen didn't want to share its proverbial Dixie cup.
Full ramps seem like a grey area. We're not really sure whether the soul entirely leaves the building when they turn (Susan remaining willing to be sacrificed suggests it's not instant). I'd gather the Fallen could probably bond with one in a pinch, but given how far they've already corrupted themselves, a rampire is probably less of a notch in their hellish bests to corrupt than a mortal human.
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I doubt Nic would have chosen a coin for his daughter whose Fallen was categorically unwilling to treat their bearer as a partner and insisted on outright domination.
I was using it as a hypothetical example to explain that we had more interactions with hosts and not with fallen. The We have seen two fallen with different hosts, Ursiel and Magog. For Magog, through Sanya's reporting and by the one that Elder Gruff Killed on DR it seems that he prefers domination. It seemed that Ursiel prefered the same based on the interaction with him in Blood Rites (via Harry's Soul Gaze), but when interacting with the Geno in SG it seemed more interested in a partnership, or was at least unable to dominate the Geno.
Full ramps seem like a grey area. We're not really sure whether the soul entirely leaves the building when they turn (Susan remaining willing to be sacrificed suggests it's not instant). I'd gather the Fallen could probably bond with one in a pinch, but given how far they've already corrupted themselves, a rampire is probably less of a notch in their hellish bests to corrupt than a mortal human.
It may be slipping my mind, but I have not read the bigfoot shorts, but what exactly is the Geno, is he a fae, mytical creature or what? Cause he took a coin.
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I haven't either, but I don't think Harry was familiar with that particular subspecies of bigfoot until meeting the Genoskwa, but I think in general bigfoots are of this world rather than a nevernever species that visits from time to time. The comparison of bigfoots and ramps occurred to me too, but I don't know quite what to make of it. Absent any contradictory WOJ I'd tend to put the Genoskwa under the same category of "less evilly satisfying than corrupting a human" albeit compatible.
Ursiel's interest there was probably that a superior tank build was more important at the time than the satisfaction of corrupting and enslaving a mortal.
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Ursiel's interest there was probably that a superior tank build was more important at the time than the satisfaction of corrupting and enslaving a mortal.
This is my point. Ursiel seems a bit more willing to work with people, or is he just in this once case. We don't really know enough about all of the Denarians to make any kid of decision.
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Ursiel seems a bit more willing to work with people, or is he just in this once case. We don't really know enough about all of the Denarians to make any kid of decision.
Unconfirmed, but I'd lean towards assuming it varies somewhat based on the host's personality. If the Fallen who normally prefer domination run into a host who matches their particular flavour of cruelty pretty closely, it's not like the Fallen can really force them into doing something they're 100% down for anyway. Like that Supernatural episode with the nutjob killer who'd been exorcised of a demon but really liked being a host and wanted it back.
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Since Deirdre isn’t using hers anymore, I’d take hers. Hair blades sound lovely. Plus, I’d be like Nic’s adopted daughter and we could have all sorts of picnics and other fun stuff like he did with Deirde.
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Since Deirdre isn’t using hers anymore, I’d take hers. Hair blades sound lovely. Plus, I’d be like Nic’s adopted daughter and we could have all sorts of picnics and other fun stuff like he did with Deirde.
Remember that he also required her to sacrifice her life for his goals....
I would definitely rule out Magog and Ursiel. I would rather not be dominated. If I went bad and took up a coin I would go with Lash or Anduriel.
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I want to change my vote. Immuriel. Praying Mantis and bug-related superpowers could be totally broken if used to its greatest effect.
(Unless there's one that can turn me into an owlbear. I've always wanted to be an owlbear.)
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I want to change my vote. Immuriel. Praying Mantis and bug-related superpowers could be totally broken if used to its greatest effect.
(Unless there's one that can turn me into an owlbear. I've always wanted to be an owlbear.)
I think if an Owlbear Denarian was mentioned to Jim during a Q&A or convention he would assign it to one of the Denarians he has written down, but not shown yet. He does love gaming after all.
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I'm waiting for the Kaiju book to include Mindflayer servants.